Goodbye DASC

[HuGo]

Guys, i just want to let you know that i will no longer have a Downing Atlanta Supercharger. If sale comes through, it will be gone next week. If not, then it'll be up for sale but still out of the car :frown: I cant no longer afford to get/pay 23mpg cuz of the gas prices here in los angeles. This sucks. I really loved this kit, the whine was just OMG! But yea, the gas, cant keep up.

Anyway, I'm purchasing a full S52 swap tomorrow which gives about 20/19 mpg. Its going to take TIME to get it swapped. When ever my dad has time then we will work on it. Unless good o' jesse wants to come and help we can do it faster :biggrin:

Anyway, that's the new plan. 332ti on its way. If im crazy enough, maybe FI also.

I will post pics along the way and i guess this can also be the build thread. I will take pics tomorrow of my current engine bay with the DASC.

Discuss or critisize :smile:

[elchicano]

Well good luck Hugo, I would also like to do a swap but i think thats later on. Well keep us posted.

[HuGo]

I'll post up as much as i can during the process.

[M3_KILL3R]

I'll post up as much as i can during the process.

nice bro! thats sick keep me posted!!
but the gas prices bull come on 23mpg is better than what the s52 will give you............ on the other hand that power will be well worth it :tongue:


how much was it? will you swap the tranny?

[HuGo]

nice bro! thats sick keep me posted!!
but the gas prices bull come on 23mpg is better than what the s52 will give you............ on the other hand that power will be well worth it :tongue:


how much was it? will you swap the tranny?

Yea ill be swapping for a ZF tranny. I'm buying full complete swap, tranny, and ///M cluster for 2800.

[Philly]

yeah, if your getting rid of the DASC for the cost of gas, thats just silly!
You know the reason is you want more POWAAAA! :wink:

FYI, its going to run you alot more than $2800... just so you know... all the little things add up QUICK, trust me. Upgrading differential, brakes, suspension, cooling system, driveshaft, etc... expect to spend at least another $1500 or more.
You'd better purchase Jims manual before getting to far into it as well, that will give you a much better idea of all the little things you will need.

Good luck!

[thesk8nmidget]

did your motor come with dme and radiator too?

this will be an exciting build but that wasnt a bad price at all!

looking forward to seeing this build!

[HuGo]

yeah, if your getting rid of the DASC for the cost of gas, thats just silly!
You know the reason is you want more POWAAAA! :wink:

FYI, its going to run you alot more than $2800... just so you know... all the little things add up QUICK, trust me. Upgrading differential, brakes, suspension, cooling system, driveshaft, etc... expect to spend at least another $1500 or more.
You'd better purchase Jims manual before getting to far into it as well, that will give you a much better idea of all the little things you will need.

Good luck!

Oh yea of coarse, im aware i still have to buy more stuff. And yea im going to buy jims book. I already have suspension and a diff. I'm going to upgrade my brakes again, lol. All of this is costing me nothing.

[thesk8nmidget]

what brakes do you have now?

i may be interested!

and you may wanna upgrade the front suspension to help with all the added weight

[HuGo]

I have E36 328 brakes with vented rotors.

Ima upgrade to E46 330 brakes.

I have belstein with H&R suspension set-up. I should be good right? Dont know if it will help, but i bought an X-brace.

[thesk8nmidget]

well its good to buy front springs meant for a 6 cyl and its added weight. your springs are made to handle the weight of a 4cyl.

but i may be interested in your old brakes when you upgrade :)

[jgrimm]

I call first dibs on the DASC!

[HuGo]

well its good to buy front springs meant for a 6 cyl and its added weight. your springs are made to handle the weight of a 4cyl.

but i may be interested in your old brakes when you upgrade :)

I was reading a thread and said i could just get m3 springs and im good with the shocks. Ill see when i get my book. I still want the lowered like. I have like half an inch of clearance. I also heard that its an extra 100lbs woth of weight? I have CF hood so that's already minus 25 pounds :biggrin:

[HuGo]

I call first dibs on the DASC!

I already have a buyer but if he falls through ill let you know. But you need to help me get to general in halo :tongue:

[thesk8nmidget]

yeah i do believe the springs will be enough to help but dont quote me on that suspension is not my A game

[HuGo]

hhmmm. We will see what happens.

[thesk8nmidget]

for sure!

[TT Racing]

You won't regret it. Welcome to torque, enjoy your stay. :smile: On an inspirational note for you, I just whooped on an E46 M3 this past weekend.

[HuGo]

You can really tell the difference from before and after suspension set-up. So if anyone is doubtful, look at the difference. Now go out and do it!

BTW, if you guys knew, i had a car accident last year in my dad's GSR. There's a thread about it. The GSR got destroyed. Anyway, i found my dad a new integra for 2k. Low miles of an average of 7k a year :smile:

[HuGo]

Some of the upgrades. Headlights, stromung. Picture of where i had my boost gauge.

[HuGo]

Now the supercharger itself :smile: Im going to miss that sound :frown:

Incase some of you guys doubted whether I did or didn't do the Technique Tuning Stage 3, here are some pics to reveal the bigger MAF and the removal tube from the intake boot to the injectors.

[HuGo]

Look at the injectors, different? Yea.

[HuGo]

You won't regret it. Welcome to torque, enjoy your stay. :smile: On an inspirational note for you, I just whooped on an E46 M3 this past weekend.

Damn are you serious? Auto-x or freeway/street driving?

You got a stock S52?

[thesk8nmidget]

nice looking pictures!

[TT Racing]

Damn are you serious? Auto-x or freeway/street driving?

You got a stock S52?

Absolutely, from a 40-100 roll. My S52 is stock with the exception of a ltw crank pulley and full exhaust, but its the total package that makes the car great.

I'm gonna try to head out to the drag strip this Friday and attempt to better my personal best thus far of a 13.8 1/4

[HuGo]

Have you raced an evo or sti? Launch, 1st gear 20 or 2nd gear 40? Or just being in a freeway and running?

[thesk8nmidget]

oh very excited to see your results TT

[TT Racing]

Have you raced an evo or sti? Launch, 1st gear 20 or 2nd gear 40? Or just being in a freeway and running?

No not yet. I barely drive my car. Maybe once a week at most, and it's just for joy riding. My kill list is pretty small, so far VW R32, E46 M3 and 2nd gen Eclipse GSX.

[HuGo]

Im sure you can take out a V8 mustang and a camaro SS no problem right?

[TT Racing]

Im sure you can take out a V8 mustang and a camaro SS no problem right?

I don't think so. Aren't they low 13 sec cars outta the box?

[HuGo]

I don't think so. Aren't they low 13 sec cars outta the box?

Who knows. I guess ill find out later. lol.


I want to keep my single tip stromung. Its a 2.25" catback. I wonder if it will sound good with the s52.

[Philly]

TT, wasn't that you had went to the track day that was posted a few days ago?

If so, what are you running for suspension? upgraded front and normal ti rear?


and hugo, i thought you got the larger diameter piping made available in the same GB? cause im pretty sure 2.25 is the standard.

Either way, ill let you hear the 2.8 when its done, that'll give you a rough idea if it'll sound good, should be in about 2 weeks or so :D

[HuGo]

The pipe was a 2.0" Marko and I got the 2.25"

For some reason his was sh!t but mine worked perfectly! And its awesome :smile:

[StealthBimmer]

Good luck on the sale and the swap. BTW where did you find the S52 package deal?

[HuGo]

One of those local junkyards/shops.

[Philly]

he's in cali, so those M wrecks are probably a dime a dozen and around every corner! lol

and your right hugo, i forgot the diameters, but either way i will get you good idea of what the muff sounds like with the 6cyl soon

[TT Racing]

TT, wasn't that you had went to the track day that was posted a few days ago?

If so, what are you running for suspension? upgraded front and normal ti rear?


and hugo, i thought you got the larger diameter piping made available in the same GB? cause im pretty sure 2.25 is the standard.

