318Ti Standard Performance

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Hey there all!
Just a wee question on what kind of cars u can beat with a Standard 318Ti?
Also does anyone have an Exact 1/4 mile time from a standard Ti?
Cheers guys!
Oh and btw, a manual transmition :wink:

Thanks Again, Michael.

[Philly]

transmission.

depends on the driver... i don't know the exact 1/4 time. They only have around 120rwhp and similar wheel torque.. so im geussing they'll do around 15.5-16... but thats pulled out of my arse.

You might be able to keep up with a Dodge Caravan w/ 7 passengers...

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Cheers buddy, sorry bout spelling!
That sounds gd enough for me, but mine is 141hp, is that at the flywheel?

[Philly]

haha No worries... i just like to educate :P

That would be at the crank, yup.
Their roughly around 120 to the wheels.

The only single downfall to the TI is lack of power.. hence why many here have opted to swap an I-6 or install a DASC.

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Im afraid i cannot Supercharge as i can barely afford the insurance being only 17 years old! What the insurance like in the US?

[zboot]

Imagine having a long hard object shoved up your arse. Then imagine being forced to administer that punishment to yourself. That's what insurance is like here (i'm 22).

[Philly]

well im actually from canada.. it is also arse rape heaven.

the insurance company profit from a year or 2 ago was well over a couple billion.. so they removed a couple retarded tricks... like charging boys more than girls.. etc etc.

Luckily for now, Im still living at home, so im on my mothers insurance and a secondary driver - although im the only driver lol
I pay around $1000 a year for everything included.. theft,fire,collision,plpd.. If i were out on my own though - w/ my $15k write off spec-v and my 1 speeding ticket - id be looking at $2200-2500 a year.

[zboot]

This is my first car, but extrapolating from what I'm paying now, I'm looking at roughly $1800 a year

[TheFlyingScotsman]

What kind of cars can the 318Ti take on?

[momorugger]

I took an Acura Integra. He had better acceleration but i caught and passed him in the turns

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Is yours standard?!?

[momorugger]

hmm, no

[momorugger]

wait, do you mean stock, or tranny?

[momorugger]

I have an auto tranny on the M sport package and have performance tweaks here and there, nothing major

[TheFlyingScotsman]

I have the Manual 5 speed. Is that quicker than the spazmatic? :p

[momorugger]

it's quicker as far as acceleration, and is far preferable. You can pull a clutch start, so you could prolly match his acceleration and then blow him away in the corners.

[TheFlyingScotsman]

:) YUS :)

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Hey! I had a run with a Celica (new) and it has exhaust and dunno what else, and he was just getting away! was well chuffed! Im standard Manual tranny btw!
Oh i love it! :)

[gobbstopper8923]

hahah if i had full collision insurance i would have to pay 3800 a year... i have 9points on my liscense.. and im 18. its a pain. i have a lead foot.....

[kelso]

zero points on my license, last payment was a little under 900 for 6 months i think...not too bad but not quite fair in my opinion.

[mohaughn]

Wow.. Getting old does have some perks... I have three cars on my policy, all with full coverage and really cheap deductibles... I pay well under 900$ for six months...

[3184ever]

wow, i feel like im stealing insurence, i pay around 750$ for the year, im 20 and im the primary driver on the car.... You guys should shop around for different insurance.
(full coverage not just liability, forgot to mention that)

[momorugger]

well, I am still w/ the folks, and am on their insurance plan. As the primary driver of the ti, it costs about 600 bucks a year to insure me. I'm only 16.

[biker32]

ya im 18 and under my parents insurance but im paying 130 a month.... (i have a stock base edition ti auto)ya... i've beaten my brothers integra, my buddy's lumina z34, a 00 neon, and a newer impala... ive only lost to 2 ppl.... an 07 Z06 i got my ass handed to me, and a chevelle ss with a blown 396 beat him off the line for about 3 seconds until he got traction then that race was over lol

[zboot]

wow, i feel like im stealing insurence, i pay around 750$ for the year, im 20 and im the primary driver on the car.... You guys should shop around for different insurance.
(full coverage not just liability, forgot to mention that)

So you've got zero deductibles huh or did you max those out? What exactly do you get in your "full coverage"? Your state is IL, I don't know what the minimums are for you guys.

