drift?

[shirazi89]

are 318ti's good for drifting? just wondering...

[Variance]

Oh god, and it begins....

To be nice, though, I'll answer your question. Pretty much, no. Most ti's did not come with LSD, which makes it fairly hard to get sideways, especially considering our relative lack of power.

BTW, FnF ftl.

[stormos]

i had always planned to get an s13 project car. Now this shiat film is going to rocket the prices :(

especially when the kids stack them....

[lkwd318ti]

i had always planned to get an s13 project car. Now this shiat film is going to rocket the prices :(

especially when the kids stack them....

+1...
Me too, I've always wanted an RPS13 (fast back 240sx), but now...I don't think I want one anymore...

-Randy

[REDIS]

yes a s13/240 is easy to make fast and looks awesome but they are IMO way played out. a bimmer, especially a ti, is a needle in a haystack compared to a nissan in the tuner world. Dare to be different.

[AlaskaBlue]

I think a ti would be fine to drift if you don't have an open diff. The short wheel base would make it harder to control. Who drifts a stock car though? You can fix whatever you don't like.

Personally I think judged 'races' kind of takes the point away, but it looks like it would be kind of fun.

EDIT: I misspelled http://wingedwarrior.net/forum/Smileys/classic/nutkick.gif

[stormos]

yes a s13/240 is easy to make fast and looks awesome but they are IMO way played out. a bimmer, especially a ti, is a needle in a haystack compared to a nissan in the tuner world. Dare to be different.

well played out?

they are fast becoming VERY rare. They are MUCH harder to get here compared to ti's which are 2 a penny (common).

besides, they are far more fun to drive, i can vouch for this :biggrin:

[Variance]

stormos, not sure how it is over on your side of the pond, but over here I see atleast 5 a day.

[kickass95318ti]

I saw three where i live!! all stock

[3DGE]

IF we are talking about seeing other ti's, if I am lucky I will see one every two weeks.

[snuggz]

Ha, even before this abomination of a "film" was released, 240 is the new civic in my opinion.

The day I finished my swap, I got my Ti sideways quite a bit... but would I call it drifting? Hell no....

[andyman7931]

the best bmw to get sideways... my 88 735i :-) limited slip diff, heavy car, long wheelbase... I could kick the back end out, do whatever I want totally under control.

[REDIS]

well played out?

they are fast becoming VERY rare. They are MUCH harder to get here compared to ti's which are 2 a penny (common).

besides, they are far more fun to drive, i can vouch for this :biggrin:

well, here in the US there is probably a ratio around s13/240=70% TI=30%

like 3DGE said, I'm lucky if I see a ti every 2 weeks.

[mohaughn]

LSD was an option on ti's. Mine came from the factory with a stock lsd. I have to look up that thread with the number definitions to see exactly what kind it is. Definitely needs more power. But most drifting cars are definitely not stock. You would be hard pressed to get a 240 sideways without doing something to it. I like the older japanese version fairlady z's.

BTW.. I see another Ti everyday. One of my neighbors has one. Of course I also see several 240's, 300's, and 350's everyday. Even a right hand drive silvia.

[nusstroy]

I think a ti would be fine to drift if you don't have an open diff. The short wheel base would make it harder to control. Who drifts a stock car though? You can fix whatever you don't like.

Personally I think judged 'races' kind of takes the point away, but it looks like it would be kind of fun.

EDIT: I misspelled http://wingedwarrior.net/forum/Smileys/classic/nutkick.gif




:drunk: :rockon: :rockon:

I went drifting in a STOCK M5 today. We got fully horizontal for a second on a 2 way street too, fun :-)

heh hahaa!

[nusstroy]

LSD was an option on ti's. Mine came from the factory with a stock lsd. I have to look up that thread with the number definitions to see exactly what kind it is. Definitely needs more power. But most drifting cars are definitely not stock. You would be hard pressed to get a 240 sideways without doing something to it. I like the older japanese version fairlady z's.