Either way, ill let you hear the 2.8 when its done, that'll give you a rough idea if it'll sound good, should be in about 2 weeks or so :D

Yup, I've been to the track quite a bit lately, and finally got the car to start hooking up. I currently have M3 front H&R Sport springs with Koni adjustables and Ti specific H&R Sport rear w/ Bilstein Sports.

[Philly]

and it tracks no problem, no overthetop unpredictable under/oversteer??
So if i upgrade my front springs, based on your experiences, I should be fine for quite awhile eh?
ive already got heavy duty CA,TR and BJ's... as well as Bilstien sports (which i believe are just E36 specific, not 318 specific)

[cooljess76]

Congrats Hugo, wanna place a bet on who gets their swap done first? I still have to sell a car and find a donor, so you have a nice head start.

[Philly]

jess, do a 2.5 swap and boost the bajeezus out of it ;)

[thesk8nmidget]

jess, do a s52 swap on the cs and boost the bajeezus out of it ;)


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[TT Racing]

and it tracks no problem, no overthetop unpredictable under/oversteer??
So if i upgrade my front springs, based on your experiences, I should be fine for quite awhile eh?
ive already got heavy duty CA,TR and BJ's... as well as Bilstien sports (which i believe are just E36 specific, not 318 specific)

I think you'll be fine.

[HuGo]

TT racing, will i be fine with 318ti bilsten shocks and h&r sport springs?

[atlanta318ti]

I can get 26 mpg in my M3 Sedan on the highway, but that's with no major mods except a CAI. But I'll never give up my trusty TI w/M package. I love the M3 power and handling, but nothing beats taking the TI out (even stock) on twisting back roads. And boy, I'd love to swap the M44 for an S52. BTW, does anyone have a TI in Atlanta with an S52 I could take for a spin to see how understeer and handling is affected before I sink major $$$ into a swap? :) It's weird asking to drive someone's 332TI, though. It sort of feels like asking your buddy if you can have sex with his wife or girlfriend. ;)

[HuGo]

Like harold once said,

"two things in this world you never lend out, your car and your wife/girlfriend."

[HuGo]

What do you guys think...

Should i keep 318ti badge or switch to 332ti badge?

Im leaning towards keeping 318ti badge. What you guys think?

[Marv17]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rwd_king
"jess, do a s52 swap on the cs and boost the bajeezus out of it "


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LOL. good one thesk8nmidget.... haha

and hugo. you're right. those two things are never lent out to NO ONE.

[cooljess76]

I'd worry about it when the time comes, lol.

[StealthBimmer]

I vote for debadge = SLEEPER!:biggrin: Let people find out the hard way.

[HuGo]

I like how the car looks with a badge. Whatever kind, i just think it looks nice. some guy has a 332ts ts= twin screw lol on his ti

[BMW_Hatchback]

Sell me you DASC?

[HuGo]

It will be for sale if sell doesnt come through for next week.

[TT Racing]

TT racing, will i be fine with 318ti bilsten shocks and h&r sport springs?

Depends, for daily driving it'll be fine, but for any kind of serious tracking you'll need to at least switch out the front for M3 units to handle the weight.

[HuGo]

Nah i dont do any serious hard tracking. I i just daily drive and sometimes mess around in my freeways at night. I just have fun in turns and small twisties here and there nothing hard braking or hard cornering. So then i should be fine right?

[TT Racing]

Nah i dont do any serious hard tracking. I i just daily drive and sometimes mess around in my freeways at night. I just have fun in turns and small twisties here and there nothing hard braking or hard cornering. So then i should be fine right?

Yah, I wouldn't worry.

[HuGo]

Since im going to have the engine and tranny out, i think ima get the UUC 8.5flywheel with the M5 clutch for the ZF tranny. Thats a grand on top of the list already :frown:

[1996 328ti]

Guys, i just want to let you know that i will no longer have a Downing Atlanta Supercharger. If sale comes through, it will be gone next week. If not, then it'll be up for sale but still out of the car I cant no longer afford to get/pay 23mpg cuz of the gas prices here in los angeles. This sucks. I really loved this kit, the whine was just OMG! But yea, the gas, cant keep up.

Anyway, I'm purchasing a full S52 swap tomorrow which gives about 20/19 mpg. Its going to take TIME to get it swapped. When ever my dad has time then we will work on it. Unless good o' jesse wants to come and help we can do it faster

Anyway, that's the new plan. 332ti on its way. If im crazy enough, maybe FI also.

I will post pics along the way and i guess this can also be the build thread. I will take pics tomorrow of my current engine bay with the DASC.

Discuss or critisize

So let me get this straight.
You are getting rid of your M44 and DASC for a S52 because of the price of gas?

[HuGo]

So let me get this straight.
You are getting rid of your M44 and DASC for a S52 because of the price of gas?

LoL no. I was being sarcastic.

[1996 328ti]

LoL no. I was being sarcastic.I wouldn't put it past you that you were being serious. :rolleyes:

[chuckrussell]

Hey man how much do you want for the AC compressor? (Assuming you don't reuse yours for the new engine.)

Mine went out and i just can't afford to buy a new one.

Chuck

[Philly]

I vote for debadge = SLEEPER!:biggrin: Let people find out the hard way.

x2! :wink:

Thats my plan, even though right now it is just de-badged anyways in shame of the 1.9... hehehe

[HuGo]

I want a short shifter. You guys think the OEM Z3 (30% less throw) is a good and reasonable one? I think its like 100 bucks.

As far as the alternator goes, i dont want to part the engine, i want to sell it complete.

God i cant wait until its fully done. I pick up the motor tuesday :smile:

[Marv17]

So let me get this straight.
You are getting rid of your M44 and DASC for a S52 because of the price of gas?
haha. yeah. thats what i was saying when he posted that. i was like whhaa??? not making sense. but then again, its hugo.... :tongue:

[HuGo]

I got the big man jess coming with me to pick it up and look at it :smile: If he says go, then its a go, if he says nay, then im leaving it behind. LoL. I will take pics when i get it for those who might be doubtful. I'll even make a mini video with no pauses or cuts showing the crashed integra and the motor within the same frame of the video :biggrin:. Incase someone says i got the pic from somewhere else. Im not trying to be an ass but i have a "history"

[thesk8nmidget]

hahaha im stoked to see this build!

put the history in the past! it is the present NOW ya know!

just give us up with a nice cool build up thread! if people still dont believe you after that, it may be because they envy your soon to be s52

[saintse36]

so sad bro well i know how it is in gas i am paying 120 buck to fill my 530 up know well that price we pay to live in cali. drive it like you can afford it

[HuGo]

I have adjusted my driving habits. Ever since that, ive been getting 23-24mpg lately. I used to always average 20-21.

But yea, ill most likely not do a build thread but more like an update thread of how its coming along.

[saintse36]

i know how it is bro i been getting 28-30 mpg but now i get like 15-18 and some times when i floor it i get 3-6mpg well i guess it comes with the big boy motors
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x12/dlocti/PICT0222.jpg

[jgrimm]

Damn you all...and your big powerful gas guzzling motors

[HuGo]

That'll be sweet if i could get this done by bimmerfest but highly doubtful.

[DustenT]

So let me get this straight.
You are getting rid of your M44 and DASC for a S52 because of the price of gas?

:biggrin:

I haven't been able to get better than 15mpg in town with my s52, I really miss the fuel economy of the DASC setup.

[HuGo]

I should be able to squeeze 19-20 HOPEFULLY since im a smaller car :smile:

Plus you have a lot of upgrades, i'm pretty much going to be a stock S52....for now :_paper:

[HuGo]

The pics :biggrin: I took them at night so thats why it looks darkish.

I have a question, in pic number 4, (M4) are the headers suppose to look bent like that?

