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Turboready
09-30-2008, 04:20 PM
Apart from DASC, anyone else is turbocharged? I am rebuilding a friends m42 and want to turbocharge the engine. I have built manifolds but wanted to know if anyone here already went that route.
Thanks.
elchicano318ti
09-30-2008, 04:24 PM
People have started but they don't seem to finish. Use the search button and look up turbo engines you'll see why. These engines just can't take a turbo like other turbo engines.
Turboready
09-30-2008, 04:46 PM
People have started but they don't seem to finish.
I have seen that doing a search, guys just gave up on it.
Use the search button and look up turbo engines you'll see why. These engines just can't take a turbo like other turbo engines.
The engines can take turbocharging, I have seen it done on the same m42 and m44 engines in the e30 318i and is and the e36 318is. I will be rebuilding the engine as well with FI in mind.
The only problem I see is fitment into the engine bay. I will be receiving the car soon and will do some measurement. I have to turbocharge it for this guy so its a must.
Thanks for the reply and I will follow up with this.
Cheers.
elchicano318ti
09-30-2008, 04:53 PM
Well then lets just see how this works out for you. I bet Jess will have an opinion about this.
spidertri
09-30-2008, 04:59 PM
We have been let down too many times to count with these turbo builds. Don't expect a lot of love, but if you do pull it off, make sure to rub it in our faces, lol.:biggrin:
Good luck with it.
mohaughn
09-30-2008, 05:04 PM
People have started but they don't seem to finish. Use the search button and look up turbo engines you'll see why. These engines just can't take a turbo like other turbo engines.
The motors have nothing to do with it.. The problem is that people come on here and think that they can do a DIY turbo for less than 1000$... I think the cheap nature of these cars, combined with people not wanting to spend more than the car is worth is what causes most of the DIY projects to fail. Not the engines...
There are plenty of examples of very well running M42 turbo engines. I've posted links to one putting down well in excess of 250 rwhp several times..
Turboready
09-30-2008, 05:07 PM
We have been let down too many times to count with these turbo builds. Don't expect a lot of love, but if you do pull it off, make sure to rub it in our faces, lol.:biggrin:
Good luck with it.
I promise LOL
I will have a friend of my come over with his e30 318is which he personally turbocharged. The engine has high millage and still pulls strong boosting at 13psi. He is pushing it to the limits slowly since he is rebuilding an m50 which I got for him. He is coming by later I will take pics and post them here.
I have worked on the e36 318is when it was just rebuilt and turbocharged, the shop could not get it to ilde so it ended up in my hands. After spending an hour on it I discovered that the exhaust flange bolts had bottomed out leaving a 1/16" opening, causing it not to idle. That car is still being driven as a DD and going strong after a year.
It has been done many times, as i said my concern is getting everything to fit.
Turboready
09-30-2008, 05:11 PM
The motors have nothing to do with it.. The problem is that people come on here and think that they can do a DIY turbo for less than 1000$... I think the cheap nature of these cars, combined with people not wanting to spend more than the car is worth is what causes most of the DIY projects to fail. Not the engines...
There are plenty of examples of very well running M42 turbo engines. I've posted links to one putting down well in excess of 250 rwhp several times..
Yes 250 rwhp sounds totally possible. Wow, $ 1000 :D My guy will be pumping in about $ 4000 into this, I already have the turbo a GT28S and piggy back with extra boost injectors, just have to see if I should buy a manifold or build one.
mohaughn
09-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Going with stand alone engine management is key as there is no off the shelf tuning that will work. This is where most projects fail.
For extra room in the engine compartment. Check out the coil-on-plug conversions. That will allow you to remove the coil pack. If you also remove the winder washer reservoir and battery that will give you plenty of room on the passenger side of the engine compartment. The one very nicely done turbo setup that I've seen done in this fashion has a slight dent in the strut tower to give some extra room for the turbo casing.
Turboready
09-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Going with stand alone engine management is key as there is no off the shelf tuning that will work. This is where most projects fail.
For extra room in the engine compartment. Check out the coil-on-plug conversions. That will allow you to remove the coil pack. If you also remove the winder washer reservoir and battery that will give you plenty of room on the passenger side of the engine compartment. The one very nicely done turbo setup that I've seen done in this fashion has a slight dent in the strut tower to give some extra room for the turbo casing.
