TI front & rear Sway bars [Archive]

ranster

10-17-2006, 06:33 PM

How stiff do you need them? Are you tracking the car? The m-tec (sport) sways are still REALLY soft for track use. I swapped them in and I need to get some stiffer ones now that I'm running r-compound tires.

as stiff as possible :)
i'm not racing the car, but handling is at 1st priority.

my current setup:
M43B16
Bilstein B8 with 30mm eibach lowering springs.
225/45R17 Falken Azenis sport RT-215

I'm thinking of going with the front M-tech sway (26mm) and rear MZ3 (19mm) - what do you think? anyone experienced this setup?

till now, my search for an aftermarket sway bars kit ended without luck :(

All the best,
Ran

DustenT

10-17-2006, 06:44 PM

as stiff as possible :)
i'm not racing the car, but handling is at 1st priority.

my current setup:
M43B18 engine with garrett GT25RS turbocharged@11psi
Bilstein B8 with 30mm eibach lowering springs.
225/45R17 Falken Azenis sport RT-215

I'm thinking of going with the front M-tech sway (26mm) and rear MZ3 (19mm) - what do you think? anyone experienced this setup?

till now, my search for an aftermarket sway bars kit ended without luck :(

All the best,
Ran

Check Turner Motorsports for HR sway bars.

L8 - I don't have urethane bushings, I have stock rubber ones. Those urethane bushings on your bars are after market.

ranster

10-17-2006, 06:59 PM

Check Turner Motorsports for HR sway bars.

checked. they dont have them on stock.
Does a front sway bar from a normal e36 fit a TI?
i
f so, i can buy a front E36 H&R sway (28mm) and put the MZ3 on the rear (19mm)
sounds like a nice setup.

bullmand

10-17-2006, 07:26 PM

See my post in this thread.

http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?p=92334

pnosker

10-17-2006, 08:29 PM

M43? Is that the european TI motor? I thought that was out around 1993 or something.

ranster

10-18-2006, 08:26 AM

M43? Is that the european TI motor? I thought that was out around 1993 or something.

It sure is the european TI motor - known as bmw "compact"
introduced at 1991 in 2 variation.
M43B16 - 1.6cc 102HP
M43B18 - 1.8cc 115HP - was also used in the euro specs Z3 1.8
all of the M43 engines are 8 valves. they have lower compression ratio than the 1.8 16v engine - therefore they are much more suitable for a turbo project.

there is another M43 engine known as M43B19 which was introduced in 1999 and was used in the E46/E46 compact.

e36 323ti

10-18-2006, 01:14 PM

Got any recommendation for a proper setup?
trying to get a set from H&R and Eibach with no luck - it is out of stock.

out of desperation i'm Thinking of going with the Ti Mtech sway bars.

will z3 sway bars fit?

Thanks!
Ran

Have you considered AC-Schnitzer? My 323ti was originally delivered with the M-tech setup. I found the M-Tech setup too soft, and swapped it with AC-Schnitzer adjustable sway bars togehtehr with H&R sport springs and Bilstein shocks. I am very pleased with this setup.

Viper3812

10-18-2006, 03:10 PM

Try the racing dynamics sway bars.

ranster

11-08-2006, 07:40 PM

Finaly went with H&R. (found one kit in Germany)
I picked it up from the postoffice This morning.
Front - 28
Rear - 19
comes with a VERY well constructed black poly bushing.

Installation gonna take place this weekend
i'll post my impression as soon as i'll have one :)

Ran

pdxmotorhead

11-09-2006, 12:07 AM

Post the part numbers too!

I'm shopping for my next project...