[HuGo]

More pics. I dont know how to determine leak down numbers, can someone tell me if those are good numbers? Thanks.

[StealthBimmer]

Heard the good news on the M3 engine by cooljess. Let the fun begin! :cool:

[HuGo]

Yea i want this guy in my car now. Within time it will be done. Lets just hope everything goes great. I wanted to mod it up before it even went into the engine bay but ill just take it easy for right now :smile:

[Marv17]

just do some TLC on the WHOLE thing. make sure everything is clean and ready for future mods. cuz with a stock S52 you'll already know a huge difference.
just line it up for what you want to do with her.

[HuGo]

I think what i might do are short shifter and LTW pulleys. I dont think LTW pulleys will fail smog? Im going to BAR the car. My next mod would be the M50 Manifold. Im keeping the stromung exhaust so i dont need to buy an exhaust :smile:

[Marv17]

dont forget to add a fire extinguisher. LOL
you might blow up the motor and catch it on fire...
lol, jk man. dont take it personal.
but congrats on the new heart of ur ti. it'll be nice and strong. and pretty soon you'll be saying see-ya to E46 M3's.

[HuGo]

Damn, already throwing me the salt :frown:

[thesk8nmidget]

very nice!! and exciting!!

give that baby a scrub down before you throw it in and also do the same to the bay while the m44 is out

[mohaughn]

A strong s52 should have leakdown percentages of less than 10% for each cylinder.

I would be concerned about #2,4, and 5.

Given that you have multiple cylinders with leak down values higher than 10%, and that 4 & 5 are located right next to each other, 20% is definitely high, that engine may have a blown headgasket. If not a headgasket the valve seals on 2,4 and 5 may need to be replaced.

I would definitely let an experienced shop perform a leakdown test on the engine and get a professional opinion on it. I would guess that that engine should atleast be "refreshed."

[Marv17]

im sry man. just had to bust your bubbles....
im just jealous cuz you got one and i wont for another few years. beat most of us at it...
just got to say tho, good job. give her a nice scrub everywhere. look at the hoses and at closely at those numbers. dont know what they exactly mean but you should look into it to see if thats an ideal area it should be at. check valves and gaskets. make sure everything is clean and you'll get the most out of her as a stock S52.
but lets see how you do against Harold's ///M roadster. now that i have to see. lol
maybe ill take a look at it when we pick u up on the way to bimmerfest...

[thesk8nmidget]

from google

A leak down or "cylinder leakage" test is similar to a compression test in that it tells you how well your engine’s cylinders are sealing. But instead of measuring pressure, it measures pressure loss.

A leak down test requires the removal of all the spark plugs. The crankshaft is then turned so that each piston is at top dead center (both valves closed) when each cylinder is tested. Most people start with cylinder number one and follow the engine’s firing order.

A threaded coupling attached to a leakage gauge is screwed into a spark plug hole. Compressed air (80 to 90 psi) is then fed into the cylinder.

An engine in great condition should generally show only 5 to 10% leakage. An engine that’s still in pretty good condition may show up to 20% leakage. But more than 30% leakage indicates trouble.

[mohaughn]

I was trying to go back and edit my post, but the site kept hanging up... Blown headgasket is probably the wrong word. Leaking may fit better.

The other thing that you want is similar readings across all cylinders. Having some cylinders with very different readings can show issues.

The engine will probably run, and run strong. But with values like that if the engine is already out of a car you might as well go ahead and refresh all of the gaskets and seals like valve cover, oil pan cover, head gasket, etc...

The engine will make more power, run better, and last longer. Not to mention the labor will be much cheaper doing it now, rather than waiting for something to go wrong after the engine is already in the car.

[Marv17]

yeah hugo. like what mohaughn said. im not much knowlegdeable on motors nor a mechanic but it sounds logical to do everything now since its out of the car. it'd probbly be a lot easier and cheaper now than later. plus you're making sure that you're putting a nice refreshed motor in and not one that can break down in the future. and not to mention it'll most likely feel stronger since you're all about power.

[thesk8nmidget]

i would deff go through and replace common gaskets and like said many time here if the motor is out always replace the oil pan gasket as it is a PAIN to get to later.

it may be worth it to wait longer to put it in to make it so you dont have to take it back out down the road.

[BobP]

I would definitely check/secure the oil pump nut and replace the pan gasket.

[mohaughn]

Yeah, didn't think about that oil pump nut.. You can buy a predrilled nut, along with securing wire, and the oil pan gasket for 29$ from bimmerworld.

I would also seriously consider a new oil pump and water pump, thermostat, hoses, things like that.

Most people don't go through and do these things, but it is the way to do it right.

[Marv17]

dang hugo. sounds like it'll be a while before the motor is in and running. gotta prep her up before you can drive the hell out of it. better to do now than being a pain in the a** later.
i see another thread coming along... a S52 rebuild/swap thread... with pics of course.

this means you can take your ti out to bimmerfest with us... :biggrin:

[HuGo]

Well my dad is going to look at it closely (mechanic) and we going to see all hoses and ill let him know about all the gaskets. He's not going to just throw that on there. Hes going to like quad check everything before wanting to put it in. Ima ask him about all the gaskets and stuff like that.

Does anyone know the answer to my question about the headers looking like that?

My plans are...

New oil, new plugs, new plug wires, thermostat, short shifter and oil filter for when doing the transplant. Later im going to do pulleys and manifold.

I wanted to upgrade flywheel and clutch but thats out of my range for right now. I'm going to get the necesities out of the way.

[HuGo]

What's with this racing harold thing?

[HuGo]

hahaha im even happier now. i decided to grab the vin off the back of the head of the motor to make sure i didnt get jibbed. i was supposed to be given a motor with 101k miles. instead, they gave me a motor that has 64k miles on it. they wanted 500 more dollars for the lower miles one. i then went back looking for the ecu hoping the vins matched and it did. i guess i lucked out :biggrin:

[thesk8nmidget]

nice!

[HuGo]

Yup. Motor is from a 99' Conv M3. I was supposed to get a 97' E36 M3 Coupe. The motor is pretty new and healthy for a turbo ;) And it came from an automatic so most likely no misshifts.

[cooljess76]

hahaha im even happier now. i decided to grab the vin off the back of the head of the motor to make sure i didnt get jibbed. i was supposed to be given a motor with 101k miles. instead, they gave me a motor that has 64k miles on it. they wanted 500 more dollars for the lower miles one. i then went back looking for the ecu hoping the vins matched and it did. i guess i lucked out :biggrin:

That's cool and all, but there's a chance that the car had 64k when it was purchased and last reported to carfax. Then the previous owner could have put the extra 37k miles on it before he/she crashed it. As for the ECU, that's cool too but remember the motor does have an automatic flywheel so it is in fact an automatic. No biggie though dude, everything is going to work out perfect. I'm not trying to spoil your excitement, s52 here we come!

[HuGo]

He had previously given me a vin (through email) of the motor i was supposed to get. When i looked it up, it indeed said 101,xxx miles on it. I decided to double check the motor that i got and i realized i got a newer motor. Last reported odometer reading from DMV was 1-04-2008. It was given a salvage title from dmv on 2-07-2008 in fairfield, ca at i would guess 64,931 miles. This VIN i got was straight from the motor and not the car itself. Which we didnt see anyway, lol.

[thesk8nmidget]

nice!! makes sense!

[HuGo]

Ive been doing nothing but looking for stuff right now. Looking for an airbox right now. Ima need some new things here and there. I'm reading Jims manual. I have two seperate sheets of paper. List of things needed/changed and other paper questions i have that i didnt get answer too. So i realized the m44 airbox dont work :frown: thats one question answered. So im looking for an airbox now. Ima make my list and start ordering from KOperformance. YES KO. i saved a 200 bucks with them on a fuel pump and fuel filter and i got my stuff delivered quickly. So they got my trust. They have a lot of stuff for real cheap too. I noticed they sell the OEM stuff real cheap.