I intend to do the coil on conversion and later build a MS stand alone for him. I had to do all the mods you speak of to get room for my 87 e30 325is when I turbocharged it 5 years ago. We built the entire kit ourselves. Here are two pics of the setup.
http://www.turboready.com/Pictures/TurboRig.JPG
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=80536&stc=1&d=1221488592
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Turboready
09-30-2008, 07:06 PM
This just came in, will be using the same company for the ti
My e30 325i stage 4 clutch kit was just dropped off by the shop guys. It has rated clamping force handling up to 600 HP with roller bearings custom fitted into the pressure plate inner fingers. The normal pressure plates have pivot points, but this one has been CNC milled to use roller bearings for a OEM clutch pedal feel with a huge clamping force.
The company promised to email me pics of the cut and roller bearings which I will post here, man I love this and cant wait to get other customers on board.
Will check back later, have to look at the cooling system on a 98 Toyota Hilux Diesel right hand drive SUV out of Japan :D
http://www.torkndork.com/pics/BULLY%20STAGE%204%20600HP%20CLUTCH%202.jpg
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BMW_Hatchback
09-30-2008, 07:19 PM
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
Turboready
09-30-2008, 09:26 PM
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
Thanks, it is :D
Turboready
10-01-2008, 11:12 PM
Was not kidding ya guys, we bought the 318i for the engine and gearbox. It's too bad we have to strip this car it's in a 8/10 condition, very, very little rust, engine is quiet with no leaks, gearbox feels like it has grease in it, no vibration and responsive.
I have a Turbo Diesel Toyota Hilux Surf belonging to a friend, just doing the rad on it and hopefully, we can pull the engine and tranny from the 318i this weekend.
I will be posting all the progress on my forums and will link it here for you guys to follow. I won't be answering questions promptly being quite busy with this project, but will check from time to time.
Hang tight :D
Turboready
10-01-2008, 11:17 PM
Here is my Buddy's ti we are doing the build for.
cooljess76
10-02-2008, 12:34 AM
This project has potential! Sounds like you have a good grasp on things and you're going about it the right way. Most of the failed projects I've seen were done out of people's driveways using old tired engines and budget parts. Please tell me that you'll be doing a complete engine refresh before you turbo it. I wish you the best of luck and eagerly await the results. Please don't leave us hanging.
Turboready
10-02-2008, 12:47 AM
This project has potential! Sounds like you have a good grasp on things and you're going about it the right way. Most of the failed projects I've seen were done out of people's driveways using old tired engines and budget parts. Please tell me that you'll be doing a complete engine refresh before you turbo it. I wish you the best of luck and eagerly await the results. Please don't leave us hanging.
Hi Jess, we are doing a complete engine rebuild with a refreshed gearbox, mating the two with a performance clutch. The engine has 250,000 km which equates to 155,000 miles so a nice engine to rebuild and boost.
Hell, my Euro e30 has less than 50,000 original miles on it and I will still pull the head for a refresh and put together with ARP studs.
My motto is, "We either do it right or we don't do it" so it will be done right :D
Thanks so much for your kind words and encouragement, very much appreciated and will keep you guys posted for sure.
I do have my own forums and will be documenting the progress there, I may start a thread there tonight and link it here for you guys to follow.
Thanks again Jess.
Fagerheim
10-02-2008, 01:06 AM
Turbo on these engines is fully possible and runs sweet...
A company in norway makes plug and play kits for the M44 and M42 engine... They have pulled alot power of these engines...
The kit includes:
T34 Turbo w\ westagate...
Turbo Exhoust manifoil...
Oil tubes to and from the turbo...
blow off...
Intercooler...
Intercooler pipes, with silicon tubes and clips...
and more I cant translate to english...
Its everything... exept the chip / map for the ECU... and those that spray the gasolin (dont know the name...) need 400cc to run smooth...
at 0,5bar it should pull 200-210HK ... (they got papers on it)
If anyone want I could get this kit and ship it... but it will be expensive...
Turboready
10-02-2008, 01:15 AM
If anyone want I could get this kit and ship it... but it will be expensive...
