Why Get Banned

[saintse36]

As most of us know Our buddy in Socal Hugo was Bannned recently Due to the Fact of some one has all the power to controla web site. Like i told him when i PM him arnit we able to speck our mind in this country. I know it a website and we use this forum to get knowlege about our cars and share our love about our car. I know Hugo for a little bit and we all have meet for a Socal meet which was mad by Hugo. My point is simple why bannned some one from a forum if you can't speck your mind... becuase if you can't speack you mind here then when can you speack you mind.Of course not on the street people take to the heart to much... Like we say "freedom of speach is not free in this country any more it comes with a price"


And that what i think Saintse36
If this thread get closed or locked either or that proves my point. And if said other-wise, text dosen't take up no spaceon a server i should know we run website and build them and i have gone to school for all of this computer stuff, also i a husky person my self and i dont mind people calling my husky there just words.

SAINTSE36

[1996 328ti]

As most of us know Our buddy in Socal Hugo was Bannned recently Due to the Fact of some one has all the power to controla web site. Totally uncalled for. When you pay the bills and take the responsibility for this site, then you can talk. When you ensure that the software is up-to-date, then you can talk.

I was going to work out a compromise but now I think I will change my mind.
Good going!

[dave45056]

Why was he banned?

[saintse36]

Totally uncalled for. When you pay the bills and take the responsibility for this site, then you can talk. When you ensure that the software is up-to-date, then you can talk.

I was going to work out a compromise but now I think I will change my mind.
Good going!

Ok Steve if you want banned me go ahead but bring back Hugo. And by you saying "When you pay the bills and take the responsibility for this site, then you can talk. When you ensure that the software is up-to-date, then you can talk." That kinda unfair beacuse you have started a site supporter section that which indeed you charge what is $10 USD to become a site supporter, so by you saying that everyone who site supporter is kinda ownes the site as while right? That why I haven't support you site yet. I was going to have it done yesterday until i found out Hugo being banned. And by saying software up date i understand how it is but like i saud Steve go ahead and banned me but bring back Hugo.

Saintes36

[1996 328ti]

It has nothing to do with site supporters.
Not that I owe you an explanation, I will anyway.
Hosting cost money.
vBulletin requires a yearly license.
PhotoPost photopost requires a yearly license.
To maintain the Cafepress store, requires a yearly fee.

With the money I collected I bought Peake scan tools for site supporters to borrow. Site supporters get more PMs and space in the photo gallery.

[saintse36]

Steve i understand and i know whata website and forums cost we have had then runn for our company in the past and still strongly feel that it was a wrong disscion to banned him. And we apperate you hosting a web site for us to get our knowlege and share our input. Like i said before where can you speck you mind in this country for sure not in the work place not even on streets because some one will get affented by the little words that anyone can say. So Steve why not bring him back he's a good person and is learning still so bring him back and banned me we will do a trade me for him...

[lazoh]

Steve,
As you can see some folks are really concernes about Hugo being banned, I met the guy personally and he is a top notch individual. Computers are funny man, I will never forget an incident at work, beleive it or not I got called into HR because of an e-mail I sent to another co-worker. As it turns out and when it was discussed the interpretation of the individual that turned me in was different from what I actually meant. Moral of the story is that you really cannot tell from text what a person is really meaning or saying.

Please re-consider and like I read on the tread that you close, put Hugo in some kind of probation. I really think that he is a very important part of not just the souther california people but to this site. Also look at ohter posts directed to him, people attack him and when you are attacked you tend to react. An example of this is what you just wrote to saintse36:

I was going to work out a compromise but now I think I will change my mind.
Good going!

See what I mean Steve??

Trust me, the more involve we get goin on this the more memeber you will get. Thanks for the support Steve and please let him back even on a limited basis.

lazoh

[lazoh]

Why was he banned?

From what we know, he called someone a name I don't dare to post it because I might get in trouble but I think is due to a persons size (which by the way, I'm ok with it because I might belong to that size range.

[marleymon]

Hugo has a history on this forum that a lot of you newer members are not aware of. This is not his first go around on the 'licensed revoked' list. He has gotten better, But hey... looks like he's back on now. The boss must have offered a plea bargain.

[cooljess76]

Guys, these threads will only upset Steven even more than he already is. This forum is a vital part in advertising our monthly meets to future members and helping our community grow. Lets respect Steven's decision and leave it at that. I know Hugo will be missed here, but we have the other forum with him and the more people that sign up there, the better it will become. However, it's not right to direct people away from this forum by posting links to Hugo's forum. We should do that in person at the monthly meet. Please don't take this the wrong way, Hugo's a good friend of mine also and I want to help him get started with his forum, but this is not the place to do it.

[saintse36]

ok guy hugo is back on and i am off good know ya talk to everyone someday signing out

[windnsea00]

Darn, I thought we were doing a good job with taking the trash out.