BTW.. I see another Ti everyday. One of my neighbors has one. Of course I also see several 240's, 300's, and 350's everyday. Even a right hand drive silvia.


I see a Ti about once a week, but i see bimmers EVERYWHERE (espec. 3 series), and i see alot of ///M3's and 5's here too, bunch a rich peoples

[snuggz]

So I was bumbling around google video and found this... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4517564644010267859&q=drift)

Alot of nice bimmers and even a Ti comes out to burn some...

[aceyx]

Was there a ti in the film . . . er, really really really long commercial?

[nusstroy]

hmmm Ti drift?
http://i6.tinypic.com/14y1fuq.jpg

[nusstroy]

Was there a ti in the film . . . er, really really really long commercial?


LOL, it like 5 minutes in

[KetteringTi]

Who in their right mind tries to drift a PORSCHE GT3 RS????? :eek:

Drifting is so many levels beneath that car...

[shirazi89]

i see around 20 m3s a day and 2-3 ti's a day..i live in la so theres alot of everything

[midwestTI]

the ti is absolutely wonderful for drifting, even with the 'low power' production of the m42/44. i've got an m3 lightweight flywheel/clutch, with debaffled airbox, and the power produced with this and tokico shocks/ h&r sport springs/ and m3 x-brace is amazing for inducing and sustaining a power slide. the nearly 50/50 weight distribution makes it almost light switch easy to induce under or oversteer; and the steering ration makes it exceptionally easy to control what you're looking for.

i.e. - drift to your heart's content with the ti, it's one of the most forgiving platforms to explore on.

[midwestTI]

yeah, i spelled 'ratio' wrong, my apologies to the site english majors/spell-checkers

[shirazi89]

hmm looks like i g2 invest in my dads ti

[stormos]

just for the record the 240sx engines that the americna market had were ****. The same cars here came with a CA18DET for the s13 200sx and the s14 200sx came with the SR20DET.

For some reason performance cars are STILL watered down for the american market. At least they sell the Evo!!

[aceyx]

For some reason performance cars are STILL watered down for the american market.
Two reasons:
1. emissions
2. stupidity (insurance)

Yet, you can drive a v8 SUV but not a 2-stroke motorcycle.
Also, you can walk into a motorcycle dealership and buy a Hayabusa as a first bike and ride away.

[SDKmann]

+1 on the stupidity (insurance). My insurance company is pretty strict and has a extremely long list of cars they wont insure if the driver is under 18. You can be insured on a V6 accord but not a Mitsu 3000GT even though the honda is faster.

[BmWwHiPPin]

+1 on the stupidity (insurance). My insurance company is pretty strict and has a extremely long list of cars they wont insure if the driver is under 18. You can be insured on a V6 accord but not a Mitsu 3000GT even though the honda is faster.

but the v6 accord is ony made in an automatic, and i think would be less of a hazard in my oppinon i believe i would make a 3000 gt alot faster then an accord and the 3000 is turboed i believe

[kelso]

i owned an s13 for about 2 years. the ti is a much better car, all around.

my m42 is chipped but with the right driving, the back end will swing out with no problem. and yet i can push it through corners as hard as i want without oversteering as well.... its just how you drive. i came into a corner really fast(on purpose of course....kind of showing off :rolleyes: ) and understeered so i let off for a second then punched it and the back end came out nice.... but then swung around a bit far and i almost spun but eventually i got it straight. corner was a bit wet so i didnt expect that much of a drift really. im not necessarily into drifting but its fun occasionally...