Dave

ranster

11-09-2006, 02:50 AM

the kit part# is 33973-1

http://cgi.ebay.de/H-R-Sport-Stabilisator-Set-BMW-3er-E36-Compact-NEU_W0QQitemZ120044261065QQihZ002QQcategoryZ61882QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

ranster

11-15-2006, 12:11 PM

Some Pix from the installation.
the car handling is more than amazing! :smile:

http://images19.fotki.com/v33/photos/5/558697/4275111/ResizeofCIMG0259-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v358/photos/5/558697/4275111/ResizeofCIMG0264-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v358/photos/5/558697/4275111/ResizeofCIMG0267-vi.jpg

http://images20.fotki.com/v357/photos/5/558697/4275111/ResizeofCIMG0271-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v27/photos/5/558697/4275111/ResizeofCIMG0282-vi.jpg

ranster

11-15-2006, 12:13 PM

http://images20.fotki.com/v355/photos/5/558697/4275111/ResizeofCIMG0285-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v27/photos/5/558697/4275362/ResizeofCRW_0185-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v354/photos/5/558697/4275362/ResizeofCRW_0169-vi.jpg

http://images20.fotki.com/v357/photos/5/558697/4275362/ResizeofCRW_0180-vi.jpg

mohaughn

11-15-2006, 04:39 PM

DustenT

11-15-2006, 04:42 PM

I've noticed that a lot of people refer to the 26mm front/16mm rear sway bar setup as the m-tech setup. But according to UUC those sway bars also came on the active model cars. I'm not sure how accurate that is as they have had errors on their webpage before, but something to consider.

If somebody can let me know if that measurement is the circumference of the bar I can go measure mine and report back. I'm assuming it is.

Sports are 26mm diameter front and 16mm rear. These are the same for all year SPORT package (and club sport) 318ti and a nice upgrade to the Base and Active 318ti (25mm and 14mm F/R respectively). That's approximately a +15% front and +40% rear increase in stiffness over stock base/active cars for a nice reduction in body roll and improvement in handling.

L84THSKY

11-15-2006, 04:47 PM

When I installed M-tech sway bars in my car, I lined them up side by side prior to installing. Very hard to see the difference in diameter, but then again, 2mm isn't very large to the naked eye.

Since Active models did not have any upgraded suspension work, they would have stock diameters.

http://www.geocities.com/l84thsky/sways.JPG

If somebody can let me know if that measurement is the circumference of the bar I can go measure mine and report back. I'm assuming it is.

mohaughn

11-15-2006, 05:25 PM

I thought their info didn't seem right. If you go to their webpage and then click on project cars. Then go to the 332Ti page. I think you have to click on Continue Tour at the bottom, then you can select the Suspension page. It basically details what they did to the suspension. They have a chart of the 1995 Ti and M3 sway bars. It says active has the larger bars, they must have meant sport instead of active.

bucksworld

12-02-2006, 01:06 AM

Den

01-15-2007, 05:12 PM

Sports are 26mm diameter front and 16mm rear. These are the same for all year SPORT package (and club sport) 318ti and a nice upgrade to the Base and Active 318ti (25mm and 14mm F/R respectively). That's approximately a +15% front and +40% rear increase in stiffness over stock base/active cars for a nice reduction in body roll and improvement in handling.
Good info on the different factory bar sizes, but my OCD says the numbers are +17% front and +71% rear for the M-tech/Sport bars.

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/tantiswa.htm

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/thandling.htm

L84THSKY

01-15-2007, 05:59 PM

I checked your #'s, you are right. I guess OCD can sometimes be useful.

Good info on the different factory bar sizes, but my OCD says the numbers are +17% front and +71% rear for the M-tech/Sport bars.

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/tantiswa.htm

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/thandling.htm

Den

01-15-2007, 06:03 PM

95 318ti m42 1.8 made 6/95 why can't i get correct bushings and links. My links are cracked. Any ideas...........where do u go for matching links and bushings? BMW parts dealer is confused. Why do I have rear sway bar measuring 15 millimeters? no clue yet. My parts guy says I have a lowered or sports suspension according to vin# but not M//

I once had to replace a sway bar bushing on my E28 535is. Got the part at the local dealer in Atlanta. I always remembered this because the M-tech part was $25 and the stock part was $4! Being a cheap bastard, I even tried to install the $4 bushing before buying the $$$ one.(I was not hip to mail order parts at the time.) The $4 bushing was too small. This establised the fact is that my car had an M-tech suspension with a larger front bar from the factory.

