List of shops that can/have done the 332ti swap.

[Panzer_M]

Well after looking at the mild swap idea again.
And talking to ActiveAutowerke in Miami about doing any swap in the Ti.
They said Labor would run 4500$ plus I supply the parts for the swap, figured a M3 swap would cost 12k then with them at the most I think.

I remember seeing seeing a shop in the north(I live in Fla, so GA in north for me) that did S52 swap for 10K or so.....

Well I am going to sell my 00 Civic and the 318ti is paid for......So I guess I could scrap 10k together in year for the swap. and everyone says if I swap to get M3 engine and not bother with the M50 swaps. I just didn't want the hassle of the other changes that need to be done for the M3 swap.

damn I don't know what to do.

BTW, The 318ti is a car I plan to keep around, like my dad kept his 60 TR3 with him.

[riker]

I remember i was just looking around to get some prices last year on an engine swap... too expensive for me... but here is what a local tuner was suggesting for pricing (www.cgmotorsports.com - CG motorsports in BC, Canada):

Below is a list of options you can choose from, prices include all
necessary parts and labour. Taxes are extra.

-2.0 L 6 cylinder motor conversion (from 320I), 140,000km $5,200 (~3900 USD)
-2.5L 6 cylinder motor conversion (from 95 325I), 95,000 km $7,200. (~5400 USD)
-2.8L 6 cylinder motor conversion (from 97 328I), 140,000km $9,200.(~6900 USD)
-3.2L 6 cylinder motor conversion (from 98 M3), 71,000km $13,500.(~10125 USD)

....These are prices from last year, and as stated above include all the parts and what not... not too bad I guess, although I don't have over 14 grand to spend on that... and if i'm going to do a conversion, why not go fro the m3 engine, and not to cheap out and go for a 325? if you're gonna do it, do it big the first time.

[saxman0321]

You can look at www.koalamotorsport.com

They do 6 cyl. conversions for the ti. They're prices are for engine and related components only thoughl. Doesn't include tranny, diff...

You could look at spending $8000-$8800 with them for the 3.2 conversion

It's much cheaper and more satisfying if you can perform the swap yourself.

[Budget M3]

I agree with the other guys that if you are going to do the swap, it seems to make sense to get the best engine you can for the money...all depends on your budget. I think J!m has pointed out before on this board that "speed is just a matter of money...how fast do you want to go?"

If your stock 4-cylinder is pretty low miles (<75K mi) and in good shape, you can get "M3-like" power without the extra expense up front by putting in a supercharger. I paid ~$3000 for the kit from Downing Atlanta, and another $700 for labor to install it on my 75K mi engine. I've had it in for ~10K miles, including a couple of autocrosses and small track days with no problems at all. The stock clutch becomes a weak point with this conversion, so I'll need a clutch soon, but on a car that's been driven hard for 85K miles, that's to be expected.

Just another alternative for those of us who don't want to spend all the bucks for a full conversion up front...

- DASC ~$3700 incl labor
- M3 Clutch 10-15K later at ~$600 incl labor (+$400 for lightweight flywheel if you so desire :) )
- 325/328 brakes ~$800 incl labor when your stock brakes need replacement anyway
- E30 Differential ~$300 plus labor when you get around to it or yours starts to whine under the strain of you newfound power :)

[Nitekrrawler]

Hey guy, just wnated to ask why did it cost so much to have your DASC installed? Was there some tuning involved? And if so, is it necessary? Thanks dood!

-Tiger

[1996 328ti]

For tuning
http://www.techniquetuning.com/

[Panzer_M]

I have thought about the M44S/C making 190whp...

but I want a six.

Koala does it for 8800$ wow that's the best I have seen so far.

[1996 328ti]

I would trust Brett. He doesn't come cheap but he is good and trustworthy. He built my Quiafe. Although I would also trust Mike Robinson in Virginia. I don't have his address handy.

[Panzer_M]

Mike from Schneller Motorsports?

[Panzer_M]

You can look at www.koalamotorsport.com

They do 6 cyl. conversions for the ti. They're prices are for engine and related components only thoughl. Doesn't include tranny, diff...

You could look at spending $8000-$8800 with them for the 3.2 conversion

It's much cheaper and more satisfying if you can perform the swap yourself.

I emailed him

and I can't tell from the email if they replace the rear components for the 8800$ pricetag.

[Panzer_M]

^ as to above.

Prices are for engine and related components only. The prices listed assume retaining your original 4 cylinder transmission, differential, suspension and brakes. Koala Motorsport strongly recommends upgrading the braking and suspension systems to compensate for the extra power

[Panzer_M]

I agree with the other guys that if you are going to do the swap, it seems to make sense to get the best engine you can for the money...all depends on your budget. I think J!m has pointed out before on this board that "speed is just a matter of money...how fast do you want to go?"

If your stock 4-cylinder is pretty low miles (<75K mi) and in good shape, you can get "M3-like" power without the extra expense up front by putting in a supercharger. I paid ~$3000 for the kit from Downing Atlanta, and another $700 for labor to install it on my 75K mi engine. I've had it in for ~10K miles, including a couple of autocrosses and small track days with no problems at all. The stock clutch becomes a weak point with this conversion, so I'll need a clutch soon, but on a car that's been driven hard for 85K miles, that's to be expected.

Just another alternative for those of us who don't want to spend all the bucks for a full conversion up front...