[flex_318]

I only drift for pinks :lol:

[mischief]

Who in their right mind tries to drift a PORSCHE GT3 RS????? :eek:

Drifting is so many levels beneath that car...


if your the famous drift king you can drift in just about any car

[andyman7931]

but the v6 accord is ony made in an automatic, and i think would be less of a hazard in my oppinon i believe i would make a 3000 gt alot faster then an accord and the 3000 is turboed i believe

most 3000's aren't turbo... infact the non turbo ones may be slower than our cars :eek:

[snuggz]

most 3000's aren't turbo... infact the non turbo ones may be slower than our cars :eek:

True. Most 3000GTs are the SL, which is a bloated, 3300lb FWD _full frame car_ with the Galant V6... really quite slow and boaring to drive too.

The TT VR4s are pretty sick though; my roomate used to have one and it ran low 13s all day with just a few bolt-ons...

[andyman7931]

a friend had a tt dodge stealth (same as the 3000gt vr4) and with a boost controller and NOS that thing was the 2nd fastest car I ever rode in. the AWD was key to the acceleration as opposed to boiling the tires :-)

[ALASKANti]

I was wondering if it was possible to make the wheels spin on 318 TI. My buddy told me that if I push down the accelerator to high RPMs and the brake, I would be able to burnout once I let go of the brake. Is this possible? Does anyone else have a better suggestion if there is one? Thanks.

[Panzer_M]

Oh god, and it begins....

To be nice, though, I'll answer your question. Pretty much, no. Most ti's did not come with LSD, which makes it fairly hard to get sideways, especially considering our relative lack of power,
BTW, FnF ftl.

Like I told Dusten.

The Japs deserved the bombs for the future crimes of bringing drifting as a motorsport Fad and FWD performance cars, like Celicas Ooo!, Civics! OOoooooo VTEC and Sentra Spec Vs...I don't even know least it come with a manual..knock out a bunch of drivers who can drive stick. While decent cars like Supra, 240s, RX7 and Miata and other decent platforms get ignored, but we do get the Scion and Honda Beat...sorry rant.



Drifting is essence is just a basic of driving(You see it in road rallies and WRC), D1 and the Jap-craze is show-off BULLSHEIT. Burning tires and making smoke. Sure it's a skill...but so is the ability to make Lambo doors and Spaceship body kits, IMO just something to the kids to jack off with their learner's permits on.

[Panzer_M]

I was wondering if it was possible to make the wheels spin on 318 TI. My buddy told me that if I push down the accelerator to high RPMs and the brake, I would be able to burnout once I let go of the brake. Is this possible? Does anyone else have a better suggestion if there is one? Thanks.


Don't make a ass of yourself.

Take the car on the backroads or track and learn what it was BUILT for.
Use the car don't abuse it.

[tonyyy]

I was wondering if it was possible to make the wheels spin on 318 TI. My buddy told me that if I push down the accelerator to high RPMs and the brake, I would be able to burnout once I let go of the brake. Is this possible? Does anyone else have a better suggestion if there is one? Thanks.

are you talking about a standing burnout ? or just a sort of "take-off burnout" ?

for a doing it taking it off, you would just start off stopped. put it in first gear, hold the clutch down, then rev up the motor to a high RPM, then let off the clutch fast. voila.
putting your rear wheels on a wet surface always makes it a little bit easier/better.

but be careful man.

[tonyyy]

Whatever you do, DON'T go out and try to be "Drift King" all over your public roads. you WILL mess something up sooner or later.

[HuGo]

Well when ive raced cars at a launching race, i rev ti up to 3k-3,500k RPMS. Let off the clutch then gas, not GAS IT DOWN, but gas to go foward. Usually the tires would spin twice then i take off. When ive done it, ive taken off quick. But if you drop the clutch and gas it down, your gonna stay there and spin extra and not get the power/take off launch, so the other car will take off first. So make sure you drop the clutch and right when its fully off, give it some gas and youll launch out without stayin in the same place.

[m3outtanowhere]

Whatever you do, DON'T go out and try to be "Drift King" all over your public roads. you WILL mess something up sooner or later.
sooner +1

[AlaskaBlue]

Like I told Dusten.