[roadrash]

I know Hugo will be missed here
I think you're aware of this, but just in case you're not... Not everyone here shares that opinion.

[1996 328ti]

Darn, I thought we were doing a good job with taking the trash out.I am offering him limited access.

[cooljess76]

Darn, I thought we were doing a good job with taking the trash out.Let's try not to provoke an argument. This is the first time I've ever seen you post here, though it's not your first and you've been a member for a while. Welcome back! I seen your car at Bimmerfest, it was really nice. Will you be able to make it to the meet on the 14th?

I think you're aware of this, but just in case you're not... Not everyone here shares that opinion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yes, I am aware that some people don't get along with others. It's one thing to not like somebody for whatever reason, it's another thing to go out of your way to make them aware of it. I've came off with an abrasive attitude in some of my earlier posts and I'm sure I left a negative impression on quite a few people. Please forgive me if I offended anyone in the past, I'm hoping that we could put the past behind us.

[Bobbak]

everyone get along just look forward to the next Meet I'll be fun :)

[lazoh]

I am offering him limited access.

Thank you Steve for allowing limited access to HuGo!! and people if you had a negative experience with HuGo please let it go. I'm telling you that this dude can and will go out of his way to help soemone in need. he is learning as he goes, and in case you don't know this he is not even legal to drink yet!!!

We all make mistakes and he was just a teenager last month, after all we are not perfect, are we??

Thanks again Steve and keep up the good work!!

[col.hapablap]

quick question

is hugo able to send/rcv pms?

[lazoh]

quick question

is hugo able to send/rcv pms?

as far as i know, yes, I sent him a PM earleir and he got it.

[1996 328ti]

quick question

is hugo able to send/rcv pms?Yes.

[col.hapablap]

as far as i know, yes, I sent him a PM earleir and he got it.


Yes.


quick response. thx

[BobbyDigital]

Darn, I thought we were doing a good job with taking the trash out.

+1

[BobbyDigital]

i dont mind people calling my husky there just words.

SAINTSE36

I have a husky too, what color is yours?

[lazoh]

+1

Guys please!!! Lets stop the attacks towards HuGo, we (a few other members as well)are coaching him and this kind of attitude does not help the matter. If you guys do not like him just add them to your ignore list and you will never see anyhting from him again.

Steve, please close this tread and please also encourage people to let this go already!!! Once again thank you for your kind support and understanding!!

[cooljess76]

Guys, that's totally unnecessary and uncalled for. You know that Hugo is skating on thin ice as it is, so why provoke him?
Referring to another member as being trash and making fun of a member for the way that he/she speaks or spells is inappropriate and exactly the type of behavior that got Hugo banned. If anything, people should learn a lesson from his situation and act accordingly. I guess it's just in some people's nature to pick on other people who can't defend themselves, but please lets keep the negative remarks and rude comments to a minimum. Steven has enough headaches right now and I'm pretty sure it's not healthy to consume large quantities of Tylenol in such a short period. Our membership here is a privilege and as we've all seen, it can easily be revoked.

[momorugger]

well, I would love for hugo to stay, but I will say that I don't think too much of his avatar. this isn't a porn forum.

[windnsea00]

Guys, that's totally unnecessary and uncalled for. You know that Hugo is skating on thin ice as it is, so why provoke him?
Referring to another member as being trash
I'm only speaking from experience, he wanted to buy some brake pads from me and then in the PM's said it should be free when I told him to paypal me the amount, then he used explicit language towards me to only follow it up by "I was joking." That's not joking, that's in need of serious help.

Not to mention in the end he went and Pm'd other prospective buyers saying I was a shady seller (even though I've been around much longer on bf.c and here and never had 1 issue before) and tried to make it look like I was the bad guy on the public forums. Sorry, I guess the word trash was too polite. Also I've seen his posts over the past year and some were downright insulting to long standing members here. Not to mention the fiasco of him disrupting a meet by reckless driving awhile back.

I would like to attend the so.cal meet but this left such a bad taste in my mouth that I unfortunately have no interest in being at an event with him nearby.

[lazoh]

I'm only speaking from experience, he wanted to buy some brake pads from me and then in the PM's said it should be free when I told him to paypal me the amount, then he used explicit language towards me to only follow it up by "I was joking." That's not joking, that's in need of serious help.

Not to mention in the end he went and Pm'd other prospective buyers saying I was a shady seller (even though I've been around much longer on bf.c and here and never had 1 issue before) and tried to make it look like I was the bad guy on the public forums. Sorry, I guess the word trash was too polite. Also I've seen his posts over the past year and some were downright insulting to long standing members here. Not to mention the fiasco of him disrupting a meet by reckless driving awhile back.