The red text in your post is everyone's poison here :biggrin:
BMW_Hatchback
10-02-2008, 01:20 AM
heck yeah, I can't even afford a keyboard....wait a second....
budget76
10-02-2008, 01:23 AM
looking forward to this build:cool:
Any chance he wants to sell me the rain deflectors that go over the front windows?:biggrin:
tiFreak
10-02-2008, 01:42 AM
I can't wait to see this done :) is that the stock steering wheel on the donor car? I didn't know any E36's came without airbags, and is the bumper grill on the ti covered or something? :confused:
Turboready
10-02-2008, 04:21 AM
Any chance he wants to sell me the rain deflectors that go over the front windows?:biggrin:
We can get you those :)
Turboready
10-02-2008, 04:24 AM
I can't wait to see this done :) is that the stock steering wheel on the donor car? I didn't know any E36's came without airbags, and is the bumper grill on the ti covered or something? :confused:
Ya it's stock. Here is a pic regarding the bumper before it was painted.
tiFreak
10-02-2008, 04:26 AM
where's the pic? lol
Turboready
10-02-2008, 04:28 AM
where's the pic? lol
Uploaded it and had to remove it until I blocked out his plate number :)
tiFreak
10-02-2008, 04:30 AM
oh, lol, that reminds me of the look I was going for when I zip-tied chrome mesh to my stock grill, his came out much better :rolleyes:
Turboready
10-02-2008, 04:35 AM
oh, lol, that reminds me of the look I was going for when I zip-tied chrome mesh to my stock grill, his came out much better :rolleyes:
LOL Ya he did some cutting and it came out great especially after it was painted.
Maverix
10-02-2008, 05:26 AM
I've turbonated my car :biggrin:
I was gonna write a guide but someone else beat me to it. :frown:
http://www.318ti.org/forum/showpost.php?p=193817&postcount=2
Btw, how much would a turbo'd ti sell for with average mileage (100k)?
Turboready
10-02-2008, 05:30 AM
I've turbonated my car :biggrin:
I was gonna write a guide but someone else beat me to it. :frown:
http://www.318ti.org/forum/showpost.php?p=193817&postcount=2
Btw, how much would a turbo'd ti sell for with average mileage (100k)?
OMG is that guy for real? :biggrin:
Now that you guys were so successful at "turbanating" your cars, I wanna go your route :smile:
Maverix
10-02-2008, 05:34 AM
OMG is that guy for real? :biggrin:
Now that you guys were so successful at "turbanating" your cars, I wanna go your route :smile:
Lol naw. We were just making fun of some tard. Here is the original thread:
http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?p=193817#post193817
Makes me laugh every time I think about it :biggrin:
Turboready
10-02-2008, 05:42 AM
Lol naw. We were just making fun of some tard. Here is the original thread:
http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?p=193817#post193817
Makes me laugh every time I think about it :biggrin:
The guy I was referring to was the one in the first link you posted. I nearly fell backwards in my chair laughing at the thread following your second link. You made me wake up the entire neighborhood LOL.
Those guys were too funny.
Maverix
10-02-2008, 05:44 AM
The guy I was referring to was the one in the first link you posted. I nearly fell backwards in my chair laughing at the thread following your second link. You made me wake up the entire neighborhood LOL.
Those guys were too funny.
Yes, I know. Read the second post on the last link I just gave.
Turboready
10-02-2008, 06:49 AM
Yes, I know. Read the second post on the last link I just gave.
I did, that's the first one which made be almost fall off my chair laughing.
budget76
10-02-2008, 07:03 AM
We can get you those :)
That'd be great. I've found them on ebay, but I really don't want to pay $60 for two pieces of plastic. I know they're custom fit for just the TI, but when I can find some for $10 for a regular e36, $60 seems ridiculous
Turboready
10-02-2008, 07:13 PM
That'd be great. I've found them on ebay, but I really don't want to pay $60 for two pieces of plastic. I know they're custom fit for just the TI, but when I can find some for $10 for a regular e36, $60 seems ridiculous
Ok then I withdraw my offer LOL Guess they know you ti guys like spending big bucks on your cars so the jacked up the price for the ti ones only :D
BMW_Hatchback
10-02-2008, 08:59 PM
<<in Arnold Voice "It's Turbo Time"
Turboready
10-02-2008, 09:04 PM
<<in Arnold Voice "It's Turbo Time"
"I'll Be Back" LOL
Fagerheim
10-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Well... il build / add turbo on my car, thats 100% sure... But i dont know when I can do it...
In norway ppl build turbo cars not supercharger cars...
A local guy here got a BMW E30 with 420whp! turboed ;D
Turboready
10-03-2008, 03:14 AM
Well... il build / add turbo on my car, thats 100% sure... But i dont know when I can do it...