The Japs deserved the bombs for the future crimes of bringing drifting as a motorsport Fad and FWD performance cars, like Celicas Ooo!, Civics! OOoooooo VTEC and Sentra Spec Vs



I don't really see what is wrong with a FWD performance car. Sure the weight transfer doesn't help the rear wheels grab traction but come on. A fine example would be the Mini's both old a new. They are fantasatic cars period.

I would gladly autocross a Mini in GS (and probably will soon). Even the Ford Focus SVT is a good performance car. Neon SRT-4s are also good cars and FWD. Just go to some grass root type motorsport car event and you will see real enthusiasts own these cars. They go out and race them in sanctioned events on the weekends. Not some group of ricers (with some exception).

Also, I decided to make up my own mind about drifting. It takes a huuuge amount of car control to do what GOOD drifters do. I think is kind of lame that the drift 'race' and all that, but you can't deny that they are good drivers. I would try it at a race track if I just had money to blow, but I don't so I won't. It would help my car control tremendously.

Instead i'll just go race some spec TaG 125cc karts and learn how to really drive.

[stormos]

Like I told Dusten.

The Japs deserved the bombs for the future crimes of bringing drifting as a motorsport Fad and FWD performance cars, like Celicas Ooo!, Civics! OOoooooo VTEC and Sentra Spec Vs...I don't even know least it come with a manual..knock out a bunch of drivers who can drive stick. While decent cars like Supra, 240s, RX7 and Miata and other decent platforms get ignored, but we do get the Scion and Honda Beat...sorry rant.



Drifting is essence is just a basic of driving(You see it in road rallies and WRC), D1 and the Jap-craze is show-off BULLSHEIT. Burning tires and making smoke. Sure it's a skill...but so is the ability to make Lambo doors and Spaceship body kits, IMO just something to the kids to jack off with their learner's permits on.

got to say i totally disagree, but can't be assed to type a descent reason... YET

[pdxmotorhead]

Rally = Racing
Autocross = Racing
Drag"racing"
Road"racing"
Stock Car "Racing"

Drifting = Syncronised swimming for cars :icon_poke
Bonus = lots of new tires get sold so my race tires get cheaper.

:)
Cheers
Dave

[kickass95318ti]

Like I told Dusten.

The Japs deserved the bombs for the future crimes of bringing drifting as a motorsport Fad and FWD performance cars, like Celicas Ooo!, Civics! OOoooooo VTEC and Sentra Spec Vs...I don't even know least it come with a manual..knock out a bunch of drivers who can drive stick. While decent cars like Supra, 240s, RX7 and Miata and other decent platforms get ignored, but we do get the Scion and Honda Beat...sorry rant.



Drifting is essence is just a basic of driving(You see it in road rallies and WRC), D1 and the Jap-craze is show-off BULLSHEIT. Burning tires and making smoke. Sure it's a skill...but so is the ability to make Lambo doors and Spaceship body kits, IMO just something to the kids to jack off with their learner's permits on.

+1 panzer and -1 drifting to the japs isn't a sport its a hobby and the guys my age that drive the civics, celicas, vtecs, and sentras i guess want to bring the sport over here so it can grow and maybe become big like drag racing did when it got started.

stormos u have a reason??

[wirelessalpha]

Hi guys - just wanted to add my 2 cents here...thought the thread was a bit interesting: (note I am not purposely trying to be dick or saint...just me being me).

FIRST - DEFINITIONS:
1. Drifting that you see in competition events is based on a number of factors: Style, control (how close to wall for example), favoritism (it happens)...etc. In essence, these pro drifters come out to show just how gnarly one can get in a capable car.

2. Drifting - is in itself, a set of cobbled techniques used to command a corner/apex. The way a drift can occur is based on numerous sub-techniques (e-brake, feinting, clutchkicking, or a combination). Within the art of learning how to "drift" its often that a racer will inherently pick up other tips:

a. Learning how to read/feel tread wear
b. What is a "line" and how to determine the best line
c. What techniques are needed to assess the best line for an apex
d. much much more...