[3184ever]

Ok, I got my insurance stuff right here:
body injury liability: 100,000 per/person, 300,000 each accident
property damage: 200,000 each accident
uninsured motors:100,000pp, 300,000 pa
medical payments:100,000 each person
comprehensive:500$ deductible
collision:500$ deductible

any other information ya want buddy? or does that satisfy ya.

[Den]

Hey there all!
Just a wee question on what kind of cars u can beat with a Standard 318Ti?
Also does anyone have an Exact 1/4 mile time from a standard Ti?
Cheers guys!
Oh and btw, a manual transmition :wink:

Thanks Again, Michael.
I think the official spec is ~16.5 sec, but I found this:


http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-318ti-Timeslip-8048.html

Stock 1996 BMW 318ti California
1/4 Mile ET: 15.762

He probably revved th motor up to ~4k and dumped the clutch to get a 15.76 1/4 mile. This motor doesn't really have much in the low revs, so it's not that quick from a standstill.
~16 sec isn't completely lame, but you've got the wrong tool for the job if you want to go drag racing.

[Den]

http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/318istechinfo.html#techinfo_performance
Comparison to Some 1990-1994 Sports Coupes

The Ti is not in this comparison, but the inclusion of the other 318's will give you a rough idea.
E30 318is is ~125 lbs. lighter than the Ti, has different gearing, and no dual intake.
E36 318is is ~200 lbs. heavier than the Ti.

[zboot]

Ok, I got my insurance stuff right here:
body injury liability: 100,000 per/person, 300,000 each accident
property damage: 200,000 each accident
uninsured motors:100,000pp, 300,000 pa
medical payments:100,000 each person
comprehensive:500$ deductible
collision:500$ deductible

any other information ya want buddy? or does that satisfy ya.

I pay less for six months and I have lower deductibles, but I also have a lot less coverage on the liability, property, uninsured, and medical.

How long have you had insurance (if you don't mind my asking) . . .this is my first car but I was on the insurance of my ex and got a discount when I got my own policy.

[nineball12]

Allrighty...
When i took my stock ti to the track i ran a 16.6, and that's the best i could get out of it all night... (now i'm hoping for a 13.5 :D)

For insurance:
I'm 18, clean record, and i pay $84 a month for liability only. (i'm cheap)

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Right, im back!

Long time no see huh!

The Mad Scotsman has been up at the 1/4mile with the Ti, and i ran a 16.02 at 88mph.

Im completely standard apart form a S/S from CAT backwards.

I beat a few standard Toyota Starlet GT Turbo's (EP82 & GLANZA), Kept within spitting distance with a Focus RS, Yaris T-SPorts- pissed all over them!

Loads more, great day!

This a good time?

[DocDuvi]

an 07 Z06 i got my ass handed to me

dude you gotta be kiding me tha vette was prob not even racing :biggrin:

and about insurance mine is $1200 a year for the ti
i was amazed it was more than my 1998 audi A4 quattro

[BleMW]

i've taken a 2002 v6 mazda millenia on the outside of a turn

[cosmos schwarz]

i pay £500 a year fully comp. dont not get a dasc just because of insurance, go third party and dont declare it. if you have a bump insurance dont even look at your car anyway!

my car is pretty much standard, 1/4 mile is in the 15's with the car stripped.

as for cars i've beaten, christ, my best race was an old maserati 2.5 bi-turbo, it overtook my friends 94 325i no problem but couldnt keep with me in about a 10 mile stretch of b-road, the thing could catch up on the straights, but i could outbrake/corner every bend. i dont advise racing maserati's, it wasnt a breeze, i had to use heel-toe to create oversteer in the tight twisties and was half-flat shifting. my car did smell of burnt clutch/brake pads when the guy flashed me to pull over at a pub and see what car i was driving. (my car's completely de-badged at the back).

