1 series full specs [Archive]

DustenT

07-03-2007, 01:41 AM

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/07/bmw_releases_full_specs_on_the.html#more

They finally/officially decided. No I4's but only time will tell. And they only come in coupe style, more ti like!!

I've been working with the local dealership to get more information on the 135i. I'm thinking about trading in the m3 for one. Here is what he has to say:

Hey Dusten!

I know, that 1-Series is going to be awesome! I'm really excited about it as well. No concrete dates on the when we are going to see them here in the states unfortunately. They are going to be 2009 models, so we're thinking at least 8-12 months before we can get them. I'm going to a big BMW event in Chicago this August and they are going to have the 1-Series there, so hopefully after that I will know more. They haven't released pricing yet either, it's still being figured out. I'll definitely be in touch and I would love to help your coworkers out as well, so feel free to send me their email addresses. And as I get updates I will pass them along to the three of you. Until then, enjoy your M3 and I'll talk to you soon!

Thanks,
Chad

I have 2 coworkers that are ready to put $ down on one too.

:biggrin:

1996 328ti

07-03-2007, 01:42 AM

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/07/bmw_releases_full_specs_on_the.html#more

They finally/officially decided. No I4's but only time will tell. And they only come in coupe style, more ti like!!
BMW NA will never bring a 4 banger to the US again.
But no hatch!
I don't recall reading anything about the transmission.
I'd like to have I-drive deleted.

1996 328ti

07-03-2007, 01:43 AM

I have 2 coworkers that are ready to put $ down on one too.

:biggrin:Same here but a lot depends on what we can sell our house for.
I already have my plate. FIRST 1.
I wish I didn't give up 1series.org. :(

kelso

07-03-2007, 01:51 AM

rear end isnt as bad as i expected, but the front i dunno...headlights are a little "bubbly"... i was hoping for a hatch 135i so i dunno if ill be able to get into a sedan or not...

DustenT

07-03-2007, 01:53 AM

rear end isnt as bad as i expected, but the front i dunno...headlights are a little "bubbly"... i was hoping for a hatch 135i so i dunno if ill be able to get into a sedan or not...

Honestly I didn't care for the hatch :eek: when I was in Europe. It looks like a Mazda 3 and doesn't have any features that really stand out. The hatch WOULD be much more functional though...

3DGE

07-03-2007, 02:36 AM

I love hatches....I will only buy hatched cars!

Panzer_M

07-03-2007, 02:41 AM

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-car-fortwo-passion.html

I am looking at one of these now, since the 1ser Hatch is dead to the US.

DustenT

07-03-2007, 02:54 AM

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-car-fortwo-passion.html

I am looking at one of these now, since the 1ser Hatch is dead to the US.

I don't know man...Those things are REALLY REALLY small.

http://180customs.net/Gallery/d/5107-1/Germany+2007+257.jpg

DocDuvi

07-03-2007, 03:05 AM

I'm saving all my car money to buy me one of these in a year when they come out!!

Zacki

07-03-2007, 03:35 AM

UGLY, I would rather have an e30 m3.

96cali

07-03-2007, 04:36 AM

I'm saving all my car money to buy me one of these in a year when they come out!!

Heck, a year? That's just enough time to get the wife preggers and sell the child on the black market! I bet with some fertility treatments we could get twins and upgrade to the 135!*

BTW, what is the price range we're talking about?

* S A R C A S M

3DGE

07-03-2007, 04:44 AM

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/1229/v187/www.smartusa.com/images/fortwo_passion_head.jpg
When I was in Portland me and my friend spotted one!

They are awesome!!

Zacki

07-03-2007, 10:26 AM

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/1229/v187/www.smartusa.com/images/fortwo_passion_head.jpg
When I was in Portland me and my friend spotted one!

They are awesome!!

by awesome u mean, not a real car.

DustenT

07-03-2007, 12:33 PM

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/1229/v187/www.smartusa.com/images/fortwo_passion_head.jpg
When I was in Portland me and my friend spotted one!

They are awesome!!

I want to see a crash video of a Smart versus an Escalade. I feel like I'm driving a mini-car when I drive the 318ti where I live. Everyone has huge SUVs, I can't imagine how awful that would be. SUVs wouldn't even see you in their mirrors!

larryn

07-03-2007, 12:52 PM

I'll definitely wind up with the 135i, if it's really out next spring. I was planning on replacing the e90 330i then anyway. I wonder what ED prices will be on it. I did an ED on my e90 the 1st week they were available for US consumption back in April 2005.

