Build Update; E46 fenders + wrap

[Dan I]

I have been fairly absent from the forums lately...we had our first child in early May. Racecar projects and updating build threads were pretty much on the back burner.
As most know, I pretty much hacked my stock fenders to clear 18x10 wheels. After a couple years of looking at the disaster I had made, it was time to fix it right. Off to Certifit for 4 pre-facelift e46 325 fenders. $26/ea...what a deal.
I chipped away at the project when I could, starting in Nov '11 and finished the wrap about a month ago. Fender/bodywork= total PITA that I would never do again. The wrap went well and was WAAAAYYY cheaper than even a Maaco paint job. I'll post more finished photos tomorrow.

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[Mr.Squeelerz]

Good to see you're still around.

Congrats on completing the project. You're install looks pretty clean.

[teetime4one]

Diggin' it!

[GrandpaTuner]

Likin the Matte finish....

[whitecord]

This is awesome. I need to do the same. 18x10 is a pita on stock rolled fenders

[spidertri]

Very cool, I was wondering how the E46 fenders would look on the ti. Matte wrap looks great too! Are those wheels the MT1-Rs?

[slow_ti]

You **** looks so rad!!!

[cooljess76]

Flares were a must, but it's a bummer you had to cover that awesome color with vinyl. Still diggin your car, always have.

[slow_ti]

Yea your gonna miss that purrty Alaska blue!

[amcp]

moar

[jekaio]

car looks good.

do you have any straight on shots so we can see how much wider the e46 fenders are?

[Dan I]

Thanks all! I am definitely going to miss the alaskablau but honestly, the condition of the paint was poor at best...pretty much a 20-footer. I wouldnt mind possibly picking up a cleaner alaska for a project/tinker toy and keep it streetable but thats gonna be a ways in the future. I'll be messing around in the garage tomorrow...I'll snap more pics. I promise.

ps. wheels are MT1-R 17x9 et 30 with 25mm spacer in front, 15 in back :smile:
mad stance, yo :rolleyes:

[Mr.Squeelerz]

There's one for sale locally with Vaders but its Auto.

[BimmerBum]

This is a great car, by far one of my favorites on the forum. I have visions of my S50 ti going this direction.

Maybe you will be able to put the power down on corner exit now!

[Dan I]

Sorry for the slow response, been crazy busy lately.
Road America came and went without any drama...perfect weather and an overall excellent time was had by all. Here's some pics

shenannigans with my brother
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/iversondan/IMG6386-X3.jpg

held up by a 996t and 1M... didnt think that was possible :redface:
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T14
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/iversondan/IMG4013-M.jpg

battling with a couple buddies
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/iversondan/IMG3640-M.jpg

about to get my a$$ handed to me by a 458 Challenge. The sound those cars make is unreal. There were 3 at this event
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/iversondan/IMG2832-M.jpg

My brother next to 458 challenge for size reference. He's 6'1...those cars are surprisingly small and REALLY low
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/iversondan/IMG_20120726_185403.jpg

Ti + tow pig
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/iversondan/IMG_20120727_201800.jpg

[Mr.Squeelerz]

That wrap looks really good on the track. Nice photos! Where was this at?

[BimmerBum]

Tell me more about the tow pig? 3.0? 4.4? 4.6? 4.8? Factory BMW hitch? What kind of trailer?

[slow_ti]

Dats a 4.6

[BimmerBum]

Dats a 4.6

Way to easy to make a clone and the 4.6 and 4.8 look identical... can't tell from that pic without asking.

[slow_ti]

Assuming all is stock. It's a 4.6.....

4.8 had different rims. My brother has had both 4.6 and 4.8 so I know most differences, mechanical and cosmetic

[BimmerBum]

Assuming all is stock. It's a 4.6.....

4.8 had different rims. My brother has had both 4.6 and 4.8 so I know most differences, mechanical and cosmetic

Not going to make any assumptions about the stockness of the man's cars based on the non-stockness of his ti...

More concerned with trailer type and overall weight than anything else... I believe all X5 models are rated with the same towing capacity.

[Dan I]

Its an '03 4.6is. Draw-Tite class IV hitch with OEM wiring from bavarian autosport. Install was kind of a pain as there was facia trimming and widening of holes in the bumper carrier. Other than that, it tows like a champ (18ft dual axel wood deck flatbed). 75mph down I-94 and it gets 15mpg. Not the most ideal tow rig, but it serves my needs well. Plenty of power, comfy, and it looks ok. I have total confidence in the truck and its handling and braking capability with the amount of stuff I haul. My buddy tows his E36 m with an '06 4.4i on a similar trailer with about the same results as me. Not sure what the 3.0i could do...


edit; car weighs ~2300, trailer I'm guessing is 1500, another 500 or so of tools, spares, coolers, clothes, data loggers, hd cameras, laptops, dong bags, etc.