I can't sleep :shakefis:

[HuGo]

i was thinking into purchasing this :tongue:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=859818

[StealthBimmer]

Maybe jess or someone else will luck out and find a s54 for the swapped. :eek: Now we might be able to reel in the E46 M3. ;)

Give Tischer BMW a try too. They have good prices for genuine parts.

[thesk8nmidget]

and they also give discounts for bmwcca members!

[HuGo]

I cleaned up the cover a lil bit to remove all the dust. Heres 3 more pics.

[thesk8nmidget]

hahah i bet your aching to get that in!

[cooljess76]

Hugo, you should purchase an engine stand or a hoist. Harbor Freight sells them for cheap. Then I'd take the oil pan and valve cover off for starters just to see what we're dealing with. That would be the very least. If you're not happy with the way the valves look and if there's an abnormal amount of sludge or metal in the oil pan, you might consider replacing the headgasket and inspecting the head, but first I'd start by just looking in the two easiest locations for signs of wear or abuse. You don't really want to go rotating the crank or anything as there's no lubrication and you may score the cylinders with dry or dirty pistons. Also, since we don't know how long the motor has been sitting, it wouldn't hurt to spray some brake cleaner and scrub off some of the buildup when you have the valve cover and oil pan off. You might want to have a drip pan or something under it. After you clean it up really good, take a quart of fresh oil and pour it over all of the valves to keep them from corroding. I'm pretty sure that the OEM headers are supposed to be naturally bent like that. If you do decide to get a turbo, you'll need a turbo manifold anyway. I wouldn't go purchasing mods or any unnecessary components just yet. You're going to need your smog equipment and stuff to make the swap smog-legal first. I know for a fact you're gonna need cats, 2 post-cat o2 sensors and possibly a secondary air pump. I'm not positive about the secondary air pump since your car didn't have one to begin with, but it's still OBD2 so you might want to ask a smog station or the state ref. Right on brotha, you/we gotta lot of work ahead of us, but it'll come together soon enough. Be patient.

As for my swap, well I've been thinking outside of the box a little lately:
http://cgi1.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MakeTrack&item=220227348819&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:us

[HuGo]

LoL, im stressing out! I felt like getting a wrench right now and taking off the cover and check things out. I wanted to take off the fan cuz ima do a fan delete. But i gotta wait and i gotta wait. Ima have a talk with my dad tonight i guess so we can plan everything out. I still need to get that crashed GSR out the way to put my Ti in its place.

I hope im not sounding like im "showing off" or anything like that. I'm just excited and anxious :smile:

[HuGo]

LoL yea thx jess. Im not going to mod it just yet. I did but im going to do the things i really need. Ill tell me dad about the oil pan and the heads and all that good stuff.

My priorities right now are...

1.) New Oil
2.) New Spark Plugs
3.) New Spark Wires
4.) New Oil Filter
5.) Fan Delete
6.) New Gaskets (if needed)
7.) Secondary Air Pump (if needed)
8.) Factory Airbox (intake) w/ new filter
9.) Catalytic Converter
10.) Remove injectors and clean them up
11.) Seafoam when done
12.) NewThermostat
13.) New hoses (whatever is needed)
14.) Radiator
15.) Take to state ref and get it BAR

Mods i want to do within the year...

1.) M50 Manifold
2.) Intake
3.) Headers (maybe?)
4.) LTW Pulleys
5.) VANOS Controller (lol jk)
6.) E46 330 Brakes
7.) Z3 Short Shifter

I never really got into it (im going to start learning more about this engine and stuff now) but i here ppl talk about bigger intake (3.5) with injectors and stuff like that. I have no clue how much gain you can get from doing a 3.5 intake but i guess ill learn.

[cooljess76]

The secondary air pump may or may not be required since your car didn't come with one, but more than likely will since the s52 did. It'll help extend the life of your cats, so it's a good idea anyway to look into getting one. The secondary air pump compensates for the rich condition that your car experiences during warm-up from purging the evap system.

The gaskets will need replaced if you take the valve cover and oil pan off anyway, so you might want to start shopping for a set.

The SeaFoam won't be necessary if you do a good job cleaning your valves, oil pan, intake manifold and throttle body with brake cleaner and a nylon brush while you have things apart.

The fuel injectors are best left in the hands of a professional. You could take them to a shop and have them cleaned professionally for cheap and you won't run the risk of screwing them up. I'd replace all of the fuel lines when you have the injectors out, they're probably dry and cracked anyway.

The fan-delete will require a lower temp thermostat and it might be a good idea to replace the waterpump as well while you have the cooling system drained. The Ti radiator may work with the s52, but I wouldn't even consider it with the fan-delete mod. You might also be able to use the Ti's electric fan. I'd look for a Behr or Nissen radiator on ebay. I got mine from these guys for 125 shipped and I received it the next day. The quality was identical to OEM:
http://myworld.ebay.com/radiator-ac-imports

Factory airbox's can be found for cheap at the junkyard or on BF.c, people usually give them away for practically nothing after they install a CAI.

You may also consider getting an s52/m52 brake master cylinder and a clutch slave cylinder.

I'll let you know if I can think of anything else.

[mohaughn]

You should probably try to find an ecu from a manual. Else you are going to have to deal with CELs and other weird problems associated with using an automatic ECU with a manual car. If the ECU can't contact the transmission it will throw a CEL.

At a minimum you will need a different ecu program for what you have. Talk to the guy that bought Dusten's car about the issue he was having with CA state inspection. Should also know how to fix the problem.

[HuGo]

I havent read the manual yet. I havent even started taking my car apart yet. And im already freaking out. Right now im trying to learn as much as i can about the fan delete thing. Some ppl have gain like rwhp and tq by removing the fan. Crazy sheet.

[HuGo]

This thread is bringing a smile on my face :biggrin:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=21826&highlight=fan+delete&page=6

[Marv17]

At a minimum you will need a different ecu program for what you have. Talk to the guy that bought Dusten's car about the issue he was having with CA state inspection. Should also know how to fix the problem.


the governor, aka noah, still has that issue i think. at the monthly SoCal meet we all went to a shop and they couldnt fix the issue. something like what you said, the ecu cant find the auto tranny. last i heard is that he's trying to get other numbers from another customer at the shop to see if it'll work for him.
im gonna ask him on that now that you reminded me of that prob he had....
Hugo, u have a long journey my friend. when it comes time for my swap im gonna hit you up. lol.

[HuGo]

I would love to keep the ECU given to me that way i get the correct miles indicated on the motor.

[HuGo]

Those guys were revving up my motor :frown:
LoL jk. This video clip is literally my motor. I bought it from gildred racing. This is the leakdown video clip to the exact motor i have here at home. I tracked it down on ebay and they had a link to this video. And the reason why i know this is my motor is because on the ebay posting they post down the vin to the motor. And its the vin of the motor i have. Enjoy

Jess, recognize the lil red barn, lol.

XgDJGRCUYB4

[cooljess76]

Sweet! That car didn't even look like it was wrecked. I wonder why they parted it:confused: Atleast now we know the motor runs:wink: Dang Hugo, you're so lucky and you got a heck of a deal. I'm jealous now!

[HuGo]

LoL you know what's funny, i guess they are like an ebay store kinda thing too but i was looking through their page and they have a few things for sale from that car i got my motor from. From what i remember they have the following.... starter, radiator, and brake master cyl.

[mohaughn]

the governor, aka noah, still has that issue i think. at the monthly SoCal meet we all went to a shop and they couldnt fix the issue. something like what you said, the ecu cant find the auto tranny. last i heard is that he's trying to get other numbers from another customer at the shop to see if it'll work for him.
im gonna ask him on that now that you reminded me of that prob he had....
Hugo, u have a long journey my friend. when it comes time for my swap im gonna hit you up. lol.