[KNIGHT 318TI]

I recently saw the 1/4 mile times and it is 16.4.

[Zacki]

im paying like 280 a month,(sucks had to put 1/2 my paycheck into it and delay my dasc) after i had a wreck, for my 318i '96. jackass in front of me, in a yellow bug, stopped in the middle of the intersection for a squirrel. only like $200 of damage to his car and $100 to the car in front of him, but like 5k to my car( i was in my moms highlander at the time- that Asian car is made of plastic, i swear to god. I will be like about $260 a month on my TI.
Im just not going to tell them about the supercharger, plus i heard somewhere that, unlike turbos sc's don't raise insurance, idk about that.

i've taken a 2002 v6 mazda millenia on the outside of a turn

lawl

[TheFlyingScotsman]

i pay £500 a year fully comp. dont not get a dasc just because of insurance, go third party and dont declare it. if you have a bump insurance dont even look at your car anyway!

my car is pretty much standard, 1/4 mile is in the 15's with the car stripped.

as for cars i've beaten, christ, my best race was an old maserati 2.5 bi-turbo, it overtook my friends 94 325i no problem but couldnt keep with me in about a 10 mile stretch of b-road, the thing could catch up on the straights, but i could outbrake/corner every bend. i dont advise racing maserati's, it wasnt a breeze, i had to use heel-toe to create oversteer in the tight twisties and was half-flat shifting. my car did smell of burnt clutch/brake pads when the guy flashed me to pull over at a pub and see what car i was driving. (my car's completely de-badged at the back).


I like you. :biggrin:

Thats the way i drive and ive beaten cars i dont think i should have somehow.
Im thinking about stripping the car, id love to see the 15's!

BTW I NEED YOUR WHEELS, those the EVO M3 ones?

[GhostRyder]

i took a 97 eclipse from a roll pretty easy

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Well my claim to fame is a 2.0 GSI Corsa and Glanza's and some other 'HOT HATCHES'.

FWD Pish! haha!

[NeoP]

-bmw e46 330d, approx. 175bhp: was half a car lenght in front at 50mph
-bmw e90 320d, approx. 177bhp: exactly the same

have a stock 318ti, M44 engine, NGK quad-sparkplugs, mobil1, shell 100octane fuel. I'm happy with all that.

[SDKmann]

You get 100 octane out of the pump?!

[NeoP]

we have 102 octane here, too. 100 octane is good enough for the bosch DME to squeeze every little bit of torque out of the 318ti, and to give it a smooth idle. Plus, this fuel has a specialy added package of cleaning and "the engine will run smoother"-add-ons. I can do 34 miles to the gallon if i dont kick it too much - really good liquid they sell here :wink:
What is the best fuel you can get in the US?

[thesk8nmidget]

93 octane in dallas texas at the pump

[NeoP]

OMG, that is poor (sorry), but how much is the gallon? we had 6$ the gallon here, currently we're at 5,64$.

[thesk8nmidget]

right now for 93 were at 3.26

[teetime4one]

87 octane is right around $3.00 per gallon
93 octane is about 50-60 cents more per gallon.
and, it's going up daily.