In norway ppl build turbo cars not supercharger cars...
A local guy here got a BMW E30 with 420whp! turboed ;D
There are guys in the US getting over 500 rwhp from an e30
Turboready
10-03-2008, 03:49 AM
I can't wait to see this done :) is that the stock steering wheel on the donor car? I didn't know any E36's came without airbags, and is the bumper grill on the ti covered or something? :confused:
My Buddy said you were talking about this mod, not the one in the pic I posted before. Going to get some air scoops in the openings soon :D
tiFreak
10-03-2008, 04:25 PM
cool, are the scoops going to be kind of ram induction setup or are they going to be brake ducts? or something else?
Turboready
10-03-2008, 09:09 PM
cool, are the scoops going to be kind of ram induction setup or are they going to be brake ducts? or something else?
Brake ducts, he will need it after the turbo installation :tongue:
Watchmyradical
10-03-2008, 10:14 PM
a friend in high school was a forgien exchange student from sweden and this is one of his friends cars over there. they love big turbos or turbs as they call like to call them.
http://www.garaget.org/?car=75132
tiFreak
10-04-2008, 12:26 AM
a friend in high school was a forgien exchange student from sweden and this is one of his friends cars over there. they love big turbos over there.
http://www.garaget.org/?car=75132
:dribble: oh, god, I want it
Turboready
10-04-2008, 03:00 AM
That's awesome, one unique turbocharged car.
Turboready
10-04-2008, 03:06 AM
Guys, I did some research on the oil pump for the m42 engines. I discovered that if the gasket through which the pump picks up oil is blown inwards, the pump will suck air and your oil pressure will drop. A clear indication is noisy hydraulic lifters.
I think the m42 is the only engine with this design, you guys should look into it if you seem to have very noisy lifters.
Turboready:
you seem to be the guy for this question, so here it is....
Take a look at this link and tell us if you think this is the correct application for the M42/M44 engines...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-TURBO-HEADER-MANIFOLD-BMW-E36-M42-M44-318i-is-ti_W0QQitemZ140271030009QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
For those of us that don't have the knowhow on welding and creating custom engine parts....
Thanks in advance...:cool:
Turboready
10-04-2008, 05:17 AM
Turboready:
you seem to be the guy for this question, so here it is....
Take a look at this link and tell us if you think this is the correct application for the M42/M44 engines...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-TURBO-HEADER-MANIFOLD-BMW-E36-M42-M44-318i-is-ti_W0QQitemZ140271030009QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
For those of us that don't have the knowhow on welding and creating custom engine parts....
Thanks in advance...:cool:
Yoda, it's difficult to tell from pics the true quality of a product and of course without bolting it up, difficult to tell how well it fits and how much clearance there is.
On the other hand, I am sure they did their homework before selling it and honestly, there is quite a bit of work in that manifold. The amount of tig welding there takes time and so do the cuts. He did not specify the type or thickness of stainless steel he used but again I am sure it's of good quality with the effort they put into it.
Though many people build their kits with bottom mounted turbos, I do prefer top mounting them for several reasons.
At the end of it all, I do think it's worth a try.
Cheers.
So...
would you say that the OBX kit manifold & down pipe, plus this kit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/V-BAND-T3-T4-TURBO-KIT-BMW-E30-E36-E39-E46-325I-328I-M3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec 0Q2em14QQhashZitem250303218155QQitemZ250303218155
would make a complete Turbo Kit for our 318's???...
would there be any other parts missing? :biggrin:
Just trying to get a feel....
Thanks for the input in advanced Turboready!... :cool:
Turboready
10-04-2008, 04:17 PM
As far as the ebay turbo kit is concerned I cannot and will not make any recommendations on it.
I just did a search on Google and came up with this first from the VW guys http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3881584&page=5
The first problem with the charge pipes is that they have no bead forming so under boost they can come apart.
The biggest worry is the quality of the turbo. If one little piece of that turbo compressor wheel comes apart under boost, your engine will be severely damaged or completely destroyed. I have seen copies of Garrett and a few other big name turbos disintegrate and destroyed engines, one I was told about as late as 2 weeks ago.
A turbo is the core of the whole FI equation, unfortunately if it fails, it can take down your entire engine too.
IMO it's better to buy a turbo of known quality and brand than risking the life of your engine. It will give you peace of mind under boost.