Yeah, I have a 1998 328i with an automatic transmission that has been having problems for about a year now.. I was ready to drop a few grand into swapping the transmission but when I started talking to the shop that was going to do the work and realized what a pain it is for an OBDII car I decided not to do it...

The wiring harness between an automatic car and a manual car is different. Manual car has clutch switch and reverse switch. The automatic car instead has wiring telling the engine ECU what gear it is in..

If you go onto BfC and read their "official" transmission swap you will see that you have to do some straight up hacking to get your cruise control to disengage when you push in the clutch. The automatic ECU will alter the engine RPM based on what gear you put that autotragic in. Like when you push it up into park or neutral it drops the RPMs. So one hack is to wire the clutch switch into the same sensor that tells the car it is in neutral/park. That will disengage the cruise control. But it also causes the engine RPM to rise and fall. Not to mention you will get a full time CEL that will keep you from passing inspection.

Also, who is making the custom driveshaft for you?

[elchicano]

Yeah, I have a 1998 328i with an automatic transmission that has been having problems for about a year now.. I was ready to drop a few grand into swapping the transmission but when I started talking to the shop that was going to do the work and realized what a pain it is for an OBDII car I decided not to do it...

The wiring harness between an automatic car and a manual car is different. Manual car has clutch switch and reverse switch. The automatic car instead has wiring telling the engine ECU what gear it is in..

If you go onto BfC and read their "official" transmission swap you will see that you have to do some straight up hacking to get your cruise control to disengage when you push in the clutch. The automatic ECU will alter the engine RPM based on what gear you put that autotragic in. Like when you push it up into park or neutral it drops the RPMs. So one hack is to wire the clutch switch into the same sensor that tells the car it is in neutral/park. That will disengage the cruise control. But it also causes the engine RPM to rise and fall. Not to mention you will get a full time CEL that will keep you from passing inspection.

Also, who is making the custom driveshaft for you?


What about if you have an auto with no cruise? Is easier or is still the same thing?

[mohaughn]

The cruise control is really only a problem if you want your cruise control to work. If you don't have cruise, or you don't care about using it, it doesn't matter. You just don't want to be in a situation where you push in the clutch and it doesn't disengage causing the engine to stay under throttle without the transmission being engaged. The engine would rev up.

You would still have to deal with the CEL. The good thing is that there are a lot more ECU tunes available for a M3 3.2 engine than say an m42 or m44. I'm sure their is a fix for the issue, just have to do a little research to figure out what to do...

AA, Technique tuning, Turner, or any of the other big tuners probably have a way to disable that specific CEL just like they can turn off the secondary air pump cel. That is the nice thing about the I6 cars.

[StealthBimmer]

Hugo, you should've wheel and deal with the shop on all the parts that you need for the swap. Might still get a good deal now since you are a repeat customer.

[HuGo]

I think i can use the manual S52 driveshaft. If not my dad said he knows of a place to get it cut.

Damn man, stupi ecu's.

[HuGo]

On one of their ebay listing they actually had a manual car ecu for 10 bucks? lol.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BMW-M3-98-E36-D-M-E-control-box-computer_W0QQitemZ270229924156QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378QQcmdZViewItem

But wouldn't i need the computer for the engine it came from?

[thesk8nmidget]

you would have to get it aligned with the key

[HuGo]

Alright. I needed to chill and relax right now. I grabbed my laptop so that i can lay down and chillax a bit and play some poker :smile:. Right now im going to start reading jims book (for reals this time) and inform myself as much as i can so that in future reference i can possibly help out another member that will be doing a swap and also so that i know what i should be doing when my time to swap comes. I will be taking notes and annotating key stuff. I had to customize jims manual a bit. I have three sheets of paper with...

1.) Swap stuff needed. Buy and/or change parts.
2.) Parts i can keep from current setup to switch over
3.) Questions

I have a few question on my head and i will see if they get answered in the manual. Also by reading the manual itself i will most likely create my own questions.

I gotta learn this new motor now. I recently registered to m3forum.net under 332ti :rolleyes: Anyone happen to know if that's the best m3 related forum or is there a different one?

[S52Commander]

What do you guys think...

Should i keep 318ti badge or switch to 332ti badge?

Im leaning towards keeping 318ti badge. What you guys think?

haha....I've got the 318ti ...heh heh heh:biggrin:

[HuGo]

I Think ima go this route...good idea?

Fidanza Flywheel with an M3 Sachs Clutch

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SACHS-CLUTCH-FIDANZA-FLYWHEEL-BMW-323-325-328-M3-Z3_W0QQitemZ150238922731QQcmdZViewItem

My friend has a friend that is sponsored by fidanza. Hes going to see if he can hook me up with a price. Fidanza alone is 350. So im hoping i get it for like 200-250. And im also hoping with my dads hook ups i can get an OEM M3 sachs clutch for cheaper too.

[thesk8nmidget]

nice! that should do the trick.

whats your dad do?

[HuGo]

My dad is a mechanic.

[thesk8nmidget]

well that will help!

[Philly]

thats the same seller i got my kit from Hugo, except I believe mine was 'HeavyDuty' ... although that was probably just a sales pitch.

Grab it up, you'll love that flywheel! dualmass FTL

[HuGo]

Yea im going to get the flywheel but waiting on my buddy for a cheaper price.

[3DGE]

up here a guy was selling a wrecked s52 m3. I would find a parts car so you can do a interior swap aswell.

[HuGo]

I want to get recaro seats or a nice set of light racing seats.

[3DGE]

I want to get recaro seats or a nice set of light racing seats.

GO VADERS OMG THEY ARE HOT!

[HuGo]

GO VADERS OMG THEY ARE HOT!

LIGHTER SEATS!

[3DGE]

LIGHTER SEATS!
SEXYNESS!

[HuGo]

SEXYNESS!

Im waiting until they finish filming Fast and Furious 4. I might be able to get a set of new recaro's for like 500 bucks.

[3DGE]

Im waiting until they finish filming Fast and Furious 4. I might be able to get a set of new recaro's for like 500 bucks.


hmm another fast and furious, interesting,

[HuGo]

I found some cats. 47k miles with 02 sensors for $275. Good price?

LoL my question is, if i fold seats down and decline the front passanger seat, can i get these to fit in my ti?

[3DGE]

LIGHTER SEATS!

Ok but I would go for leather heated electric vaders

[HuGo]

Nope, i would go with non heaters and cloth seats. I dont want to be slidding around with leather seats. Then what would be the point.

[thesk8nmidget]

plus vaders are HEAVY!

just do us all a favor and get these!

http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20197&highlight=hurricane+cloth

[HuGo]

I wanted to buy these but my friend told me not to go with Tenzo. I really like the design and look of the seats. Also the color :biggrin:
http://www.andysautosport.com/bmw/1992_1998_3_series/interior/seats/racing_seats/tenzo_r/tenz00128023.html

[tiFreak]

if you buy them, don't get them off that site, they took 3 months to ship me a set of turn signals, which it turns out were for a coupe, that was my mistake but 3 months is still a long time to figure out that I had made a mistake

[thesk8nmidget]

they look just like the srd's!

they would look good with your car

[HuGo]

What's srd's?

ANYWAY, will those cats fit in my car? LoL. Picking it up tonight.

[thesk8nmidget]

recaro srd's the link i just sent you were srds

[HuGo]

Oh, i want seats that come out to my ribs or a little bit sitcking out of my ribs that way i stay in one place.

[DustenT]

At a minimum you need to drop the oil pan and secure the oil pump nut. Do a search for OPN on bf.c or m3forums. You should also pull the head and have it resurfaced and replace the head gasket before you do anything. It was likely overheated if it has 20% leakdown, put the time and $ into it now so you KNOW you have a strong motor. Pulling the head once it's installed is a bitch.