A few years later, I was looking into replacing the shocks and kinda wanted to stay with the factory package which had Bilsteins valved to M-tech specs. I had moved to another state, and this local dealer told me that no M-tech suspension was ever offered for the E28. :rolleyes2 :shock:

I came back a few days later with the receipt from the dealer who had sold me the M-tech bushing and had fun asking the guy WTF he thought it could be if there was no M-tech suspension for the E28. Using this part number, he was able to find the E28 M-tech package. Hello! :wave: :yes:

The factory/M-tech suspension tweaks can get pretty tricky.
Call another dealer or talk to another guy who is less confused at your dealer.

The dealer in Atlanta who knew what was up with my E28 is Global Imports. I'm not sure if they are particularly knowledgeable or if I just got lucky. I'm sure some of the members here can point you towards a dealer who knows what's up.

windnsea00

01-29-2007, 12:57 PM

316i compact

02-08-2007, 03:53 PM

The suspension guru's I know believe in spring rates over sways. Sways will give you a decieving feel of handling better but in reality your not. With my setup I have stock sways, I can already lift my rear inside tire on tight turns...a thicker sway in the rear would make that worse and in the front would add more understeer which is very minimal with -2 camber, 1/8 toe in and +7 1/4 caster.

It's not uncommon for the E30/Z3 guys to run no rear sway on the track or street when backed up with a stiff spring rate.

Then why all the racing cars are using very thick sway bars? Or why the M3 CSL, a factory BMW car, uses a front bar of 30mm instead of the 26mm of the standard M3? My 316i didn't have a sway bar at the rear as stock(only the M Sport had), and i put the 16mm one. Before i do that , the cars handling was very poor. It was agreat improvement.

windnsea00

02-08-2007, 07:10 PM

Our rear suspension is TOTALLY different from the E46 in the rear as the E46 is multilink. I was just sharing what it's common to see at the track.

JedzE36/5

03-16-2007, 07:26 AM

The suspension guru's I know believe in spring rates over sways. Sways will give you a decieving feel of handling better but in reality your not. With my setup I have stock sways, I can already lift my rear inside tire on tight turns...a thicker sway in the rear would make that worse and in the front would add more understeer which is very minimal with -2 camber, 1/8 toe in and +7 1/4 caster.

It's not uncommon for the E30/Z3 guys to run no rear sway on the track or street when backed up with a stiff spring rate.

same here. i know 2 hard core club racers where one has extremely high spring rates and the other has more moderate rates with a sway bar. the outcome was pretty much the same. there are many ways to do your suspension to get the same effect.

weezer

03-16-2007, 11:54 AM

Try the racing dynamics sway bars.

Discontinued and Out of stock....:biggrin:

weezer

03-16-2007, 12:06 PM

Turner has an H&R rear sway bar that is 19mm and JC Whitney (yes) has one made by Addco, 18.5mm, for Z3 6 cylinders. There used to be a vendor on Ebay, called Neverenough, selling Addco rear sway bars for the MZ3 that measured 22.5mm.
I think I will go with a larger rear sway bar to lessen the understeer.
I will also replace my crappy rear KYB shocks to Bilstein sports....already have them.....:biggrin:

marko

03-16-2007, 01:56 PM

but you DID notice an (large/moderate/somewhat?) actual improvment over stock bars, correct (when U switched to Club Sport bars)??

asking cause next stop for me is PROPER suspension set up, and I'm still not sure what I really need..:confused:

so far, got Bilsteins (I know they are Ok) with Bav Auto lowering springs, & 95 M3 wheels.. NOT very happy AT ALL with the springs (!) - they seem almost NON progressive.. its weird, but the car seems too soft some times, while extremely harsh some other times (is that even atributed to springs??).. its as if almost no consistency in spring behavior, if that makes sense at all..

anyway.. most likely will never 'track' the car, BUT would like a nice and solid feel on the back road 'twisties' (would most def. like to eliminate the current roll)! having said that - had Neuspeed bars on my 91 GTI & the car felt like it was 'plowing' into turns - eventually put back the stock front bar while keeping the larger Neuspeed rear and car's handling improved tenfold!

