135i vs lambo [Archive] - 318ti.org forum

thesk8nmidget

06-10-2008, 10:36 PM

tiFreak

06-10-2008, 11:47 PM

wow, I really want a 135i now :eek:

CirrusSR22

06-11-2008, 01:59 AM

125 mph on public roads = Jackasses.

Bluebimma

06-11-2008, 02:36 AM

In trafiic....>WEAK!

1996 328ti

06-11-2008, 03:24 AM

125 mph on public roads = Jackasses.Idiots.
They deserve to be driving mopeds.

Philly

06-11-2008, 03:45 AM

besides the point that they are jackasses.... how the heck does a 135i with exhaust/intake upgrades, take out a lambo - that doesn't seem right at all.

Marv17

06-11-2008, 07:22 AM

besides the point that they are jackasses.... how the heck does a 135i with exhaust/intake upgrades, take out a lambo - that doesn't seem right at all.

perhaps the guy in the lambo doesn't know how to drive too well??

Maverix

06-11-2008, 08:18 AM

318tifan

06-11-2008, 09:28 AM

Hah! not bad at all. Though I hate the ending. Wish the 135i won. =\

I'm sorry to disagree with some of the people in the topic, but I think your a jackass for calling those drivers a jackass. I'm not sure about yall; but I hate it when I see a M3 driving 40mph in a 60mph, holding up the line in the 1 lane road. Now i'm not saying that people with fast cars should race 24/7 but they should have fun riding an agile car. If people choose to race, put their lifes in danger, and risk getting their license suspended for 20 years, then I give them major props. And plus, it's on a straight away, so I don't want to hear anyone complaining that they are putting other peoples life in danger. What are the chances that they would get into a wreck? If you are unable to keep the steering wheel in a straight direction, then you might want to think about getting a lambo, regardless of your budget.

are you serious??
i'm all for fast cars going fast.... ON THE TRACK
if you're on public roadway, please drive responsibly as there are people who rely on some sort of standard deviation with the speed limit... if you're going 125mph on a US highway populated by other drivers, that's wayyy too fast and yes you do put other people's lives at risk

so let's recap:
drive responsibly
don't drink and drive.... practice does not make perfect....
that's my public service announcement for the day

Den

06-11-2008, 01:23 PM

besides the point that they are jackasses.... how the heck does a 135i with exhaust/intake upgrades, take out a lambo - that doesn't seem right at all.
Don't forget that the motor is turbocharged and tuned very conservatively from the factory. These guys reprogrammed the ECU for an extra 100 hp.:eek: It was clearly staged with the Lambo driver acting lame, but ~400 hp in a ~3,000-lb car is pretty competitive.

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

Den

06-11-2008, 01:28 PM

Oh yeah, I don't think there's any racing going on here. It looks like they're filming a promo video, not racing.

thesk8nmidget

06-11-2008, 03:29 PM

Hah! not bad at all. Though I hate the ending. Wish the 135i won. =\

I'm sorry to disagree with some of the people in the topic, but I think your a jackass for calling those drivers a jackass. I'm not sure about yall; but I hate it when I see a M3 driving 40mph in a 60mph, holding up the line in the 1 lane road. Now i'm not saying that people with fast cars should race 24/7 but they should have fun riding an agile car. If people choose to race, put their lifes in danger, and risk getting their license suspended for 20 years, then I give them major props. And plus, it's on a straight away, so I don't want to hear anyone complaining that they are putting other peoples life in danger. What are the chances that they would get into a wreck? If you are unable to keep the steering wheel in a straight direction, then you might want to think about getting a lambo, regardless of your budget.

they are complete idiots... there is never a need to go over 100 miles an hour on a road with other drivers on it unless it is a track! END OF STORY!

they can go enjoy their fast cars on the track no need to do it on open roads!
they were putting other peoples lifes in danger.. what happens when someone merges onto the highway and these two cars are doing +100.

sudden moves when going +100 can be deadly!

public roads are not smooth and very safe compared to a track.

tracks save innocent peoples lives!

CirrusSR22

06-11-2008, 04:21 PM

Hah! not bad at all. Though I hate the ending. Wish the 135i won. =\

I'm sorry to disagree with some of the people in the topic, but I think your a jackass for calling those drivers a jackass. I'm not sure about yall; but I hate it when I see a M3 driving 40mph in a 60mph, holding up the line in the 1 lane road. Now i'm not saying that people with fast cars should race 24/7 but they should have fun riding an agile car. If people choose to race, put their lifes in danger, and risk getting their license suspended for 20 years, then I give them major props. And plus, it's on a straight away, so I don't want to hear anyone complaining that they are putting other peoples life in danger. What are the chances that they would get into a wreck? If you are unable to keep the steering wheel in a straight direction, then you might want to think about getting a lambo, regardless of your budget.

Wow. Tell that to the family members of the 40,000+ people who die on US roads every year. These guys are pathetic. Period.

roadrash

06-11-2008, 04:58 PM

but I think your a jackass for calling those drivers a jackass.
I think you are as much of a jackass as the guys in the video since you're obviously the type who would drive like that. And It's YOU'RE, not YOUR.