For those of you thinking about the 1er, seriously consider EDing it. Easily one of the best vacations of my life.

larryn

07-03-2007, 01:09 PM

Whoa! Those brakes are HUGE. Also, just caught that line about 6 piston front brakes, and 2 piston rears! Look at the size of that front caliper in this pic:
http://www.thetorquereport.com/bmw1coupe_official_hi011.jpg

StealthBimmer

07-03-2007, 02:52 PM

I know the 1 series will be a winner in the US with all these engine options available. I've read in some mags that the 135I (M1 in our hearts) will be mid 30K. Can't wait to see the faces on the 335i and older M3 owners when we blow by them. :tongue:

adamud

07-03-2007, 03:09 PM

adamud

07-03-2007, 03:11 PM

I want to see a crash video of a Smart versus an Escalade. I feel like I'm driving a mini-car when I drive the 318ti where I live. Everyone has huge SUVs, I can't imagine how awful that would be. SUVs wouldn't even see you in their mirrors!

I think my dad had a clip on this a couple years ago. It was the 2 door smart head on with a truck. The truck came out with more damage. Don't ask me how.

pnosker

07-03-2007, 03:17 PM

Yeah, search Top Gear Smart crash.

bullmand

07-03-2007, 03:42 PM

For those of you thinking about the 1er, seriously consider EDing it. Easily one of the best vacations of my life.

The European Delivery is the only reason I would ever buy a brand new BMW again. I know it's cheaper to wait a year and pick up a CPO, but that vacation would be a hoot.

adamud

07-03-2007, 04:13 PM

Yeah, search Top Gear Smart crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s

Anyone want to try this with a ti?

larryn

07-03-2007, 04:21 PM

The European Delivery is the only reason I would ever buy a brand new BMW again. I know it's cheaper to wait a year and pick up a CPO, but that vacation would be a hoot.

A few images from my ED (http://lnicklas.com/main.php?g2_itemId=46). Again, what an incredible time. It was my 11th time to visit my relatives in Germany (plus, we added Spain to our itinerary), but one of my most memorable.

Sorry for going OT. :D That Smart gets manged. Few people would survive the crash depicted in that youtube vid. :(

DustenT

07-03-2007, 04:34 PM

http://www.bmwusa.com/

Watch the flash intro.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::eek::eek:

larryn

07-03-2007, 05:43 PM

Dayum! I'd hit it. I guess I'll join the list of people here with deposits at their dealer. :)

'08 335i 6sp ZSP, ZPP, Butt Warmers, Nav, iPod, Bluetooth. :D

adamud

07-03-2007, 11:14 PM

I wonder what the gas mileage will be around. I know the EPA for the 335i is 19city/29highway <-- I don't believe that. Hopefully it will be mid to low 20's.

kelso

07-03-2007, 11:48 PM

Honestly I didn't care for the hatch :eek: when I was in Europe. It looks like a Mazda 3 and doesn't have any features that really stand out. The hatch WOULD be much more functional though...

i can see the mazda resemblance but i think the 3 door 1 series looks much better... i wish the C pillar had more slant to it like the ti does but no new hatches have a sloping C pillar. it annoys me really cause they look so much better like that..

anyways i will consider doing an ED of the 135i coupe when it comes out but id much prefer to get a hatch. they are more functional like you said and to me i think they look great but that is just personal opinion

Den

07-04-2007, 12:11 AM

Looks like BMW isn't releasing an official weight yet. Googling suggests 1500-1600kg(3300-3500lbs Oink! Oink!) for the 135i.
http://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+135i+kg&hl=en&sourceid=gd

The 0-60 of 5.3 is slower than the M-Coupe, and the 135 is heavier, and a nice used M-Coupe can be had for about half the $35k price. I'm having trouble getting as excited as some of you seem to be.

1 CSL anyone?
Something around, say, 2730 lbs?

Bueller?
Bueller?
BMW NA?

larryn

07-04-2007, 12:38 AM

1 CSL anyone?
Something around, say, 2730 lbs?

Bueller?
Bueller?
BMW NA?

You can lose 100lbs right off the bat by changing those heavy wheels and runflats. I did that on my e90.

What I'm really wondering is if it uses the e46 diff or the e90 diff. I am definitely going with a locker on this one. The e46 LSD can be had for about $1800, where the e90 ones are more in the $4k range.

How bout a retrofit of the Cali Roof on the 1er? ;)

Den

07-04-2007, 01:13 AM

Perhaps we are barking up the wrong tree by asking for a lightweight BMW. Maybe it would be easier to get a RWD Mini from them! :lol:

larryn

07-04-2007, 01:30 AM

lol. A Mini S JCW in RWD would be cool. :)

I bet it will be around 3250-3300lbs. The e90 is about 200lbs more than that, which would be about right... Knock another 100 off for wheels, and it's not that far from the 'ti's weight, yet double the power.