So..
Club Sport or something like H&R bars (front & rear or just rear?)??
springs - anything out there better than Bav Auto springs?
I understand these are subjective, but whatever...

everyones opinions apreciated & welcome, of course..

How stiff do you need them? Are you tracking the car? The m-tec (sport) sways are still REALLY soft for track use. I swapped them in and I need to get some stiffer ones now that I'm running r-compound tires.

DustenT

03-16-2007, 02:32 PM

Yes I noticed a difference, not a HUGE difference, but noticeable.

HR sport springs are nice, and soft enough for daily driving. All sport springs are going to be harsh.

I'd get the big HR sway bars if I were you. Or...I'll sell you my MTec bars so I can buy the HRs. :)

96cali

03-16-2007, 02:55 PM

I belive Bimmerbum has a few sets of matched Bilstein springs and struts FS that don't lower it much (1"/1.2"). Just slightly more than Mtech.

Viper3812

03-18-2007, 05:34 AM

Discontinued and Out of stock....:biggrin:
Really? That sucks. They have been discontinuing a lot of stuff for our cars.

weezer

03-18-2007, 11:05 PM

Really? That sucks. They have been discontinuing a lot of stuff for our cars.

Well it has been almost 10 years since the Ti was discontinued by BMW.
I sold the last Racing Dynamics Sway bar kit in stock to pmd3, a month ago.
You can get H&R, Eibach and Addco sway bars for the Z3, the part numbers co-relates to the Tis.

ORtiguy

03-26-2007, 07:03 AM

Hi, I just installed a set of H&R sway bars on my ti and I had some trouble with the rear bushing brackets not fitting over the new bushings. Do you know if the brackets for a 328 will mount to the ti? The bushings I seem to have gotten require those brackets. If you're wondering how I got the H&R's, Autowerks was able to make a kit by putting the front 328 bar with a rear Z3 bar. They compliment my H&R sport springs very well!! I've been looking around this forum for about 3 years and have finally decided to become a member, ha! Hope you can help me! -Bryan

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 07:15 AM

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180093329022&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=120044261065&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget

H&R Sways EUR 299,00(est 407USD) + Post from Germany to US.
28mm (VA) / 19mm (HA)

mmm debating.

how is the H&R kit.

Eibach 318ti Sway kit. EUR 449,00(est 611USD) + Post

http://cgi.ebay.de/Eibach-Anti-Roll-Kit-Sportstabilisatoren-BMW-E36-Com_W0QQitemZ290069483705QQcategoryZ40192QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

same size as the H&R 28/19mm

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 07:41 AM

3135 3623 AC Schnitzer Sway Bar Kit
$789.95

from BavAuto.com

TMS used to sell a kit for the Ti, for 350ish..can't find it on their now.

ORtiguy

03-26-2007, 07:47 AM

I love the H&R's! I got them from Autowerks for around $380

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 08:00 AM

Korman has this.

Korman Clubsport Suspension System- E36 318, 325, 328

4 linear rate springs, 2.0" height reduction front, 1 3/8" height reduction rear
Bilstein Sport Valved front struts and rear shocks
Front and Rear Sway Bars (28mm front, 21mm rear), mounting hardware and bushings included.
318i, iS (all) P/N 3110318H4, 318Ti P/N 3110318TI2, 325/325i, iS (all) P/N 3110325H8

Front and Rear Sway Bars (28mm front, 21mm rear), mounting hardware and bushings included. < they don't list it apart from the kit though on their site.