I don't give a crap if they risk their lives. I don't even much care if they die. However, I DO care if their juvenile, irresponsible actions lead to the death or injury of someone else. Unless it's another jackass, of course.

Marv17

06-11-2008, 05:39 PM

they are complete idiots... there is never a need to go over 100 miles an hour on a road with other drivers on it unless it is a track! END OF STORY!

they can go enjoy their fast cars on the track no need to do it on open roads!
they were putting other peoples lifes in danger.. what happens when someone merges onto the highway and these two cars are doing +100.

sudden moves when going +100 can be deadly!

not trying to stir up any argument but i have to say a lil something regarding this subject.... but clearly some ppl need to come drive here in SoCal. on a daily basis the regular range of driving speed is 70-100pmh on the freeways/highways here. its kind of crazy at times. its a common thing seeing someone drive about 80-90mph on average with ppl around. now, it is dangerous and stupid driving at those speeds with a packed highway but there will always be those few who drive fast at all times regardless of how traffic is. but what can we do? we can promote going to the tracks or taking it to open highway road in the middle of no where is just about it.
for us that are trying to just drive to our destinations we should get out of the way so we don't get caught in some horrific accident.

thesk8nmidget

06-11-2008, 06:06 PM

we really we shouldnt have to get out of the way. and for places with speed limits its reasonable to see people cruising at 80-90 because everyone is going the same speed.

for places that are going 80 with traffic and people are racing from 40-140 that is not acceptable. we shouldnt have to get out of their way. they should be on the roads at all.

blndweasel

06-11-2008, 08:41 PM

And It's YOU'RE, not YOUR.

OH SNAP!

nyle

06-11-2008, 09:16 PM

I'm sorry to disagree with some of the people in the topic, but I think your a jackass for calling those drivers a jackass. I'm not sure about yall; but I hate it when I see a M3 driving 40mph in a 60mph, holding up the line in the 1 lane road. Now i'm not saying that people with fast cars should race 24/7 but they should have fun riding an agile car. If people choose to race, put their lifes in danger, and risk getting their license suspended for 20 years, then I give them major props. And plus, it's on a straight away, so I don't want to hear anyone complaining that they are putting other peoples life in danger. What are the chances that they would get into a wreck? If you are unable to keep the steering wheel in a straight direction, then you might want to think about getting a lambo, regardless of your budget.

this is not an argument that can be won on these forums. marv made the point that people in socal drive fast regularly, but that doesn't make it ok or safe.

Marv17

06-11-2008, 11:20 PM

this is not an argument that can be won on these forums. marv made the point that people in socal drive fast regularly, but that doesn't make it ok or safe.

right... Touché. its not safe.
but irregardless... that video was still kind of cool. since no one was hurt or anything. just amazes me how much hp that 1 series has. oh, i was just using how ppl drive here as an example btw.

thesk8nmidget

06-11-2008, 11:36 PM

yeah agreed the 135 is a beast!

i want one bad! but will wait 10 years

Maverix

06-12-2008, 03:52 AM

I never said it was ok to speed. The point I was trying to get across is that I don't appreciate people who call another a Jackass all because they decide to floor it on a clear road with not a single car ahead of them. So I don't see what "innocent lifes" yall are talking about. Don't believe me? Watch the video again.

I think you are as much of a jackass as the guys in the video since you're obviously the type who would drive like that.

Obviously, you're the type that makes arrogant assumptions. It's your opinion if you think I'm a jackass. But hey, if I ever see your face on the road, I'll be sure to play a little game of bumper tag with you.

If you want to argue and debate, that's fine. If you want to start name calling, don't expect any sort of respect or mercy.

thesk8nmidget

06-12-2008, 04:26 AM

guys cool it! argue over this in pms, no need to make it public.

nyle

06-12-2008, 05:00 AM

But hey, if I ever see your face on the road, I'll be sure to play a little game of bumper tag with you.

-1

guys cool it! argue over this in pms, no need to make it public.

+1

pnosker

06-12-2008, 05:26 PM

but irregardless...

Irregardless? Isn't that a double negative?

roadrash

06-12-2008, 07:26 PM

Obviously, you're the type that makes arrogant assumptions.
And just imagine... that's one of my MINOR character flaws. LOL

And as for the other comments... meh. Whatever. Have a nice day.

mohaughn

06-12-2008, 10:02 PM

Don't forget that the motor is turbocharged and tuned very conservatively from the factory. These guys reprogrammed the ECU for an extra 100 hp.:eek: It was clearly staged with the Lambo driver acting lame, but ~400 hp in a ~3,000-lb car is pretty competitive.

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

Proceed is way to agressive of a tune.. And it's not really a tuner at that, just a piggy back... It is not making any changes to the computer management itself, rather it is just faking signals to the computer... It instantly voids the warranty on the engine, all drive components, and all emissions components...

Not to mention that the drive shafts and differentials on the 335 can't handle the extra power... I know people say these things are rock solid now with the extra oil cooler, but that is just not the case when you are running the really aggressive tunes out there.

tiFreak

06-13-2008, 01:36 AM

But hey, if I ever see your face on the road, I'll be sure to play a little game of bumper tag with you.