I would like to attend the so.cal meet but this left such a bad taste in my mouth that I unfortunately have no interest in being at an event with him nearby.


Once again my friend, HuGo is an individual that is learning and we can see the improvements. As i posted before he was just a teenager last month, if it was a person acting like a teenager being over 30 then I would worry. I guarantee you that things are changing and I invite you to join us for the meet. We had fun the last time and HuGo was a big part of that, if not please let it go. Thank you!!

[cooljess76]

I would like to attend the so.cal meet but this left such a bad taste in my mouth that I unfortunately have no interest in being at an event with him nearby.
Well there's going to be atleast 15 members there and it wouldn't be hard to distance yourself from him or perhaps even put the past behind the two of you and move on with your lives. We all share atleast one thing in common and the more Ti's that show, the better. I just wanted to let you know that you're more than welcome to attend and if you choose not to because of problems with a guy you don't like, then you're really missing out for the wrong reason. Just think that by not coming because one individual that you don't get along with, you're letting 15+ other people down. We had alot of fun last time and everyone got along great. Be a sport and join the group.:wink:

[AlaskaBlue]

I have had some PMs from HuGo about various things and he really seems to be a cool guy. I just think sometimes the tone is sometimes hard to convey through the faceless internet. He can overreact and come off a bit harsh at times though. He has come a long way from his first posts. The community here has gained from his experience and he has gained from our experience.

[campaiar]

well, I would love for hugo to stay, but I will say that I don't think too much of his avatar. this isn't a porn forum.

I actually like his avatar... Seriously, the only thing wrong with it, is its entirely too small.... :tongue:

(seriously, you were thinking the same thing.....)

Hugo, don't knock anyone around anymore. Stick to talking about your TI.

[momorugger]

Hugo did help me w/ some photoshop tips when I Pm'd him. But I really am against his avatar.

[3DGE]

Hugo is a special guy, his comments are a bit rough to hear, but he has the right. If someone does not like what he is saying they can block his messages from showing up or ignore his statements.
The problem is this, there are some on the forums who like to build off his blunt statements with sarcastic remarks. I say let him back, if he wants to talk trash just ignore him, don't reply to his statements it only makes things more intense.

[roadrash]

Hugo is a special guy, his comments are a bit rough to hear, but he has the right.
Could you please explain to me how ANYONE here deserves "special treatment" with regards to what they write or how they behave? :confused:

[3DGE]

Could you please explain to me how ANYONE here deserves "special treatment" with regards to what they write or how they behave? :confused:

Sorry I meant special as in saying, he is more blunt in what he says. He speaks in a more immature fas son; I would not call it special treatment...more like being aware that everyone has a different way of conversing. Its never mature to just shut out that person in ager.

[roadrash]

I meant special as in saying, he is more blunt in what he says. He speaks in a more immature fas son;
OK... fair enough... I agree, except that I'd state it a little differently, i.e. harshly. But, as my opinion is irrelevant, I'll keep it to myself. :-)

Its never mature to just shut out that person in ager.
Actually... I think that in the context of an online forum, the more mature thing is to "shut out" (i.e., set to ignore) those who irritate or anger us, rather than fall victim to taunts and abusive language, thereby allowing ourselves to get caught up in a flamefest.

[3DGE]

Actually... I think that in the context of an online forum, the more mature thing is to "shut out" (i.e., set to ignore) those who irritate or anger us, rather than fall victim to taunts and abusive language, thereby allowing ourselves to get caught up in a flamefest.

Yes, just ignore the statements, there is a option to hide postings from members; therefore those who get irritated from hugo have two peaceful avenues to explore.

[DustenT]

Yes, just ignore the statements, there is a option to hide postings from members; therefore those who get irritated from hugo have two peaceful avenues to explore.

What about all the threads that have been closed because he instigates arguments? A closed thread is a useless thread.

What about all the clean up moderators have to do when he posts insanely offensive posts (like calling a member in the armed forces a murder as he leaves for his third tour)?

This is a real community, we all know each other and we need to be respectful to each other. That is what Hugo struggles with, basic respect. Maybe he has a hard time understanding the difference between the internet and reality, but he's had multiple warnings and has been banned multiple time from this forum.

Steven is much nicer than most us would be in his situation. He is going out of his way to create a "special" setup for our special friend Hugo. This is more work for Steven and is definitely above and beyond what ANY admin would do on any other forum.

So instead of bitching about "Why Get Banned", how about thanking Steven for taking the time (his FREE time!) to setup a way to make this all workout?

Thanks Steven!

[Tyler]

What about all the threads that have been closed because he instigates arguments? A closed thread is a useless thread.

What about all the clean up moderators have to do when he posts insanely offensive posts (like calling a member in the armed forces a murder as he leaves for his third tour)?