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 08:06 AM

I love the H&R's! I got them from Autowerks for around $380

what sizes are the bars? What all hardware did you get with them?

ORtiguy

03-26-2007, 08:11 AM

what sizes are the bars? What all hardware did you get with them?

They are 28mm and 19mm. They came with the H&R polyurathane bushings and bolts for the rear endlinks. They didn't come with new endlinks like the racing dynamics bars do. The only problem I had was with the rear bushings because they were designed for the Z3. I just ordered new brackets from Pelican Parts so hopefully those will fit right. The Ti brackets arent big enough for the new bushings.

mohaughn

03-26-2007, 08:18 AM

I've got that H&R 28mm swaybar up front. Nice bar. A lot beefier than the stock unit. Did that in combination with the ground control M3 adjustable sway bar end links.

ORtiguy

03-26-2007, 08:22 AM

Here are some pictures!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/CUPlaya/DSCN1117.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/CUPlaya/DSCN1119.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/CUPlaya/DSCN1120.jpg

You can also see them and more at the website shown in my sig.

ORtiguy

03-26-2007, 08:23 AM

If you compare the rear bushings with the ones ranster got then you can see the problem I'm having.

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 08:24 AM

I am looking at the TMS 3 way adjustable front bar(27mm) and these for the rear. For the rear bar H&R M Coupe? or Z3?

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/suspension/suspension_e36_sways_newlinks.jpg

anyone know the price on these?

mohaughn

03-26-2007, 08:32 AM

hmm.. rear adjustable sway bar end links? Those are really new. I hadn't seen those...

If I end up sticking my rear bar back on I may have to get those.

ORtiguy

03-26-2007, 08:32 AM

The ones I have are for the Z3...I'm not sure which rear suspension the M coupe uses.

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 08:33 AM

sending an email to TMS right now. going to find out the price of a front 27mm adjustable bar and those black endlinks.

Panzer_M

03-26-2007, 08:37 AM

hmm.. rear adjustable sway bar end links? Those are really new. I hadn't seen those...

If I end up sticking my rear bar back on I may have to get those.

already getting a price on a set.

I'll never get in a Magazine..all my mods are sight unseen. Maybe one day at a trackevent Grassroots my bless me with a shot. But it would be like Nessie or Bigfoot...just a red/black blur, that I could claim to be my car.

ORtiguy

03-29-2007, 12:24 AM

I got the new brackets today and they fit perfectly! So if you buy the H&R Z3 rear sway bar make sure to order 325i rear sway bar bushing brackets! They were $2.50 each at Pelican Parts.

L84THSKY

03-29-2007, 12:59 AM

I think my rear sway bar links are ****. They seem to be rubbing my driveshafts. Can these end links work with an M-tech rear sway bar?

I am looking at the TMS 3 way adjustable front bar(27mm) and these for the rear. For the rear bar H&R M Coupe? or Z3?

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/suspension/suspension_e36_sways_newlinks.jpg

anyone know the price on these?

turbof128

03-29-2007, 05:45 AM

I got the new brackets today and they fit perfectly! So if you buy the H&R Z3 rear sway bar make sure to order 325i rear sway bar bushing brackets! They were $2.50 each at Pelican Parts.

Stupid question but is that 325i the e36 or e46?

ORtiguy

03-29-2007, 09:21 PM

e36...basically the bracket for non-ti's

BimmerBum

03-29-2007, 10:42 PM

I am looking at the TMS 3 way adjustable front bar(27mm) and these for the rear. For the rear bar H&R M Coupe? or Z3?

On my coupe (same suspension as 318ti) I am running a 27mm front bar and 22mm rear. I am going to the M front suspension geometry which allows me to switch to a 22mm front sway bar, saving weight while keeping the effectiveness.