3. Touge racing - which is often confused with "drifting" is a style of racing that might/might not employ drifting techniques as part of a racers arsenal. Depending on the landscape, car setup, preference of a driver...etc...a simple apex might be taken via a grip style or drift style.

MY COMMENTS NOW
1. Drifting is not new to the US. Our crew at Club Loose has been doing it since the early 90's. It's just new to the commercial market - which is a GOOD thing b/c it brings prices down for us.

2. Drifting is not new to the US at all. Old skool muscle heads have been doing this **** since day one - only they just didn't call it drifting.

3. "Drifting = Syncronised swimming for cars"
Are you referring to tandem drifting? If so...I stil don't get what you mean by this. In tandem (whether its for a drift contest or touge race) - there is a point for a car to get this close to another. So that he/she could overtake with a pass and/or intimidate the other driver into making a mistake.

Or did you mean this comment as a flat out diss?

4. "The Japs deserved the bombs for the future crimes of bringing drifting as a motorsport Fad and FWD performance cars, like Celicas Ooo!, Civics! OOoooooo VTEC and Sentra Spec Vs..."

a. Like I mentioned before, drifting has been here for a while - just under the radar. You can blame the American machine that is called politics/greed/hollywood for bringing drifting to the limelight. It's all about the dollars - you know that right?

b. Celicas - Ever hear of the Celica All-trac? Any real celica enthusiast would tell you that this is the one beast not to **** with.

c. Civics - the civic is arguable 99% percent the reason we have a huge market today in regards to tuner parts, tuner magazines, tuner cars...etc. In fact, one can even argue that other manufacturers pump out more and more tuning specific products for this market (your m-sport bumper for example) b/c of the success the Civic has brought. Granted it is true that many (and I mean many) a fellow honda-nut has gone the ubergay route in regards to modifying his civic - but there does exist fine examples that roam this land (I used to own a few). Please don't **** on a car that can run circles around a 318ti with only a total ownership cost of 5k (b16 turbo w/nos).

5. "While decent cars like Supra, 240s, RX7 and Miata and other decent platforms get ignored, but we do get the Scion and Honda Beat...sorry rant."

You can't blame the manufacturer for this...its really the fault of the US Market and peoples general view toward cars in the states. It's a different viewpoint here....when you grow up, you learn that cars are supposed to be status symbol (one side of the spectrum) or a tool to go from point AtoB (other side of spectrum). This lopsided view has mostly been the case...which is why people like us are called "enthusiasts" rather than normal.

Take for example my current case I have with my inlaws:

a) Chi, why do you drop so much money on junk cars? Why not just by 1 nice car? For that price, you could have gotten something new...dummy" - MyInlaws

What these people fail to realize is the following:

a) I have a love for cars - and specific models/years. I could care less about "new". As long as it's new to ME.

b) I know what I am doing (half the time...): If something breaks or is bound to break, I am typically aware of it from the getgo. Hence, my "total cost of ownership" might be lower - due the fact that I already have experience with this new,used car - or at least I am already well informed/prepared than compared to buying something new off the lot.

c) I DONT GIVE A **** ABOUT CARS AS A STATUS SYMBOL

d) I like to drive (as do all of you - applause). I know what its like to "drive" a car. I dunno what else I need to say than that, as you all should understand what I mean by that.

e) I am a firm believer in "potential". Every car I buy has to have it, regardless if I choose to do something to it (tuning).
d) My used car is reliable or JUST AS reliable when I am done with it - compared to a new car. Hence, that throws out the argument for that when the concept of warranty vs used comes up.

f) My favorite reason: Why buy 1 new car when I can have many used? lol. These are the cars I wanted when I grew up. That love hasn't changed - so why should I change it for the world? Why? b/c I wear a shirt/tie to work every day? B/c my friends drive new "hot" rides? f_u_c_k that.