[teetime4one]

has anyone ran one of these cars on aviation fuel at the track?
or, how about Trick Racing 112 octane?
i'm curious about the longevity of these motors after a few passes with higher octane fuel

[NeoP]

well,it's like that: The DME (digital motor electronic=ECU) will measure - let's make it easy - airflow, knocking and lambda sensor. When Lambda is not optimal, there will be more fuel injected, so that the mix is not too lean or too fat. Besides of that, knocking will lead to a later ignition of the fuel mixture. The higher the octane index, the better the compression and timing can be optimized to the exact moment of maximum efficiency. i have not studied this and can not state anything as a fact, it's just what i've read so far.
It's all about matching the moment of ignition, and knocking means something like unwanted self ignition. As i know, the DME has several mappings for different fuel qualities. Besides of that, the DME won't take a sip of the fuel and taste how good it is, the DME will optimize the timing to that point until it will "start" to knock (i'm coming to a point were my english isnt sufficient, sorry for that). I can swear it is a fact, that when you swap to 100+ octane fuel you will have a massive increase in torque, but you have to give the DME some time, say about two full tanks of fuel to get to that point. after that, everything will be optimized. Other than that, you can let your learned values be deleted at your dealership. the ECU will start with the stock mappings and optimize, then.

Look out for octane boosters:
http://search.ebay.com/octane-booster
We have special additives here in our 100+ octane fuels to clean the engine, by the way. You can do that yourself with stuff like that:
-Jectron Fuel Injection Cleaner from Lubro Moly (Liqui Moly outside the US)
-Ventil Sauber - Valve Clean from Lubro Moly
The dealerships add stuff like that when you are visiting for service... So why not use it yourself? I am very happy with that stuff.

[NeoP]

by the way trick unleaded should be far enough for stock cars, everything higher would be a waste (i guess)
http://www.trickgas.com/unleaded.htm

[mohaughn]

How many times does somebody in Europe have to make a comment about 93 octane being poor when it is almost the same thing as what is sold as 100 octane in Europe????


In the US we use a different method of rating octane. 93 octane here is comparable to 100 octanein most European countries. I say most because I don't know exactly what places use what system.

In the US racing fuel is 100 octane or higher, sometimes 110. Using 100 octane, rated with the r+m/2 method will not get you any extra power without special tuning. In european countries that use the different method these fuels would be 107 or 117 octane.

by the way trick unleaded should be far enough for stock cars, everything higher would be a waste (i guess)
http://www.trickgas.com/unleaded.htm
That trick fuel is listed as this---
"Anti-Knock Index (R+M/2) 101" that will not get you any extra horsepower as 93 octane (R+M/2). Waste of money without tuning to take advantage.

[NeoP]

hi mohaugn,

wow - really didn't want to piss anyone off here, sorry if i hit the wrong spot. good to know that with the MOZ/ROZ difference in the states. Does anyone know what kind of additive packages the premium fuels in the US have?

[thesk8nmidget]

How many times does somebody in Europe have to make a comment about 93 octane being poor when it is almost the same thing as what is sold as 100 octane in Europe????


In the US we use a different method of rating octane. 93 octane here is comparable to 100 octanein most European countries. I say most because I don't know exactly what places use what system.

In the US racing fuel is 100 octane or higher, sometimes 110. Using 100 octane, rated with the r+m/2 method will not get you any extra power without special tuning. In european countries that use the different method these fuels would be 107 or 117 octane.


That trick fuel is listed as this---
"Anti-Knock Index (R+M/2) 101" that will not get you any extra horsepower as 93 octane (R+M/2). Waste of money without tuning to take advantage.

hmm i never knew that!

good to know!

learn something new every day!

[mohaughn]

hi mohaugn,

wow - really didn't want to piss anyone off here, sorry if i hit the wrong spot. good to know that with the MOZ/ROZ difference in the states. Does anyone know what kind of additive packages the premium fuels in the US have?

Nope. Didn't piss me off, sorry if it came across that way, we've just seen this a lot.. No offense intended on my part..

[NeoP]

good to knew we're cool, then.

[FuMa]

All I can say is I never found something as good as German Shell V-Power, it's much better than the Belgian V-Power (98 octane, highest available in Belgium).

My best performance was a stoplightsprint against a mercedes s 320CDI (232hp), and I've beaten him. But to be honest, most of the interior was thrown out, just drivers seat was still in, I was on my way to get a new interior. I still remember the look on his face, hahaha