The real advantage in bigger sway bars comes in a larger rear bar. My coupe came with 26mm front and 16mm rear. The new sways I put on were only 1mm larger in the front but 6mm in the rear.

You might want to consider going to an M coupe rear sway (19mm) if you don't want to drop the $$$ on a set of adjustables.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 06:30 PM

I'm looking to make a change on my rear sway bar. What kind of end links work with this M-coupe rear sway?

I've now seen rear sways that are adjustable, and new sway bar end links that are adjustable. Which is better?

Found this @ TMS.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=71520

This bar is 21mm and adjustable. If the M-coupe uses a different subframe, are you sure the sway bar attaches the same as our cars?

You might want to consider going to an M coupe rear sway (19mm) if you don't want to drop the $$$ on a set of adjustables.

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 06:46 PM

yea those endlinks will work with our Ti subframes. Under the car the moment, typing in the garage...working on seperating the diff from the driveshaft...

the rear is a twin loop design..I got Meyles right now...and they are made for E36 3sers..least that's what the meyle packing said auf deutsch.

These black links are the same design. One end should pivot/rotate to form the 0==0 shape of the endlink. I like them for a couple reasons, 1. you can grease them, 2. Urethane beats rubber, 3. adjustable, not that important to me as I rarely change my setup once I get it tuned to where I prefer to drive it.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 06:58 PM

Just got off the phone with TMS.

Those adjustable, greasable links that were posted are for the E36, and will not fit our cars. TMS has an H & R Z3 19mm bar for $139.62, and adjustable end links @ $50.00 each.

Not 100% sure about the MZ3 bar fitting but it's 22mm and cost $178.62.

Damn end links cost $100.00, that sucks, but atleast they are adjustable.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Now I don't know what to do. TMS said those adjustable, greasable links won't work. I think I will get the H & R 19mm Z3 rear bar anyway, then figure out what to do with the end link issue.

yea those endlinks will work with our Ti subframes.

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 07:09 PM

They also said UUC S/S lines and 8.5lb Fly wouldn't work on the Ti.

sometimes you just gotta try.

http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/95/bb/7005_2.JPG OE replacement

511 150 BMW 318i (E30) 1983 - 1985 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 318is (E30) 1990 - 1991 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 318iC (E30) 1990 - 1992 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 325, e, es (E30) 1984 - 1988 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 325i, is (E30) 1987 - 1991 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 325ix (E30) 1987 - 1991 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 325iC (E30) 1987 - 1992 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW M3 (E30) 1987 - 1990 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 318i (E36) 1992 - 1998 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 318is (E36) 1992 - 1997 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 318iC (E36) 1992 - 1998 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 323is (E36) 1997 - 1999 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 323iC (E36) 1997 - 1999 Rear Stabilizer Link
511 150 BMW 325i (E36) 1991 - 1995

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 07:11 PM

If it's good enough for a e30 M, then it's good enough for my Club Sport.

the p/n clean up...So I would say the Black do or can be made to fit.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 07:28 PM

"Can be made to fit" isn't comforting. I don't wanna be modifying it. Do you see any reason why these (Pictured E36) sway bar links with the H & R 19mm Z3 sway bar isn't plug and play?

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/suspension/suspension_e36_sways_newlinks.jpg

If it's good enough for a e30 M, then it's good enough for my Club Sport.

the p/n clean up...So I would say the Black do or can be made to fit.

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 07:42 PM

If the brass colored head can swivel 90'(Which is should be able to with issue) then I would just measure the length or get the length from TMS or UUC and compare that to stock. If it's close in size, then I would go for a set.

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 07:43 PM

although I would install these nubs facing the rear, for easy access.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 08:00 PM

What about about part #6 in the picture, is the end link gonna fit in this piece?

although I would install these nubs facing the rear, for easy access.

BimmerBum

03-30-2007, 08:05 PM

I'm looking to make a change on my rear sway bar. What kind of end links work with this M-coupe rear sway?