Unless someone tests a particular turbo from ONE know Chinese manufacturer there is no way of knowing how good it is.
The problem is that there are a few companies copying the turbos so it's a hit or miss buying one of these.
Buy the kit without the turbo and get a new or used turbo from a known manufacturer.
..
Turboready
10-04-2008, 04:32 PM
When I complete this rebuild and turbo project, you guys will have first hand information on what works best and all the other related information so badly needed regarding the ti.
I can't wait to start the build, just waiting on my Buddy, the owner of the ti to get some things in place. I am as excited doing it as much as being the owner of the car. :D
budget76
10-05-2008, 07:39 PM
Ok then I withdraw my offer LOL Guess they know you ti guys like spending big bucks on your cars so the jacked up the price for the ti ones only :D
ah comon, you know he doesn't want those ugly things on his car anymore:tongue:
Turboready
10-08-2008, 03:23 PM
ah comon, you know he doesn't want those ugly things on his car anymore:tongue:
LOL Ok I will pull them off for you.
Parts are ordered guys, more pics coming soon :biggrin:
budget76
10-08-2008, 05:36 PM
LOL Ok I will pull them off for you.
Parts are ordered guys, more pics coming soon :biggrin:
Haha, not only if he doesn't want/like them. Not trying to take another TI guy's stuff:cool:
dave45056
10-09-2008, 12:05 AM
Guys, I did some research on the oil pump for the m42 engines. I discovered that if the gasket through which the pump picks up oil is blown inwards, the pump will suck air and your oil pressure will drop. A clear indication is noisy hydraulic lifters.
I think the m42 is the only engine with this design, you guys should look into it if you seem to have very noisy lifters.
Noisy lifters? I thought all bmw's had noisy lifters for a couple seconds on start-up
REDIS
10-09-2008, 09:40 PM
equal length mani? top mount? I have a log mani w/ no top mount and I had to cut the motor mount for it to clear.
M3ti-ish
10-18-2008, 08:19 AM
awesome project dude! i am actually in the works to turbo my 96 ti! i have built a 408awhp 06 sti so i figure i might as well boost the ti seeing a fully built m3 engined boosted would cost about 10k! what stand alone are you gonna run? AEM? pm me
Turboready
10-22-2008, 03:16 AM
Hi Guys,
Just an update, I was away for a while, some time spent in the US to import my stuff. I have everything we need for now to get the project underway. I have to rebuild the engine first, do the 5 speed swap and some brake upgrades before we start the turbo build. I think we will be moving fast on this project as everything should go according to plan.
I have attached a pic of some parts I imported, some of which are for my e30 325i turbo project build as well.
I will make some time to get back to you guys with answers.
trickiekid
10-22-2008, 04:51 AM
3 turbo kits? Wow, deep pockets and adventurous lol. What other cars are you going to turbo? I know about the 325i project, enlighten us... Good luck with the boost!
kickass95318ti
10-22-2008, 04:52 AM
damn i can't wait to see this when ur done!! i'm considering a turbo project for my ti soon. maybe over the summer when i get some money. hopefully my mom will let me store my car in the garage for this.
Turboready
11-04-2008, 10:10 PM
damn i can't wait to see this when ur done!! i'm considering a turbo project for my ti soon. maybe over the summer when i get some money. hopefully my mom will let me store my car in the garage for this.
Thanks Bud!
Hi Guys, sorry for not posting before, my ISP was down since Friday, huge crap with my phone service provider switching me to VOIP and disabling my analogue ADSL high speed service.
They hooked me up with 10 meg download and 900K upload web browsing free for a month until they solve this.
We have pulled the m42 and gearbox from the 318is to rebuild for the 318ti. Making preparation to start the overhaul and rebuild for the turbo.
Will keep you guys updated.
Raph
Turboready
11-05-2008, 05:32 PM
Last night we pulled off the gearbox and stripped the engine from all of the externals. Pulled the valve cover off and could not believe how clean it was in the head, the cams have almost ZERO wear, just loving it.
I will hopefully strip the entire engine by tonight. We will then clean up pistons, cams etc. We will bead blast the block, prep it and paint it. Soak all the aluminum pieces for cleaning.
rik89
11-05-2008, 06:06 PM
good stuff man, this is really interesting, it appears that theres a lack of turbo available for the ti, just that easc thing(which looks pretty good actually) but not that many people seem to talk about their own experience with them.
what are you going to do about the compression ratio?
you just leaving is stock and running low boost or are you going to modify the rods/pistons etc to compensate?
cheers n gd luck!