I think that comment moves you down to the "jackass" category you're trying so hard to defend :rolleyes:

1996 328ti

06-13-2008, 02:22 AM

Com'on guys. Settle down.

Bobbak

06-13-2008, 03:38 AM

Com'on guys. Settle down.

+1000

you're the admin :)

Marv17

06-13-2008, 05:29 AM

pnosker ya caught me :biggrin: oops. was thinking to much on the message than correct spelling. mi culpa senorito.

Borg561

06-13-2008, 07:39 AM

there is never a need to go over 100 miles an hour on a road with other drivers on it unless it is a track! END OF STORY!

So if you were on an unrestricted part of the Autobahn in an M6 that had the top speed limiter removed, you wouldn't be tempted to dip into triple digit speeds or try to max the car out? ;)

they were putting other peoples lifes in danger..

No argument from me there.

And plus, it's on a straight away, so I don't want to hear anyone complaining that they are putting other peoples life in danger. What are the chances that they would get into a wreck? If you are unable to keep the steering wheel in a straight direction, then you might want to think about getting a lambo, regardless of your budget.

It's not just about keeping the steering wheel straight. What if an animal runs out into the road, or one of the tires blows out? I'm pretty sure keeping a car straight is a lot harder after a blowout at 125mph than it is at 70-80mph.

From the looks of traffic, I will say it was stupid to be doing that. Doing something like that you also run the risk of getting pulled over. Been there, done that (at those speeds).

Was it staged? Hard to say. One thing we need to remember is they were doing rolling starts. If you ever look at a comparison test in some of the major auto magazines, you'll sometimes notice that the fastest car 0-60 is not always the fastest 5-60 or 25-60. Gearing plays a big part.

Justin

Den

06-13-2008, 11:56 AM

Proceed is way to agressive of a tune.. And it's not really a tuner at that, just a piggy back... It is not making any changes to the computer management itself, rather it is just faking signals to the computer... It instantly voids the warranty on the engine, all drive components, and all emissions components... Not to mention that the drive shafts and differentials on the 335 can't handle the extra power... I know people say these things are rock solid now with the extra oil cooler, but that is just not the case when you are running the really aggressive tunes out there. Okay, it uses a piggy-back box instead of reprogramming the ECU. I have no idea of the merit of the product or the wimpiness of modern BMW drivelines. I was just pointing out that, longevity aside, miraculous power gains are possible when dealing with boost, and the 135 in the video has more than just exhaust and intake mods.

IMO, the factory tuning of 8.5 psi for 300 hp / 300 lb-ft from a 3.0-liter turbo is pretty conservative. If the tuning is due to inability of the driveline to handle more torque, well, that just seems weak compared to the robust nature of old-school BMW hardware.

These guys are running ~50% more torque on stock E28 drivelines, and the E28 is ~300 lbs lighter than the E90. Weaker drivelines on bigger, heavier cars? Technical progress?

http://www.turbochargingdynamics.com/product-36-6-14-e28_533i_535i_Stage_2.php
:biggrin:

thesk8nmidget

06-13-2008, 06:53 PM

So if you were on an unrestricted part of the Autobahn in an M6 that had the top speed limiter removed, you wouldn't be tempted to dip into triple digit speeds or try to max the car out? ;)

not going to get into a huge discussion but the autobahn has drivers that are considerate of the fast drivers and know to get out of the way. its still unsafe but i dont know if i could resist trying it out but i would rather find one of the old country roads without a speed limit before i went and put others lives in danger

mohaughn

06-17-2008, 06:29 PM

Okay, it uses a piggy-back box instead of reprogramming the ECU. I have no idea of the merit of the product or the wimpiness of modern BMW drivelines. I was just pointing out that, longevity aside, miraculous power gains are possible when dealing with boost, and the 135 in the video has more than just exhaust and intake mods.

IMO, the factory tuning of 8.5 psi for 300 hp / 300 lb-ft from a 3.0-liter turbo is pretty conservative. If the tuning is due to inability of the driveline to handle more torque, well, that just seems weak compared to the robust nature of old-school BMW hardware.

These guys are running ~50% more torque on stock E28 drivelines, and the E28 is ~300 lbs lighter than the E90. Weaker drivelines on bigger, heavier cars? Technical progress?

http://www.turbochargingdynamics.com/product-36-6-14-e28_533i_535i_Stage_2.php
:biggrin:

I think it is just like tuning any car. If you do something that adds an extra 100 hp, you should expect to have to upgrade other parts of the car to keep up with the extra power. If you are doing a lot of hard launches or drifting with all of that extra power, combined with really sticky tires I'd expect things to break.

I think they are amazing cars, and the tune may be conservative, but it is not a sports car... Dinan seems to make a big difference between their ECU tune, and the piggy-backs out there. Whether dinan is full of it, I don't know, I don't know enough about how those things really work.

But you know.. considering how unreliable some Lambo's can be, the agressively tuned BMW is probably still more reliable..