Oooh. This could be my One Lap of America car that I've dreamed of. Reliability, power, and tossability. That's probably a good call for 2009. Who wants to co-drive? ;)

kelso

07-04-2007, 01:36 AM

100 for wheels? 25 pounds at each corner? not a shot in hell your going to shave off that much unsprung weight lol... theres got to be some easy ways to reduce the weight though

Den

07-04-2007, 01:50 AM

Oooh. This could be my One Lap of America car that I've dreamed of. . . Who wants to co-drive? ;)
Right here, Dude!:_peace:

larryn

07-04-2007, 02:11 AM

100 for wheels? 25 pounds at each corner? not a shot in hell your going to shave off that much unsprung weight lol... theres got to be some easy ways to reduce the weight though

I did on my e90. Stock wheels are 28.5lbs, and runflats averaged 29lbs each. I switched to non-runflats and lightweight wheels (16.4lbs), and lost over 20lbs each corner. Acceleration and throttle response was immediately noticeable. Those runflats are ridiculously heavy.

tastade

07-04-2007, 03:08 AM

pdxmotorhead

07-04-2007, 03:46 AM

I'd prefer a turbocharged all wheel drive one.....

Dave

3DGE

07-04-2007, 04:00 AM

I want to see a crash video of a Smart versus an Escalade. I feel like I'm driving a mini-car when I drive the 318ti where I live. Everyone has huge SUVs, I can't imagine how awful that would be. SUVs wouldn't even see you in their mirrors!

here you go!!

keep in mind, who is going to go 70mpg in the city.
ju6t-yyoU8s

3DGE

07-04-2007, 04:08 AM

funnny http://youtube.com/watch?v=4cCtoPmeaHo

AWESOME!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=4gseTGwppbg

Den

07-04-2007, 09:45 AM

I don't think we will see a 4 cyl. or a hatch from BMW again, or at least not for a long time. BMW bought Mini for that reason. Mini is their introductory brand that offers 4 cylinders, light weight, and fun. If you want more mature you buy a BMW. I would consider a 1 series coupe as it is very nice looking, but prefer the hatch.
Why the perception in this country that a sedan or coupe is more mature than a hatchback, but a wagon is too mature? A hatchback is just a lightweight SUV. I think there's plenty of room in the US market between the Mini and the X3 for something like a Subaru Outback, or smaller like a 1er hatch.

Anyhow. . .I'm turned off by the whole 1er thing now that it is obvious that the 1er is just a replacement for the niche that used to be occupied by the 3er, now that the 3er is fatter, and, if they manage to squeeze any out, BMW won't be bringing any sub-3000 lb cars to the US. . .with the possible exception of an M1/M2, the lightweight 250hp turbo 4 cylinder we've been hearing rumors about, but it would probably cost ~$45k, so they wouldn't bring that to the US because nobody would buy it, including me.

All this jizz about how BMW cares so much for the environment, and they won't sell a car that weighs less than 3000 lbs in the country that burns most of the gasoline in the world. I don't care how efficient the motor is; if the car were lighter, it would be that much more efficient.

Den

07-04-2007, 10:02 AM

BMW press page.
(Scroll down for more jizz about the fat lil' 1er.)

http://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/us02.nsf

DustenT

07-04-2007, 05:11 PM

I don't think we'll see many cars under 3000 lbs anymore. All the safety equipment and reinforcements that are needed for todays safety standards are heavy.

Why the 1er? TUNING! http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165585

Software and exhaust will net a 100hp gain!! :eek:

Diffsonline will have an LSD for this, if it doesn't have one.

1996 328ti

07-04-2007, 05:20 PM

I just emailed a dealer friend.
He will call me as soon as they can start taking deposits. :)

But then again, I drive my E30 to work and the ti on the weekend.
I drove my ti today. I just love that car.

DustenT

07-04-2007, 06:07 PM

I think doing European Delivery in 2009 might be my best bet, since we planning on being there anyways.

Brand new 1er on the Nurburgring anyone? :biggrin: What a perfect way to break it in!

1996 328ti

07-04-2007, 06:12 PM

I think doing European Delivery in 2009 might be my best bet, since we planning on being there anyways.

Brand new 1er on the Nurburgring anyone? :biggrin: What a perfect way to break it in!
My wife and I are talking about Euro Delivery but I will probably not have any vacation time accrued yet. I always thought we'd do it for our 20th wedding anniversary.