This bar is 21mm and adjustable. If the M-coupe uses a different subframe, are you sure the sway bar attaches the same as our cars?

The ti and all Z3's including the M coupe and M roadster use the same rear sway bar links.

The M coupe sub frame is different but that makes no difference as the sway bar does not attach to the sub frame. It attaches to the body and the trailing arms. The trailing arms are different front the M coupe but the sway bar pick ups are in the same place on all of arms.

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 08:13 PM

What about about part #6 in the picture, is the end link gonna fit in this piece?

I would say 95% yes. Since it doesn't meantion swapping that part out on the e36(Non Tis)

if it does need to be replaced, I would guess it's just parts bin M upgrade or it might come with one.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/o/r/3.png

M3 sway bar. Almost identical mount, will bolt to out setup without issue.
OE M3 parts bin part.

06 SWING SUPPORT BRACKET 2 33551136393 $1.67

ORtiguy

03-30-2007, 08:16 PM

You also might want to check with them what the diameters of the bolt holes are. The bolt that came with the H&R Z3 bar was a little bigger than the stock bar. The stock holes are rubber and were able to expand to fit the H&R bolt. Just something to think about and ask them.

ORtiguy

03-30-2007, 08:17 PM

Also dont forget to get a new #3 ;-)

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 08:37 PM

not working on the upper mounts at the moment.

The e36 kits, don't have new bolts IIRC, so it's prob the same 13mm bolts retained.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 08:40 PM

I just got off the phone again with TMS. He's gonna pull a rear sway bar, and the adjustable, greasable end links. The only thing he can't measure is if the end links can be adjusted to the same length as the stock end links. he doesn't carry OEM end links. Anyone know the stock length of the end links?

He also said that the three adjustments on the bar, are for performance handling, and the adjustment on the end links are for proper fitting. So I really need to be sure the end links fit right, and not try to make it fit by using a different setting on the bar.

If the brass colored head can swivel 90'(Which is should be able to with issue) then I would just measure the length or get the length from TMS or UUC and compare that to stock. If it's close in size, then I would go for a set.

ORtiguy

03-30-2007, 08:43 PM

I had to use the outside holes on the bar because the stock endlinks arent long enough for the other holes.

BimmerBum

03-30-2007, 08:53 PM

You can adjust the stiffness of the bar using the different holes. The holes at the very end of the bar are the softest setting, and the holes furthest in (towards the rear of the car when mounted) are the stiffest. You can play with it and see what you prefer. I have mine on full stiff in the rear and on the middle adjustment hole on the front.

Ill try to dig out a link and measure it later today if no one posts a length.

BimmerBum

03-30-2007, 08:56 PM

The purpose of an adjustable link is to prevent sway bar bind. You want the sway bar to be parallel to the ground under full load, you can achieve that with an adjustable link.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 09:10 PM

Bingo! The whole reason I was looking for new end links was because my current ones are rubbing my driveshafts. Since the holes on the end of the bar are for the softest setting, would that allow for a end link that is shorter than stock. Just wondering, incase the adjustable link can't extend to stock length.

The purpose of an adjustable link is to prevent sway bar bind. You want the sway bar to be parallel to the ground under full load, you can achieve that with an adjustable link.

Panzer_M

03-30-2007, 09:13 PM

ok, I am going to shoot this, I am going to say, the blacks will work with the 318ti, with H&Rs ajustables, possible OE BMW bars, with minimal changes to the OE hardware. If you want to replace old mounts/bolts that a personal choice. If the OE Ti stuff isn't up to snuff, then M parts will go in, and I'll source some quality bolts/nuts at a speed shop.

If they will sell a set of black to me I'll test fit them next month and do a write-up on them..I'll do a better one in May on the whole Urethane rear durning on May Track day in Gainesville that's being worked out and the CFBMW poker run. 100/set for blacks. expensive..but nice things always are.

whatever bar I get I want firm in the rear. that's my first requirement.