- DASC ~$3700 incl labor
- M3 Clutch 10-15K later at ~$600 incl labor (+$400 for lightweight flywheel if you so desire :) )
- 325/328 brakes ~$800 incl labor when your stock brakes need replacement anyway
- E30 Differential ~$300 plus labor when you get around to it or yours starts to whine under the strain of you newfound power :)

after tonight of pricing a swap...I am looking at the cheaper M44S/C again.

I have Axxis pads/Slotted rotors now, would that be good enough brakes, or would I have to still switch these for something

What ratio diff did you use?
my M44 has 114k miles on it, so I could be in the market for a newer one.
looking at this, a DASC and rebuilt M44 would only be 8k which is equal to the expensive swaps...still with used Sixes..don't know what to do.

Damn I hate the fact I love the TI, and didn't want a Coupe or Sedan(which would have been a 325 or 328-)

[J!m]

I have done the swap, can do the swap, and will do the swap if so desired.

I am located in CT, and should be quite competitive on pricing...

I am not a parts dealer, but have a good list of sources for parts to do the job right (Suspension, brakes etc.)

Let me know if interested.

J!m

[Panzer_M]

just got to wait til the Honda is sold to see how much money I get to play with for the BMW first, then it puts a timeframe on the swap ideas.

[Panzer_M]

what would be the pricerange be of a M50B23 swap, suspension and drivetrain swap?

[J!m]

Figure in the ball park of $2400-$3200 for installing engine, trans, rear suspension and front suspension. This assumes the following: Engine is in good running order and complete with all accessories and wiring; if M3 transmission is used, M3 drive shaft is useable; M coupe/roadster rear suspension/diff is used; M3 front suspension is used; no wear parts (such as bushings) need replacing (cuz this adds more time!).

Labor is billed at a straight $40.00/hr, no OT charges unless deadlines are set unreasonabily.

Estimate two weeks from start to finish if all parts are on hand.

Newer models (with Driveaway Protection) may cause additional charges due to dealer involvement. The feature could be disabled, but I don't like to work like that...

Parts are the responsibility of the purchaser, however I will assist any way I can with that as well.

[eurospec]

If anyone is looking for a eurospec motor let me know. I import then and I get real good prices on them. I just did a engine swap in my ti.
http://www.alienweb.com/james/DSC00367.JPG

Edit: Image removed [admin]

[J!m]

I hope you have a shroud for that radiator! Otherwise, it may run hot.

[ayton]

if you are in FL I can hook you up with a friend of mine that did his own swap into a ti and he can do it for you email me or post if you are interested kinkajou74@hotmail.com 8-)

[dominguezh]

Pardon my ignorance but ... what are you guys talking about? Importing euro spec engine? Which one? an M3 engine? What type of gains are we talking about? Thanks. This is all very exciting. Glad to see I have a car for a LONG time.

Hector

[Panzer_M]

actually I was thinking today while behind a Z28 on the road.

people have trouble wiring in a EuroSpec S50 as simple drop-in over a USDM S50.

My car is a Euro-Spec
would I have problems with a USDM M50 swap.

[ayton]

what makes your car a ES? the problem with a Euro spec s50 is the harness is right side oriented so it must be flip flopped.

[eurospec]

My mechanic did my engine swap in one day. He took out my old motor installed the euro spec and start the car in one day. The wiring harness was not a problem and the motor came from a right side car. My engine bay looks stock. No wires are showing. I live in Jersey and my guy does all the fix up bimmers here. I believe his car will be on the cover of Performance BMW next month. He has a blue e30 wide body 600hp. Anyways I was reading some of the post and the prices for the motors were high. Let me know what you want and I can get m motors and anything else you want from europe.

[kennasbimmer]

I would like to know some shops where i could get the swap done. i am very interested in doing it. The problem is i dont know where i can get an M3 engine at. if anyone knows or could hook me up that would be great.

[1996 328ti]

I would like to know some shops where i could get the swap done. i am very interested in doing it. The problem is i dont know where i can get an M3 engine at. if anyone knows or could hook me up that would be great.
I would join the BMW CCA and ask your local chapter members. They would be a good source. By now a lot of people have done conversions. Shops have been doing conversions for years. OBD-II involves a little more but it becoming very common.

[Panzer_M]

or you could be like me and go ODB II to ODB I.

Which since we don't have emissions or inspections here in Florida I can prob get away with.

[Mendi3]

Any recomended shops to do the swap in northern california? Very interested in doing an M3 swap for my ti.

[Panzer_M]

what makes your <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> a ES? the problem with a Euro spec s50 is the harness is right side oriented so it must be flip flopped.


My car was brought new in Germany, where it was used in Germany from 1997 to 2002, then came to the states with the owner and I got it in late 2003 in Tennesse.

[Turbo-ti]

I did my own car in my garage!! It wasnt all that bad..Put a Turbo charged 328 in mine..If anyone wants it done and needs help let me know ill help ya out as far as what to get and what to use.Mine went OBD1 as well and i did away with EWS..Good luck and email me if you need help...

[maurolin]

TAMPA FLORIDA
RENNEN IMPORTS 813 8760606
Cars & Concepts 813 3486183

www.baybimmers.com for the Florida people

[ClubSport332ti]

If you need a swap PM me. I can get CK Auto Image to do a OBD I 3.0 swap for you for $4k with the moto rSwap only. You will have to get AC lines and all the plastic housing