Den

07-05-2007, 11:23 PM

Why the 1er?
TUNING!http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165585

Software and exhaust will net a 100hp gain!! :eek:

The 328 puts out 230hp. Even if Shiv weren't already working on it, I would think that getting way more than 300hp with a turbo or two would be a given. It's pretty obvious that the factory is selling it de-tuned. . .maybe to leave some room for the 400hp M3. . .maybe for CAFE. . .

I still don't see a reason to become very excited over the 1er.
Should I be excited because the 135 might be ~200lbs lighter than the 335(1600 kg, 3527 lbs.), and will not be available as a hatchback?

The current M5 puts out 500hp, but I'm really not interested in a 4100-lb. car.

Zacki

07-05-2007, 11:53 PM

How bout a retrofit of the Cali Roof on the 1er? ;)

sex!

The 328 puts out 230hp. Even if Shiv weren't already working on it, I would think that getting way more than 300hp with a turbo or two would be a given. It's pretty obvious that the factory is selling it de-tuned. . .maybe to leave some room for the 400hp M3. . .maybe for CAFE. . .

I still don't see a reason to become very excited over the 1er.
Should I be excited because the 135 might be ~200lbs lighter than the 335(1600 kg, 3527 lbs.), and will not be available as a hatchback?

The current M5 puts out 500hp, but I'm really not interested in a 4100-lb. car.

M6?

Den

07-06-2007, 01:38 AM

M6?
M6 is a step in the right direction, but still fat at 1710 kg (3770 lbs.)

I found a wiki on the 1er. Looks like it tops out at 1450 kg in Euro trim with the 130i. Add a few kg for turbo hardware, larger brakes, and whatever crap they decide to stuff into the US 135i, and it will be surprising if they bring it in under 1500 kg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1-series

Curb weight 1320–1450 kg

Engine(s)
1.6 L I4
2.0 L I4
2.0 L diesel I4
3.0 L I6

larryn

07-06-2007, 03:29 AM

Remember, the base weights you are using are for a 5 door hatch, which would be a bit heavier than the coupe would be. Personally, I'd be pretty happy with a 1450kg 135i (3195lbs), given the porkiness of modern BMWs. I'd also gladly trade the extra 10lbs for an extra 10 brake pistons up front, and two in back.

Unfortunately, given this day and age, I think they would go out of business if they catered to sports enthusiasts and left the luxo market in the lurch. They've always been a tech company... sometimes for the good, other times to simply keep ahead of the competition.

Also, an interesting thing to note is that the 328i E92 coupe weighs 3351lbs, the 335i Coupe 240lbs more. If you wanted a fairly lightweight 1er, I bet the 128i may just come in at close to 3000lbs or so.

Den

07-06-2007, 03:30 AM

Further reading reveals that the turbo motor does not use the lightweight alu-mg block. So by my admittedly ghetto math, just going from the N52 in the 130i to the N54 gains 34 kg, which puts the 135i at 1484 kg without any of the upgrades which will undoubtedly accompany the turbo motor. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54

Surprisingly the engine block of the N54B30 is similar to the older generation BMW M54B30 engine - all aluminum with cast iron cylinder liners. This is due to the fact that the newer N52 aluminum-magnesium engine block was not deemed as suitable for turbo-charging with the above-mentioned engineering goals. As a result, the N54B30 is physically heavier (195kg/429lbs) than the very light (161kg/354lbs) N52 engine.

335i. . .1600 kg
135i. . .1484 kg and counting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N52
N52 = 272hp stock Euro?

Call me crazy, but I think I would prefer a valvetronic N52 with snappy throttle response tuned for, say, 300hp+ to a turbo N54 that weighs 75 lbs more and is a bit sluggish. Apparently the elimination turbo lag by using smaller turbos is still wishful thinking.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165585&page=2
Originally Posted by LBV

Shiv - It may have just been me but when I test-drove a 335i I found it lacking in "snap" off the line or when tipping into the throttle while driving. Any idea as to whether part-throttle can be tuned for that?

In all honesty, when I got back in my chipped 330i the throttle was way more snappy. Then again, the 335i had less than 200km on it so the throttle adaptation may have been on the slow side.

Originally Posted by Shiv

BMW tuned the ecu to limit boost at partial throttle (ie, 1/2 throttle=1/2 boost). This is very unlike conventional turbo cars that can still make full boost at smaller throttle openings (esp. at high rpm). So there is a still bit more torque that can be extracted through tuning.