[BimmerBum]

Its an '03 4.6is. Draw-Tite class IV hitch with OEM wiring from bavarian autosport. Install was kind of a pain as there was facia trimming and widening of holes in the bumper carrier. Other than that, it tows like a champ (18ft wood deck flatbed). 75mph down I-94 and it gets 15mpg. Not the most ideal tow rig, but it serves my needs well. Plenty of power, comfy, and it looks ok. I have total confidence in the truck and its handling and braking capability with the amount of stuff I haul. My buddy tows his E36 m with an '06 4.4i on a similar trailer with about the same results as me. Not sure what the 3.0i could do...

We have a 3.0 sport and I have been looking at ways to tow with it. I am thinking I will need to go with a featherlite trailer to make it work... the 3.0 really struggles with power to start with.

[slow_ti]

;)

[BimmerBum]

;)

Luck... nothing more. ;) I would have guessed 4.6 but for what I wanted to know I needed to be sure.

[Dan I]

We have a 3.0 sport and I have been looking at ways to tow with it. I am thinking I will need to go with a featherlite trailer to make it work... the 3.0 really struggles with power to start with.

My brother has an 18ft steel open-pit dovetail hauler that's considerably lighter than the one I use. Made by H&H (nation-wide builder) and its probably not more that 300-400lbs heavier than a similar sized aluminum hauler that's 2.5-3x the price. Seriously, I would recommend looking into them. He gets lots of questions at the track re: his trailer. Only reason I dont have one is that I live in a townhouse and have no room. Plus I can borrow a trailer for free :)

[BimmerBum]

My brother has an 18ft steel open-pit dovetail hauler that's considerably lighter than the one I use. Made by H&H (nation-wide builder) and its probably not more that 300-400lbs heavier than a similar sized aluminum hauler that's 2.5-3x the price. Seriously, I would recommend looking into them. He gets lots of questions at the track re: his trailer. Only reason I dont have one is that I live in a townhouse and have no room. Plus I can borrow a trailer for free :)

Thanks for the tip!

[Dan I]

update:
Finally got around to getting the roll cage built. DCA Race Fab in LaCrosse, WI hit a home run.
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[BimmerBum]

That is a work of art, truly. You have to be excited about that!

[BimmerBum]

That is a work of art, truly. You have to be excited about that!

[spidertri]

Very nice. Are you prepping the car for a certain class?

[Mr.Squeelerz]

Wow....that's some nice work!!

[Dan I]

Thanks for the compliments, guys. Not prepping for anything in particular, but the tube is all 1.75"x .095" DOM so its good for SCCA, NASA and CCA. My brother runs GTS4 and ITE, so I'll probably follow suit.

[jca]

Urban Green, right? At least that's BMW's name for the color. It was once available on Z-4's.

[620 Garage]

Greetings:

What suspension are you running? Also, what spring rates? Im in the process of turning my Ti into a Track car I can drive to/from the track. Just want to compare notes on what works for other track worthy Ti's. My current set up is Front 3 way JRZ struts and rear 2 way Moton Shocks. Front GC camber plates and rear solid shock mounts. I run about 250lb on the canisters and the valving is fairly aggressive on both. My spring rates are 800F and 970R. Im keeping stock bars so i went up on the springs. The car sits at 2530lb and will drop to about 2400. I set the alignment at 1/16 toe out L/R front for a total of 1/8". 2.5 neg camber front. Rear is set at 0 toe and 1.8 neg camber. Granted, I have not rested this set up yet so this is basically my baseline. Need to get new motor/trans mounts and recondition the shifter before I do.
PS: running Toyo 888 235/40 all around on 17x8 and 17x9 IFG's

Cheers,
Ricky

[620 Garage]

PPS:

I set the corner wts as follows:

LF: 717 RF: 716

LR: 533 RR: 563

I might tweak a little more but again, this is just baseline

[petemc53555]

DCA Race Fab in LaCrosse, WI hit a home run..
ah, no... more like a freakin' GRAND SLAM!
Totally drool worthy cage.