6) "Drifting is essence is just a basic of driving (You see it in road rallies and WRC), D1 and the Jap-craze is show-off BULLSHEIT. Burning tires and making smoke. Sure it's a skill...but so is the ability to make Lambo doors and Spaceship body kits, IMO just something to the kids to jack off with their learner's permits on."

a) In my experience (limited - as I am still perfecting certain techniques of drifting), none of this **** is BASIC nor EASY. Again, refer to my earlier definition comments.

Final Notes:

1. I bought my ti purely b/c of potential/useability. It's light for a BMW, it is rwd, and its a hatch. With an LSD - this car will drift nice (hopefully). It certainly has the potential and with the proper suspension - it would be a nice alternative to the US drift scene. Also, I am quite fond of the e36 style.

2. I hear the opposite is common in the UK (someone also mentioned it earlier). BMW's are drift common, while s13/s14/s15's are not. Also, I don't see this as odd at all...why not, BMW's have been RWD and properly setup for a number of years now...I bet it wasn't called drifting then either...but that doesn't change what the necessary steps are to learn how to handle an apex.

3. Their is nothing wrong with FWD performance. Each (FF, FR, AWD) has it's own strengths/weaknesses. Try pulling hard on a FWD car during a rolling start - you will need more power to overtake a FWD car (if you drive a RWD or AWD) with similar hp/torque stats. That said..I've never been a friend of understeer...but hey, that comes with fwd...

Personally, I am amazed at the types of leaps people are making at FWD drag technology (Think Chris Rado and World Racing or Steph Papa Doc - who is now a drifter).

Yawn...ok...now the chi-man gonna go to bed. Gnite guys...hope I didn't offend anyone...and if I did, it was not intentional.

- Chi Park

[wirelessalpha]

more rants:

"+1 panzer and -1 drifting to the japs isn't a sport its a hobby and the guys my age that drive the civics, celicas, vtecs, and sentras i guess want to bring the sport over here so it can grow and maybe become big like drag racing did when it got started."

1. If Drifting is not a sport (which it is), then why did you refer to it as such? "...guess want to bring the sport over here so it can grow..." ???????

2. "...and the guys my age that drive the civics, celicas, vtecs, and sentras i guess.."

You hit the nail here when you said "Guess" which was the only term I think made sense. None of the cars you mentioned are even considered drift capable. Of course, they can participate via "e-brake" drifting, but that's a totally different dynamic for FWD cars (those cars are all FWD). It's not nearly the same thing with a RWD drive - and I'm not gonna go into it here.

3. I didn't know "vtec" was a model name of a car. Who makes that? link me please.

[HuGo]

yes, i want to know more about the vtec model name cars?

[cosmos schwarz]

318ti's can drift if: you put an lsd on
and add an m3 steering rack (3 turns lock to lock)

[wirelessalpha]

yes, i want to know more about the vtec model name cars?

yeah seriously - please do tell. b/c last time I checked, VTEC is a variable valve timing system - not the name of a model car. The "civic" you mentioned earlier can come equipped with such - b16, b18, certain K series...etc.

Next time you make a half ass comment:

("isn't a sport its a hobby and the guys my age that drive the civics, celicas, vtecs, and sentras i guess want to bring the sport over here so it can grow and maybe become big like drag racing did when it got started.")

please try to do your research or review what you have written before posting. Why in the world would "anyone your age" that drives the cars you mentioned...would want drifting here...I don't know. B/c plain and simple: FF is gay for drifting.

- Chi

[HuGo]

yeah seriously - please do tell. b/c last time I checked, VTEC is a variable valve timing system - not the name of a model car. The "civic" you mentioned earlier can come equipped with such - b16, b18, certain K series...etc.