L84THSKY

03-30-2007, 09:22 PM

Would be nice if we could get a group buy on those black sway bar links. Yeah, I think the links will work with the H & R bar too. I already had the Turner sway bar support tabs welded onto my car last year.

ok, I am going to shoot this, I am going to say, the blacks will work with the 318ti, with H&Rs ajustables, possible OE BMW bars, with minimal changes to the OE hardware. If you want to replace old mounts/bolts that a personal choice. If the OE Ti stuff isn't up to snuff, then M parts will go in, and I'll source some quality bolts/nuts at a speed shop.

If they will sell a set of black to me I'll test fit them next month and do a write-up on them..I'll do a better one in May on the whole Urethane rear durning on May Track day in Gainesville that's being worked out and the CFBMW poker run. 100/set for blacks. expensive..but nice things always are.

whatever bar I get I want firm in the rear. that's my first requirement.

L84THSKY

04-10-2007, 05:48 PM

Did you get a price on the rear sway bar adjustable links?

ok, I am going to shoot this, I am going to say, the blacks will work with the 318ti, with H&Rs ajustables, possible OE BMW bars, with minimal changes to the OE hardware. If you want to replace old mounts/bolts that a personal choice. If the OE Ti stuff isn't up to snuff, then M parts will go in, and I'll source some quality bolts/nuts at a speed shop.

If they will sell a set of black to me I'll test fit them next month and do a write-up on them..I'll do a better one in May on the whole Urethane rear durning on May Track day in Gainesville that's being worked out and the CFBMW poker run. 100/set for blacks. expensive..but nice things always are.

whatever bar I get I want firm in the rear. that's my first requirement.

mohaughn

04-10-2007, 06:19 PM

whatever bar I get I want firm in the rear. that's my first requirement.

Really firm sway bars on the rear of the E30 style semi-trailing arm will cause the inside rear wheel to lift when cornering at track speeds. That is why z3 and E30 track cars use a higher spring rate on the rear instead of a super stiff rear sway bar to control the roll on the ass of the car. With the rear of the car stripped 500# springs seems to be stiff enough to control body roll without a rear sway bar for auto-x. I'll find out on the 19th of next month when I get to take it out for the first DE after the suspension update.

Also keep in mind that adjustable sway bar end links are a PITA to adjust properly. I still don't think I have my fronts set right. At some point in the future when I have the car corner balanced I'll probably pay an experienced race shop to set them up with all of the pre-load removed and at the proper length to make the bar the most effective.

I can measure the stock rear end links when I get home.

What day are you guys doing that track day in May? Still have any openings?

mohaughn

04-11-2007, 02:02 AM

From the center of the part that goes through the bar to the center of the ring with the bushing in it(car side) is 2 5/8 inches. Approximately.

From the center part that goes through the bar to the outer edge of the U bracket that mounts on the trailing arm is 4 1/16 inches. Approximately.

Probably accurate to within a 16th or 2.

L84THSKY

04-12-2007, 07:31 PM

I just ordered the adjustable/ greasable end links from UUC. They are the OEM for that product. They said I can't buy only the rear bar from them, and they didn't have a set of bars to fit the 318ti anyway.

He also said you CAN NOT use these end links with stock sway bars. The threaded end of the sway bar will not fit through the hole in the endlink.

ok, I am going to shoot this, I am going to say, the blacks will work with the 318ti, with H&Rs ajustables, possible OE BMW bars, with minimal changes to the OE hardware. If you want to replace old mounts/bolts that a personal choice. If the OE Ti stuff isn't up to snuff, then M parts will go in, and I'll source some quality bolts/nuts at a speed shop.

If they will sell a set of black to me I'll test fit them next month and do a write-up on them..I'll do a better one in May on the whole Urethane rear durning on May Track day in Gainesville that's being worked out and the CFBMW poker run. 100/set for blacks. expensive..but nice things always are.

whatever bar I get I want firm in the rear. that's my first requirement.