Turboready
11-05-2008, 09:54 PM
good stuff man, this is really interesting, it appears that theres a lack of turbo available for the ti, just that easc thing(which looks pretty good actually) but not that many people seem to talk about their own experience with them. what are you going to do about the compression ratio? you just leaving is stock and running low boost or are you going to modify the rods/pistons etc to compensate? cheers n gd luck! Thanks Rik. Yes, there is a lack of turbo kits available for this motor indeed, we might build a few once we get this all done and tested. Might look at reducing the compression a bit with a thicker head gasket with safe boost. I would like to keep the stock internals, seen them held up some half decent boost. Will keep you posted. Cheers.
Turboready
11-09-2008, 03:14 AM
We pulled the engine apart guys, I was totally impressed, not shocking to see absolutely no wear on this engine. Cross hatch patterns looks like they were done yesterday, no ridge on the top of the cylinders. Everything was well oiled and came out so freely, rings on all the pistons were all free and fairly clean, engine was running good.
Turboready
11-09-2008, 03:16 AM
More pics before the build.
trickiekid
11-09-2008, 03:02 PM
Wow, that engine looks like they just built it. How many miles were on it?
Turboready
11-11-2008, 03:39 AM
Wow, that engine looks like they just built it. How many miles were on it?
Yes it's clean and was maintained. It had 133,000 miles on it.
Turboready
11-11-2008, 03:47 AM
Today we did some cleaning of the aluminum parts, stripped the block from rust, prepped and painted it. They all came out really nicely.
Here you can see my buddy cleaning, prepping and painting.
bmdubya
11-11-2008, 07:26 PM
sweet project dood... im in for the ride... gl on the project
Turboready
11-20-2008, 04:39 AM
sweet project dood... im in for the ride... gl on the project
Thanks Bud.
Head is all torn apart, hot tanked and will be media blasted. Will have a three angle valve grind, new valve guides, seals and resurfaced.
Pics coming soon :biggrin:
Turboready
11-21-2008, 06:08 AM
Hi Guys,
Head is now completed, we are waiting on ring set and bearings to come in and we are will be ready to start the build. After this one is done, my buddy George who is working on this project will do his M50 turbo for his newly acquired e30.
We will upload pics on all the FI work George and I did including my Euro m20 FI build coming soon.
RidingSimple
11-21-2008, 07:29 AM
Cool project...you and your bud are talented.
Turboready
11-21-2008, 07:59 AM
Cool project...you and your bud are talented.
Thanks Bud, with combined efforts a lot can be accomplished :smile:
WOW you owned a lot of cool wheels, must be nice.:dance:
nc_bboy
12-06-2008, 08:37 PM
Hey guys, I don't come here often but I seen this thread and wanted to add in on this. These motors can take alot of abuse. I can't remember where I read it but I know this one guy made around 600whp and around 650 lbs of tq on his M42 motor. He did a complete rebuild and stroked the motor. Theres another guy from M42club.com, his username is Ludiagsm, but I believe he's running mid 12s with his turbocharged E36 318is m42. I haven't read his thread in a while but I think he was making around 400whp. I might have to recheck that though. Well heres his thread of his build. I think it'll help with the option of what you can do to tune the M42. I know I've seen many people having problems tuning the M42 but the M44 is easier. Or atleast thats what it seems like everytime I read the failed threads of those trying to turbo the M42.
http://m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2404
BTW you need to be a member if you want to view the pictures. Also he has videos on youtube. I'm pretty sure most of you guys have probably ran across them though. HOPE THIS HELPS!!! and the PROJECT LOOKS GREAT.
Turboready
12-07-2008, 06:32 PM
nc_bboy thanks for the compliments and the input. I am aware of the fact that the m42 can make decent HP if built for it and FI job done flawlessly. This is what I am doing for the 95 ti I have for a friend. We finished the head, held back from the block since I wanted to have an O ring job done on it.
I was close to purchasing the O ring grooving tool but after looking at the design, I thought of a better concept for the BMW's. After a few minutes of thinking I came up with an idea and went ahead getting parts and making parts to build it. Since some of the BMW engines are tucked so close to the fire wall, doing an O Ring job on a block while it's in the car will be a challenge, until I came up with my design.