This is a real community, we all know each other and we need to be respectful to each other. That is what Hugo struggles with, basic respect. Maybe he has a hard time understanding the difference between the internet and reality, but he's had multiple warnings and has been banned multiple time from this forum.

Steven is much nicer than most us would be in his situation. He is going out of his way to create a "special" setup for our special friend Hugo. This is more work for Steven and is definitely above and beyond what ANY admin would do on any other forum.

So instead of bitching about "Why Get Banned", how about thanking Steven for taking the time (his FREE time!) to setup a way to make this all workout?

Thanks Steven!



+1 :mrhappy:

[ATF]

What about all the threads that have been closed because he instigates arguments? A closed thread is a useless thread.

What about all the clean up moderators have to do when he posts insanely offensive posts (like calling a member in the armed forces a murder as he leaves for his third tour)?

This is a real community, we all know each other and we need to be respectful to each other. That is what Hugo struggles with, basic respect. Maybe he has a hard time understanding the difference between the internet and reality, but he's had multiple warnings and has been banned multiple time from this forum.

Steven is much nicer than most us would be in his situation. He is going out of his way to create a "special" setup for our special friend Hugo. This is more work for Steven and is definitely above and beyond what ANY admin would do on any other forum.

So instead of bitching about "Why Get Banned", how about thanking Steven for taking the time (his FREE time!) to setup a way to make this all workout?

Thanks Steven!

+2

I've been apart of numerous forums left and right before I was part of this one, and if you stepped out of line, you were most likely gone. With a more tight knit community here on the org I'm glad to see Steven is willing to bend a little. But at the same time we should watch what we say, because we talk and act on a personal level here on the forums most of the time.

[larryn]

+20, and there's no need for threads like this IMO. This is not a democracy, as people would like to think it is. In my short time here, I've seen a lot of those types of threads you are talking about. If there are personal issues, take it offline, and move to PMs. There's no need to snipe at people, just because it's easier to do, since you don't see them face to face.

If I were Steven, and saw this thread, it would make me want to get rid of Hugo even more. This thread alone could easily be construed as instigating trouble. He screwed up. Let time go on, accept punishment, and things out privately.

I don't believe in vBulletin's 'Ignore List' feature, but I can understand why there is a large portion of people with Hugo's name listed in it.

[lazoh]

To ALL:

Be part of a solution, most of you claim to be better that HuGo and quite honestly I do not see that by your comments. I tend to disagree when someone wrote: "This is not a democracy, as people would like to think it is"

We live in the greatest country of the world!! In any case this is not the point here, how can we expect someone to be better without coaching??.

DustenT if you are a moderator please lead by example and don't complain about the extra work, it comes with the territory. I definately agree with you in regards to thanking Steven and please don't take my comments personally as this is not my intend.

Let's all enjoy this forum for what it was created: BMW 318tis'

And if it makes everyone that HuGo has offended better, then let it all out and let's move on and let it go.

In closing, I have met HuGo personally and he is nothing like his posts or threads. He is a "very" young guy that has a passion for his car and that is full of energy, a little rough around the edges but a good guy! Let's put this one to rest guys and I definately think that HuGo deserves to be here since his passion is this forum and his car!!!

THANK YOU STEVE!!!!!!!

PS Thank you too DustenT and the other moderators of this great forum!!!

[larryn]

In the best interests of everybody, being kind and compassionate people, please let this thread die a quick and painless death. There is no need for it.

[SDKmann]

lazoh- Im not sure ehats been going on the last few days and Im not reading this whole thing but you obviously are coming in on this a little late. Steven has had to deal with hugo many times in the past, this is not the first time he has been banned and considering what happened the last time(s) Steven was probably very patient and very justified. It would be nice if we could coach hugo to be a good boy here but he has proven that it is not possible with him. And Stevens right, he put together the site and he should be able to moderate as he wishes. If members need to be banned to keep this a good site then so be it.

[lazoh]

lazoh- Im not sure ehats been going on the last few days and Im not reading this whole thing but you obviously are coming in on this a little late. Steven has had to deal with hugo many times in the past, this is not the first time he has been banned and considering what happened the last time(s) Steven was probably very patient and very justified. It would be nice if we could coach hugo to be a good boy here but he has proven that it is not possible with him. And Stevens right, he put together the site and he should be able to moderate as he wishes. If members need to be banned to keep this a good site then so be it.

Thanks for the update SDKmann, and like you said lets let Steve make the ultimate decision on this. I have met HuGo and I was only giving you guys a true perspective about him since I met him in person.

[ATF]

I agree, the longer this thread gets the more it makes people rip each other apart with conflicting opinions.

Just let it go

/thread

[1996 328ti]

I agree, the longer this thread gets the more it makes people rip each other apart with conflicting opinions.

Just let it go

/thread+1