You'll need a manual ECU, don't mess with the auto ECU. You'll then need to get your EWS aligned at the dealership before you'll be able to start it. Might want to sell that engine/ecu and find one that will work better for you project.

Good luck, keep us posted.

[HuGo]

Sell the entire engine and find a new one? Cant i just sell the ecu and wiring harness and buy a new one from a manual?

Cant i start the engine with the starter just to make sure everything is good before taking it to the dealer?

[HuGo]

UPDATE:

Supercharger was pulled today. My dad took it out as one piece and I had to dismantle the pieces. Not hard of coarse, but i wanted to take it apart to insure safety of each part and bubble wrap each part so it doesnt get damaged during shipping.

Pics:

[HuGo]

...

The almighty discontinued blower :frown:

[HuGo]

...

[thesk8nmidget]

wish i still had an m44

[HuGo]

wish i still had an m44

Yea, so do i :frown: .......:_paper:

[thesk8nmidget]

no you dont! f#%king liar!!

;)

[HuGo]

hhmmm. I miss the charger wine though :frown:

Cant wait to hear the charger whine in a 6cyl :biggrin:

[thesk8nmidget]

hahahah that will be a nice little sound.

[Bobbak]

hey hugo are u looking to get an active SC the guy at the m shop had the same set up u

s52 with an active sc he said that they will rewrite the ECU for you when u buy the SC for free

[HuGo]

hey hugo are u looking to get an active SC the guy at the m shop had the same set up u

s52 with an active sc he said that they will rewrite the ECU for you when u buy the SC for free

Joe has a 318ti M swap with AA stage 2 pushing 415 some change HP. I wished and would love to get that kit but that kit goes for $8,500.

I was going to upgrade stuff for the motor but ill probably end spending as much as a 4,500 supercharger kit. Im thinking of going with VF or Dinan (i think dinan has a 4500 kit or i might be confusing it with another brand). The 4,500 kit will push like 350rwhp. Ill be happy with that.

[jgrimm]

I'm not going to read the last 11 pages so... Did you end up selling your DASC (and extras) for 3500?

[HuGo]

I'm not going to read the last 11 pages so... Did you end up selling your DASC (and extras) for 3500?

Yes and No. Yes because someone is going to send me money once i pack everything up and give him shipping quote. No because i dont have the money from him yet, lol.

[thesk8nmidget]

get a twinscrew! you can find them used for 4-5 grand

a buddy of mine is putting one in is s52 swapped e30
it will be insane!

[HuGo]

the 8,500 kit from active autowerke is a twin screw supercharger.

[thesk8nmidget]

yeah brand new. wait and get one used.

[HuGo]

Uh oh... look at what my dad brought home. This is exciting cuz it means we should be starting soon :smile:

[mohaughn]

Sell the entire engine and find a new one? Cant i just sell the ecu and wiring harness and buy a new one from a manual?

Cant i start the engine with the starter just to make sure everything is good before taking it to the dealer?

No.. You will not be able to start the car. That is why Dusten said you need to have the EWS aligned *BEFORE* you can start the car.

That motor will work, but I agree with Dusten, I don't think that motor will run that well, just like I said in my earlier post... You can ignore us, and continue to use that motor without looking into why you have 20% leak down on that one cylinder if you like... But don't be suprised if it comes back to bite you in the future... And again, I definitely think you need a manual ECU to be able to pass california inspection.. I would definitely not want to run any sort of power adder on that car with a leakdown result like that... I would also imagine that the motor is well short of its original 230hp.

[HuGo]

No.. You will not be able to start the car. That is why Dusten said you need to have the EWS aligned *BEFORE* you can start the car.


Yea i know that i have to take it to the dealer first. I was just wondering.

When installed ill also do a compression test and see what happens.

[HuGo]

UPDATE:

Full exhaust has been taken out. Getrag tranny has been taking out. Driveshaft is out. The motor is ready to get lifted out. We would have lifted it out today but we didnt have any containers to drain out all the fluids.

Im buying motor mounts this week and hopefully we drop in the motor into the bay next weekend.

I have a question, are 6cyl motor mounts same for 2 or 4dr m3?

Will post more pics later tonight.

[tiFreak]

I have a question, are 6cyl motor mounts same for 2 or 4dr m3?

I would imagine they would be

[HuGo]

The M44 engine has officialy been removed. Also, the S52 has officially been swapped in :smile:

We would have bolted up the tranny as well, but some guy at bfc is trying to rip me off for a new clutch. I paid him, and he has not send them. He has also been avoiding my PMs and email. I already did a claim with paypal. Paypal said it can take up to a month :mad: Also, another member at bfc is doing the exact same thing but its for an expansion tank (if im correct, this is the coolant resorvoir for the M3) :mad: What an idiot to mess up his reputation for 20 bucks.

Hopefully everything is done within a month.

Pics of removal and install will be posted in a few hours.

[dahamler]

If you end up needin a new clutch the ebay flywheel F1 and a stock sachs clutch worked well for me good luck that car will be sic!

[HuGo]

I was getting a brand new sachs clutch from that guy for $200.

[HuGo]

The M44 is so damn tiny!! LoL

The pics...this camera sucks!

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01319.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01321.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01322.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01329.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01333.jpg

[HuGo]

...

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01334-1.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01335.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01336.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01337.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01338.jpg

[HuGo]

.....

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01339.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01342.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/DSC01343.jpg

[HuGo]

A lot of my other pics came out kind of white. There are more pics here of the install and stuff

http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/Hugo332ti/

[thesk8nmidget]

very nice progress!

whats left on the list?

[Marv17]

nice. thats great hugo that its almost going to be done. what else do you have to do until she runs yet again with the new heart?

[HuGo]

We could have done so much yesterday if i would have had the clutch :mad: I think my dad already plugged up the entire wiring harness except for some stuff. Also already put the fan delete kit and new water pump.

Things still needed...

Customize the exhaust, cluster, bolt up tranny, bolt up driveshaft, get new ac hoses from firewall to compresser and the consender, put up the radiator, and take to get ews/ecu aligned. And i think thats pretty much it?

[HuGo]

??????? I bought an airbox from an M3 for the swap. It doesnt fit! Do you guys happen to know if it wont fit at all?

[pnosker]

Try the M Roadster air box.

[M3_KILL3R]

??????? I bought an airbox from an M3 for the swap. It doesnt fit! Do you guys happen to know if it wont fit at all?

just put a SRI on it
go to pepboys pick up an air filter and mod it on...more power...more sound

[tiFreak]

maybe you need an airbox from a sedan, not sure though, I'm kinda guessing since I have no idea why it wouldn't fit, you could just get an intake like Garik said

[thesk8nmidget]

what part isnt fitting? pictures? or explanation?

[HuGo]

Car is pretty much done. Just need to hook up the battery. The battery is in the hatch. The positive wiring has been routed already though. Now i just literally need to hook up the positives and that's it. Car goes to the shop on monday and should be back on the road.

I wanted to surprise the guys saturday but we didn't finish for me to take it today.

I stuck with my Stromung and made a Y pipe. If you look at my sig, you can click link to go to my photobucket and see the Y pipe. Like philly stated, a GOOD 8inches were cut from the stromung :frown: I need to cut the Y pipe smaller from the resonator end or more from my Stromung cuz the tip sticks out way to much.

Will definately post videos when done.

[HuGo]

I also forgot to mention that i bought some seats. My homie hooked me up with one of his homies. It was like new and picked them up for $250 with rails. Too bad the rails didnt fit :mad: So my dad is going to custom make them. Another thing is that my dad needs to custom make something so i can remove the buckle/click thingy from the regular seats to the new seats so i can use my seatbelt. LoL. I thought the buckle was attached to the car (exactly where it sits but onto the car on the side next to the console). But i was wrong.