The concept grooving tool I am making will use a socket on the center which will allow me to use a speed socket drive, any extensions for height as the rotational drive for the tool.
The tool will rotate on 4 ball bearings on the surfce of the block instead on soild pins like the original one. This will prevent scratching of the cylinder/head gasket surface, reduce friction and will provide a very accurate groove depth.
I will machine full size Teflon sleeves for the specific cylinder bore sizes for the tool to rotate on, instead of 4 oblong metal shims which can mar the cylinder linings. The full Teflon sleeves will also maintain a very accurate circular grooves around the top of the cylinder.
To further explain, I am using parts from a metal lathe, 3 jaw self centering scroll chuck, a parting blade, parting blade holder and a dove tail holder for a lathe. I cut the dove tail off with my band saw and milled the cut to super flat finish. I milled the chuck to precisely fit the holder after which it will be tig welded in place. The chuck will have 4 small roller bearings precisely machined into axles which will be accurately machined into it at exact heights.
Here are some pics illustrating the grooving tool in progress. The bearings are not machines in as yet.
Turboready
12-07-2008, 06:36 PM
Here are some mock up pics of how the tool will fit the cyliner and how the blade will be aligned to cu the O ring grooves on the block. Remember that the surface bearings and tool sleeves are not machined as yet and are not shown.
I have to grind the blade to the specific size of O ring wire diameter as well 0.030"
I will complete those and post pics soon.
rik89
12-07-2008, 06:38 PM
mate you're a legend
I love innovative engineering like this,
you planning on fabbing any parts of the engine?
Turboready
12-07-2008, 06:58 PM
Here is a BMW 318is with an M42 which was turbocharged two years ago. The guys who did it had the car for 6 moths rebuilding the engine and boosting it. After they were done the car would not idle and would only run if the throttle was held above 3,500 RPM. They had four mechanics look at it before the owner got frustrated and nearly $ 10,000 after, brought it to me.
After the car came to us and looking at it for an hour I discovered that the bolts they used on the turbine outlet to the down pipe bottomed out 1/16 of an inch. This space allowed atmospheric air to enter the exhaust stream signaling the O2 sensor and computer to crank up the duty cycle of the injectors, so fuel was now literally pouring out his exhaust and flooding the engine.
The poor car went through some manifold issues which I could not do at the time since my place was under construction. It's now back for a few issues, starter, turbo oil return line leak, profile gasket floating around inside the valve cover, OMG, and few other things.
Turboready
12-07-2008, 07:08 PM
mate you're a legend
I love innovative engineering like this,
you planning on fabbing any parts of the engine?
Rik, many thanks for the kind words, however I see myself far from being a legend :smile: It's a great feeling when someone can recognize the work involved to fab tools and parts like that, much appreciated Rik.
I had fabbed some external parts for the 318is m42 engine. As for internals, no plans as yet though that can change should the need arise. We will start rebuilding the block this week.
lpcapital
12-08-2008, 04:02 AM
Where are you sourcing the oil and returning it to for the turbine? Thanks
dave45056
12-08-2008, 07:28 AM
nice thread... I lik what you have done... I was curious, though... what kind of HG will you be using? And what is your target compression ratio?
Turboready
12-09-2008, 06:41 AM
Where are you sourcing the oil and returning it to for the turbine? Thanks
Will post pics and explanation for you.
Turboready
12-09-2008, 06:49 AM
nice thread... I lik what you have done... I was curious, though... what kind of HG will you be using? And what is your target compression ratio?
Thanks Dave. Since I will be O ringing the block, I will go with the thicker OEM HG clamping it with some ARP HS
Compression ratio will be around 10.0 to 1. With the SDS extra boost injector controller and two high volume Bosch injectors we should be good for half decent boost. The boosted 318is in my garage has the same fuel management unit and it works really well. I will use Mark D's chip to retard timing along with some chip tuning. I am a dealer here for his software and we will work remotely on the ignition side of it. Eventually I would like to convert the engine to Mega Squirt V III
lpcapital
12-09-2008, 06:54 AM
Will post pics and explanation for you.
Thanks for that. I'm actually looking into adding an oil cooler on an M44, but I wanna make sure I interfere the least possible with the oil pressure & filtration getting to the engine.
lpcapital
01-07-2009, 08:29 PM
Any update on this turbo :biggrin:
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