But some of the low RPM "softness" you feel is indeed boost lag. I think the hill assist also takes away a bit of "snap" upon take off as well (since it applies the brake once the clutch goes while the car is at rest). We did get rid of some of that low end softness through reworking the ignition table (the factory mapping is very conservative down there-- esp off boost). So yes, it can be improved. But no, it will never behave like a non turbo car. But I think that's a good thing when viewed wholistically

Den

07-06-2007, 08:08 AM

Remember, the base weights you are using are for a 5 door hatch, which would be a bit heavier than the coupe would be. Personally, I'd be pretty happy with a 1450kg 135i (3195lbs), given the porkiness of modern BMWs. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1-series
Body style(s)
5-door "Hatch",
3-door "SportsHatch" hatchback or
2-door "Coupé"
Platform
FR E81 (3-door hatchback)
E87 (5 door hatchback)
Engine(s)
1.6 L I4
2.0 L I4
2.0 L diesel I4
3.0 L I6
Curb weight 1320–1450 kg

Weights are not listed for specific models, but sure, let's assume the 5 door is the heaviest. I just don't like the way the 1er is being presented as a new 'small' BMW("Must be small, they never had a series number as low as One before. . .") when it weighs more than the E36, and more than my E28 5er too.

and the 2002 parallel. . . yeah, they're reinventing the 1000-kg 2002 by making it weigh 1500 kg! :clap::clap::clap:
:lol::lol::lol:

http://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/us02.nsf
Woodcliff Lake, NJ - June 30, 2007, 6PM EDT... BMW will introduce a modern and authentic performance coupe that draws inspiration from its iconic 2002 models of some 40 years ago. The next BMW legend, the 1 Series Coupe, represents the core BMW philosophies of pure performance and premium design. By combining sporty rear-wheel-drive dynamics, agile handling, powerful engines and seating for four, the 1 Series Coupe will reinvent the niche that the legendary BMW 2002 created.

Yes, I've posted repeatedly that the Ti is ~250 lbs. lighter than the 318i sedan. . .and that's important, but it's more important when you have only 140hp, and the weight reduction takes you down to 2730 lbs. Anyhow, the Ti wasn't introduced as a separate series with much fanfare, and it's looking like the 1er may be only ~150 lbs lighter than the 3er. So yeah, I'm still not feelin' all the hype.

. . .and why are we getting a 230hp 128i instead of the 272hp 130i?
Yeah yeah, not enough distinction from the 135i. . .too confusing for the dumb American consumer, blah blah, blah.

Oh yeah, for those of you who are ready to tune your 135i, that'll be ~$1,400.
Add another $1,300 for the exhaust if you want 400hp.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

larryn

07-06-2007, 01:46 PM

The wiki only lists what's known. Nobody knows (except BMW, and those weights may change as they tweak the final specifications) what the coupe will weigh. I went to bmw.co.uk to see that those weights are for the five door hatch.

. . .and why are we getting a 230hp 128i instead of the 272hp 130i?
Yeah yeah, not enough distinction from the 135i. . .too confusing for the dumb American consumer, blah blah, blah.

I'm assuming they are just following the same ideology as with all other US models. They are retiring the 3.0l detuned (325i)/3.0l tuned (3.0i) engines, and moving to the 3.0l detuned (328i) and the 3.0l turbo (335i). Totally not confusing, huh? :D

Emission and gas milage are the reasons why they detune models. By bringing the same two engines that the 3er and 5er have, they save in training and supplying a parts network for additional motors (on their least expensive model).

Oh yeah, for those of you who are ready to tune your 135i, that'll be ~$1,400.
Add another $1,300 for the exhaust if you want 400hp.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

There are quite a few options for tuning the 335i nowadays. Since I also have an e90, I also frequent e90post.com (http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58). They have an entire section on 335i tuning. It seems there's another tuner hocking their wares every month. Prices range from $600 to $4500 for remapping, all the way to larger turbos. Seeing the 1er is a bit smaller, I wonder if replacing the turbos would even be an option.

I also wish they would have a 2800lb car with the 135i's power available. In order to do so, they'd have to use more exotic materials, which add expense. They have to remain X dollars less than the 3er, which is already a bargain in this country, compared to the rest of the world (with the Euro continually surpassing on the dollar as well). They have to offer all those BMWish amenities, which add weight as well. If they lost those amenities in lieu of the lighter weight, they would sell far fewer cars worldwide, and barely any (except to us) in the US.

One thing for sure, you'll see a LOT of 1ers in the racing circuit (ALMS, Grand-am, SCCA). Once you strip the interior, you'll have a car that will likely eat the field alive.