I'm not as excited as I was, its been 2-3 long months. But of coarse i want my car back!! Ive been wanting to drive my car since forever. But i did enjoy the 28mpg in the integra :smile:

I wont be able to drive it hard cuz of the new clutch and need to break it in. Ill do my best to take it easy for 500 miles :tongue:

[lazoh]

I wont be able to drive it hard cuz of the new clutch and need to break it in. Ill do my best to take it easy for 500 miles :tongue:

wanna bet you don't take it easy? :biggrin:

[HuGo]

I ran my friend's 05' STi yesterday. We were dead even from the get go to where we stopped from 1st to 3rd gear. We did a 1st gear 10mph roll up to 80mph iirc. I would say we were dead even/tie. I was impressed, shocked and happy.

His mods...

Intake, 3" full exhaust (stock headers), Front mount, HKS downpipe (garbage), boost controller and lightly COBB tuning but still running rich.

He had bought an Up&Down pipe and headers that he hasnt installed. Cuz of that race, he is now going to buy his heatshield and install those mods. LoL.

[lazoh]

I ran my friend's 05' STi yesterday. We were dead even from the get go to where we stopped from 1st to 3rd gear. We did a 1st gear 10mph roll up to 80mph iirc. I would say we were dead even/tie. I was impressed, shocked and happy.

His mods...

Intake, 3" full exhaust (stock headers), Front mount, HKS downpipe (garbage), boost controller and lightly COBB tuning but still running rich.

He had bought an Up&Down pipe and headers that he hasnt installed. Cuz of that race, he is now going to buy his heatshield and install those mods. LoL.

Kool!!! What's next for you? Turbo?

[HuGo]

Fully build the motor and get a GT40 :tongue:

[Marv17]

did you ever fix the compression/leak down issue??

[lazoh]

Fully build the motor and get a GT40 :tongue:

I hear you and I'm thinking of picking this one up.

[M3_KILL3R]

I hear you and I'm thinking of picking this one up.

harold if u get that car
i will kill your wife
trick you into marrying a friend of mine
make her divorce you
and take everything
including your car


then ill get the car :biggrin:

SICK WITT IT!

[HuGo]

did you ever fix the compression/leak down issue??

The M Shop did a compression test and they said it was a very healthy motor at 230 and 225 compression all across.

I hear you and I'm thinking of picking this one up.

A fully built motor with a GT40 will destroy that ferrari mija.

[mohaughn]

The M Shop did a compression test and they said it was a very healthy motor at 230 and 225 compression all across.


So what did you do to fix the compression? Those values are considerably different than what you posted when you bought that motor...

And you may have been able to hang with an STI with a rolling start through 1.5 gears, but from a complete stop, or up to 130, an STI will blow you away.. There is no way that a 240(maybe)hp s52 is going to keep up with a 350+hp all wheel drive sti.

I suggest you take your car to a drag strip, find an experienced STI driver, and then see who wins that race.

[HuGo]

So what did you do to fix the compression? Those values are considerably different than what you posted when you bought that motor...

And you may have been able to hang with an STI with a rolling start through 1.5 gears, but from a complete stop, or up to 130, an STI will blow you away.. There is no way that a 240(maybe)hp s52 is going to keep up with a 350+hp all wheel drive sti.

I suggest you take your car to a drag strip, find an experienced STI driver, and then see who wins that race.

I didnt do anything to the motor. Thats what the owner from the M shop told me the numbers were.

And dude...yes i know i wont beat an STI passed 3rd gear and/or 80mph+ or from a launch wtf you think im stupid? I know i can beat a stock evo and stock sti from roll up to 80mph. I dont think his STI is pushing 350. If anythng i think he might be doing like 330 and thats a guess. Also, i can drive his car better than he can. LoL.

But i am not a bit surprised to hear this coming from you :smile:

[lazoh]

[COLOR="blue"]A fully built motor with a GT40 will destroy that ferrari mija.

Its starting to sound to me that no matter what, nothing is to good to beat you, but I bet you that I can take you with my bone stock Z4 on 20s.

[mohaughn]

I didnt do anything to the motor. Thats what the owner from the M shop told me the numbers were.

And dude...yes i know i wont beat an STI passed 3rd gear and/or 80mph+ or from a launch wtf you think im stupid? I know i can beat a stock evo and stock sti from roll up to 80mph. I dont think his STI is pushing 350. If anythng i think he might be doing like 330 and thats a guess. Also, i can drive his car better than he can. LoL.

But i am not a bit surprised to hear this coming from you :smile:

I didn't say anything negative.. Just not sure how a motor goes from having compression issues to having no compression issues. And if you are going to post saying that you can take an STi, expect people to call you on it, because you can't.

[lazoh]

And if you are going to post saying that you can take an STi, expect people to call you on it, because you can't.

Actually you can if the driver of the STI does not know how to drive.

[mohaughn]

Actually you can if the driver of the STI does not know how to drive.

That is taking the driver, not the car..

[lazoh]

That is taking the driver, not the car..

Correct.

[pnosker]

I raced a 2003 STI with my dad's M Roadster with the M50 mani, exhaust, and K&N filter and I beat him... it's an S52 M Roadster, dynos at 290 hp at the rear, and runs 0-60 in 4.55 sec. The STI got 4.82 sec 0-60... so I guess it depends on the year. The ti is lighter than the M Roadster too considerably.

[mohaughn]

it's an S52 M Roadster, dynos at 290 hp at the rear, and runs 0-60 in 4.55 sec. The STI got 4.82 sec 0-60... so I guess it depends on the year. The ti is lighter than the M Roadster too considerably.

That is a great rwhp number at 290.. I've not heard of, or seen an S52 put down 342hp before without FI. A euro motor, sure, but not the US spec ones.. A stock STI will run at that speed, but when you take in any mods, the power jumps up real quick on those.. I've seen a local WRX converted into an STI that puts down 350awhp. A conservative COBB tune with exhaust, intake, etc.. will run somewhere around 350 at the crank. Go with their more aggressive 93 octane tune, and it is well over 350.

[pnosker]

Oh I meant to the flywheel... IDK what I was thinking!

[L84THSKY]

I'm no expert on Subaru cars, but I just ran into a guy from my last company that has one of these STI's. He spent every last nickel he has on this car. When I asked him what was new, he said he did some new larger intercooler system to the car, and some fuel/turbo management upgrade. He told me the car went from 310 WHP to now 360 WHP. I have no reason to doubt this guy, because this car is really tricked out.

That is a great rwhp number at 290.. I've not heard of, or seen an S52 put down 342hp before without FI. A euro motor, sure, but not the US spec ones.. A stock STI will run at that speed, but when you take in any mods, the power jumps up real quick on those.. I've seen a local WRX converted into an STI that puts down 350awhp. A conservative COBB tune with exhaust, intake, etc.. will run somewhere around 350 at the crank. Go with their more aggressive 93 octane tune, and it is well over 350.

[cooljess76]

The STi has a curb weight of 3350lbs and produces 305hp. Lets just say that Hugo's Ti weighs 2800lbs and puts down 240hp as a guesstimate. Is it unreasonable to think that a 332ti might be able to give a car that's 550lbs heavier with only 65 more hp a run for his money? Keep in mind, Hugo has an LSD, a Z3 shifter and a few other goodies. Just my .02

[HuGo]

Its starting to sound to me that no matter what, nothing is to good to beat you, but I bet you that I can take you with my bone stock Z4 on 20s.

This is the most negative thing i have ever heard come from your mouth. No i dont think im invinsible. I know there are a lot of cars out there that can beat me. You asked me what mod is next...and as a joke i said a fully built motor with a GT40. You took that assumption by saying (and this is with me not having a built motor with a GT40) that SUPPOSEDLY i think i cant be beaten by any car? Anyway, you said that...not me. Sure ill run your Z4 and if i lose f*ck it. You can't win them all. I'll do what i have always done when i lose a race...throw the thumbs up and smile :smile: because you can't win them all. But ill tell you this...you are not going to get rid of me that fast...