Next time you make a half ass comment:

("isn't a sport its a hobby and the guys my age that drive the civics, celicas, vtecs, and sentras i guess want to bring the sport over here so it can grow and maybe become big like drag racing did when it got started.")

please try to do your research or review what you have written before posting. Why in the world would "anyone your age" that drives the cars you mentioned...would want drifting here...I don't know. B/c plain and simple: FF is gay for drifting.

- Chi

LMAO! I'm starting to like this guy...:icon_poke

[DustenT]

yeah seriously - please do tell. b/c last time I checked, VTEC is a variable valve timing system - not the name of a model car. The "civic" you mentioned earlier can come equipped with such - b16, b18, certain K series...etc.

- Chi

I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum knows what VTEC is. Have you ever seen a Civic with MASSIVE Vtec stickers on it? That's what was being referred to here, a tiny bit of sarcasm.

I thought all the K series motors had i-Vtech?

[pnosker]

In case anyone's wondering (mostly directed at the guy who claims in his profile to own a 1998 Diablo), Google (http://www.google.com/) is a very good resource for finding out acronyms and general information. Wikipedia is also good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/). Please try those out when "wanting to know more about the vtec model name cars." No offense, it's just that people seem to be getting dumber and dumber as time goes on.

[mohaughn]

Lambo??? I thought it was a GT3..

http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?p=91673#post91673

[roadrash]

Lambo??? I thought it was a GT3..
The actual make/model of the car is largely irrelevant because ultimately, it's just a juvenile attempt to get attention.

[HuGo]

No offense, it's just that people seem to be getting dumber and dumber as time goes on.

This coming from the master of dumber.

[HuGo]

Lambo??? I thought it was a GT3..

http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?p=91673#post91673

Lambo is what i put when i first made this account, like what a year ago. (which eventually i will have one day)

Hasnt been to long since i got the GT3 but there no reason for me to put it in the profile is there? Who reads it anyway?

[pnosker]

1996BMW318ti, either use your supercar to drift, or sell it and get many junkers you can train on. Or you could use the >$100,000 and invest it towards your future so you are financially stable once you get out of college. Or simply take a picture of you next to it so you can stop embarrassing yourself with dumb questions about VTEC and such. That way we'd at least know that you're not simply the attention craver that you appear to be sometimes.

Personally, what sets me off, is not that you ask questions... but the fact that almost all of the questions you ask are found on the first result page of a google search, and the ones that aren't there are promptly answered by members (rspeed check valve) but ignored.

[HuGo]

uuummm yea ummm i never said anything or mentioned about Vtec?! (meaning, i didnt first bring it up). What i did do was, be SARCASTIC along with wireless about a vtec model car.

[wirelessalpha]

1996bmw is right - I believe he was just goating KickASS on, like I was. Although - 1996bmw, we can talk about the whole "lambo/gt3" deal later...lol.

The real targets (just to be clear) are Panzar and KickAss.

However, that said - before this thread gets out of hand, please note that I ranted myself b/c I just happened to be in one of those moods. Please don't use this thread and my comments as a way of profiling me - as usually I keep an ear open and my mouth shut.....

That said - I'm not going to apologize for my statements - but I do apologize (sincerely) if I hurt anyone's feelings ("feeeeeeelings....nothing more than...FEEEELINGS!!!).

- Chi Dawg

[1996 328ti]

Let's keep this as a discussion.

[roadrash]

Please don't use this thread and my comments as a way of profiling me
Oh, it's far, far too late for that. mua-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaa ;-)

("feeeeeeelings....nothing more than...FEEEELINGS!!!).

ARRRRRRRRRGH!!!! [putting my hands over my ears] Now look... you just STOP that right NOW!! LOL

JMJ

[wirelessalpha]

ha - I'm inviting you the next time I karaoke, buddy!

[roadrash]

ha - I'm inviting you the next time I karaoke, buddy!
Karaoke??? LOL... you have no idea who you're messin' with. While I haven't done karaoke in a while, I've done some singing over the years... including 3 operas. :biggrin: But, yeah... this is way off topic now.