I didn't say anything negative.. Just not sure how a motor goes from having compression issues to having no compression issues. And if you are going to post saying that you can take an STi, expect people to call you on it, because you can't.

It wasn't so much negative but instead of being like..."you kept up with an sti thats kool" but since its HUGO nooo we gotta be like "that can't be right...lets go into specifics" Im not dumb. Im into the car scene. I know I won't be able to completely beat the sti. But like i mentioned...we went up to redline of 3rd gear almost going into 4th. I was just amazed to have actually kept up with his car for that much. STi are also heavy. Im sure if we were to launch I wont even be able to keep up with it in the lower gears. That's why i said a rolling start. I had raced him just for the hell of it with the supercharger and he took off on me sick. This time, he couldn't lose me in the lower gears like he did with the SC. That car is quick...trust me i know I'm the driver of that car. His car isn't even perfectly tuned yet.

But whatever you know cuz no matter what i say someone has to rant about it. It's kool though, im used to it for...how long has it been like 2-3 yrs? I'm sure if it was jesse that would had said he kept up with an STi or if it was another NON hugo member with a 332 the words would be as simple as "thats awesome congrats!"

LoL if this would have been 3yrs ago I would have been banned right now because who knows what I would have said (bad words, language, terms etc). That's the beauty of being older :smile: You sure do mature (not directly to you mohaugn but to me).

Mohaugn if you ever come to LA ill give you a spin in my car.

[lazoh]

This is the most negative thing i have ever heard come from your mouth. No i dont think im invinsible. I know there are a lot of cars out there that can beat me. You asked me what mod is next...and as a joke i said a fully built motor with a GT40. You took that assumption by saying (and this is with me not having a built motor with a GT40) that SUPPOSEDLY i think i cant be beaten by any car? Anyway, you said that...not me. Sure ill run your Z4 and if i lose f*ck it. You can't win them all. I'll do what i have always done when i lose a race...throw the thumbs up and smile :smile: because you can't win them all. But ill tell you this...you are not going to get rid of me that fast...


You do think you are invinsible and that is that, you have your opinion and I have my opinion about that.

There was nothing negative about my comment, it was just my opinion.

Wanna race let me know and we can set that up, how about the 1/8 mile in Irwindale (every thursday)? Since you claim that top end could be an issue with you, this can work, right?

[HuGo]

You do think you are invinsible and that is that, you have your opinion and I have my opinion about that.

There was nothing negative about my comment, it was just my opinion.

Wanna race let me know and we can set that up, how about the 1/8 mile in Irwindale (every thursday)? Since you claim that top end could be an issue with you, this can work, right?

I guess.

Edit: $20 bucks for a 1/8 mile track...f*ck that. Find a good location. I know of many in Ontario lmao.

[lazoh]

I guess.

Edit: $20 bucks for a 1/8 mile track...f*ck that. Find a good location. I know of many in Ontario lmao.

No way and this is where you and I differ, ilegal racing can cost your car and going to jail. Want me to pay the $20 for you?

[mohaughn]

[COLOR="blue"]It wasn't so much negative but instead of being like..."you kept up with an sti thats kool" but since its HUGO nooo we gotta be like "that can't be right...lets go into specifics" Im not dumb. Im into the car scene. I know I won't be able to completely beat the sti. But like i mentioned...we went up to redline of 3rd gear almost going into 4th. I was just amazed to have actually kept up with his car for that much. STi are also heavy. Im sure if we were to launch I wont even be able to keep up with it in the lower gears. That's why i said a rolling start. I had raced him just for the hell of it with the supercharger and he took off on me sick. This time, he couldn't lose me in the lower gears like he did with the SC. That car is quick...trust me i know I'm the driver of that car. His car isn't even perfectly tuned yet.

Maybe you should take the advice of some other folks and stop living in the past.. I read your post, and responded, had this been in the past, your post would have been blocked and I never would have read it. I would have replied to any person on here just like I did to you. Which is stating that a rolling start to 80mph isn't that good of an indicator of the speed of the car. Your goal all along as been to be able to beat an STi in a race, and even though your car has come a long way, you still have some to go before you can hang with an STi. I love my Ti, but I'm realistic about what it is, and what it can be. It will never be an STi killer.

I'd gladly take you up on the offer to go for a spin in it, and same back to you if you ever come to the east coast.. Although my car really has to be on a track for its high points to shine. A drag car it is not.

[cooljess76]

C'mon guys, lets chill. Stop provoking Hugo, it's his thread, please respect it and try not to get it locked. At the very least, let's keep things on topic.

[elchicano]

Que viva la paz! :biggrin:

Hugo your Ti has come a long way. Keep us updated on what you do next. I have nothing to bring into this thread. But i will give you props and everyone else thats getting into swapping their engines.

[HuGo]

No way and this is where you and I differ, ilegal racing can cost your car and going to jail. Want me to pay the $20 for you?

Pussy.

Maybe you should take the advice of some other folks and stop living in the past.. I read your post, and responded, had this been in the past, your post would have been blocked and I never would have read it. I would have replied to any person on here just like I did to you. Which is stating that a rolling start to 80mph isn't that good of an indicator of the speed of the car. Your goal all along as been to be able to beat an STi in a race, and even though your car has come a long way, you still have some to go before you can hang with an STi. I love my Ti, but I'm realistic about what it is, and what it can be. It will never be an STi killer.

I'd gladly take you up on the offer to go for a spin in it, and same back to you if you ever come to the east coast.. Although my car really has to be on a track for its high points to shine. A drag car it is not.

I never said my car was an sti killer, you did.
Que viva la paz! :biggrin:

Hugo your Ti has come a long way. Keep us updated on what you do next. I have nothing to bring into this thread. But i will give you props and everyone else thats getting into swapping their engines.

I dont see that happening. Im done with updates. No one cares. If i do things to my car, most likely the Socal Team would be the only ones to know.

I was going to go through the trouble of making vids of the exhaust, take offs, rolling starts but nah.

[lazoh]

Pussy.

I call it being smart, you in or what?

[HuGo]

I call it being smart, you in or what?

I dont want you to pay for me but i guess yea whatever.

Lets keep on thing straight though, i have not ONCE mentioned that i was going to beat you or smoke you. So i dont want to hear anything if you win like "What happened hugo i thought you were going to smoke me" or anything like that cuz i never mentioned anything of that sort.

And wait a while cuz the clutch is still new.

[cooljess76]

Can I play?:biggrin:

[StealthBimmer]

Okay with all these testosterone building up you guys should call out all the cali swapped ti and hammer it out all in one day. Best man takes the title! :biggrin:

If it comes down to the other driver can't drive to win a race then the 318ti got a chance to beat a Ferrari or Lamborghini. ;)

[elchicano]

I'll like to see this. Race for the title of the best. I would do it just for the fun of it. Just as long as it's legal, so to the drag strip it is.

[lazoh]

Can I play?:biggrin:

sure can, get your swap done and let's wait for Hugo's clutch to mature even though he has stated that he raced an STI :wink:

[cooljess76]

I'd kill for an Imolarot Z4:biggrin: Chances are this thing will go down long before mine is back up and running, can we make it winner takes all?

I have a brand new M5 clutch, but I'll buy another one after I collect my winnings:tongue:

[HuGo]

sure can, get your swap done and let's wait for Hugo's clutch to mature even though he has stated that he raced an STI :wink:

Yes BUT i never launched or dropped the clutch; it was also only 1 run.

How did I know you would bring that up...hhmm....

[Marv17]

LMAO HAHAHAHAH... i wanna see this go down ... i gotta record this sh*t when it goes down to so proof to the org who has the tightest swapped ti in the SoCal region. god. i can't wait til it comes down to the drag strip. hahhaaha....
alright, so it on between you three and whoever else wants to join onto the challenge??

[HuGo]

At this point, i dont really give a sh!t what happens.