[Dan I]

Greetings:

What suspension are you running? Also, what spring rates? Im in the process of turning my Ti into a Track car I can drive to/from the track. Just want to compare notes on what works for other track worthy Ti's. My current set up is Front 3 way JRZ struts and rear 2 way Moton Shocks. Front GC camber plates and rear solid shock mounts. I run about 250lb on the canisters and the valving is fairly aggressive on both. My spring rates are 800F and 970R. Im keeping stock bars so i went up on the springs. The car sits at 2530lb and will drop to about 2400. I set the alignment at 1/16 toe out L/R front for a total of 1/8". 2.5 neg camber front. Rear is set at 0 toe and 1.8 neg camber. Granted, I have not rested this set up yet so this is basically my baseline. Need to get new motor/trans mounts and recondition the shifter before I do.
PS: running Toyo 888 235/40 all around on 17x8 and 17x9 IFG's

Cheers,
Ricky

I run GC coilovers with Koni SA shocks (super-baller, I know) and a GC Hella-fat sway bar, NO rear bar. Spring rates are 500# front, 350# rear. -3.5 front camber, -2 rear. 0 toe. Once upon a time I had solid engine and trans mounts but went back to stock e46m3 mounts. Going to either put the solids back in or give AKGs a try. I recommend the AKG shifter- I drove a car with one; its legit. You like the 888's? I heard lots of grumbles from locals running them. I never tried them- I stick to RA1s and NT-01 (virtually the same sire)

DCA Race Fab in LaCrosse, WI hit a home run..
ah, no... more like a freakin' GRAND SLAM!
Totally drool worthy cage.

Thanks man!

[Dan I]

Urban Green, right? At least that's BMW's name for the color. It was once available on Z-4's.

Ha! I had no idea that was a factory color- there are a couple of those Z4s locally. The stuff I have is 3M scotchprint and they call the color Military Green- go figure. In keeping with the military theme, I have a couple ideas I may work on once my new garage is done :smile:

[Ragnorak]

That cage looks beautiful and so does the car! Any pointers or lessons learned on doing those fender flares? It's something I plan on embarking on in the winter.

[Dan I]

That cage looks beautiful and so does the car! Any pointers or lessons learned on doing those fender flares? It's something I plan on embarking on in the winter.
Lessons learned: body work is no joke. Seriously. If you want it to look factory-fresh, take it to a body shop. Same with the paint. Constant filling, sanding, huge piles of bondo dust. Way more of a mess and way more work than I anticipated. Im pleased with the way mine turned out, but I had lots of time to chip away at it. Did I mention the bondo dust? In your hair, ears, clothes, every nook and cranny in your garage. Almost 2 years later and I'm still finding it in my garage.

Tools- I was able to borrow a buddys mig welder, other than that all I needed was a sawzall, angle grinder, die grinder, and a 12'' body sander. Oh, and a good respirator...3M charcoal canister ftw

[ChItalian1027]

Does your brother race in NASA MW or GL?

Car looks good!

[Dan I]

Does your brother race in NASA MW or GL?

Car looks good!

MW. He probably wont make any events this year as the midwest schedule skipped over our "home turf" this year

[whitecord]

how wide of a tire can you fit with those fairs? i am thinking about running a 285/30/18 and cant figure out if i want to run the e46 flairs or some rivet on ones.

[victell]

That cage looks beautiful and so does the car! Any pointers or lessons learned on doing those fender flares? It's something I plan on embarking on in the winter.

Same fenders on a coupe here (http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=3730165&postcount=151). Rest of the thread here (http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=275275), start about halfway through.

[BMW_Hatchback]

Man, what a beast of a machine!

[Dan I]

285's fit with ease. I needed 20mm spacers in front to clear the struts, 12mm + hammer work in the rear to clear subframe and chassis. Lots of room under the car now. 305s will fit

Lessons learned on flares? Lots. Rivet-on flares would be way easier, cheaper. Bodywork requires more patience than I'll ever have. And the dust from bondo and paint is a complete disaster. If I were to do it again, I'd save my sanity and rivet some cheap-o flares and be done with it.


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[Ragnorak]

285's fit with ease. I needed 20mm spacers in front to clear the struts, 12mm + hammer work in the rear to clear subframe and chassis. Lots of room under the car now. 305s will fit

Lessons learned on flares? Lots. Rivet-on flares would be way easier, cheaper. Bodywork requires more patience than I'll ever have. And the dust from bondo and paint is a complete disaster. If I were to do it again, I'd save my sanity and rivet some cheap-o flares and be done with it.


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The patience definitely paid off though. Good info on the tire widths. I'm not even sure where to look for rivet-on flares for this car that would look proper, but I'm on the hunt.

[J_E]

Rivet on fenders might be easier, but they won't look as good as yours turned out.

[e30polak]

Such an awesome Ti! Nice work!

[Dan I]

Back from the dead again. Busy with life keeps me off the interwebz.

Long story longer...I kept having clutch, (mis)shifting, excessive diff noise and I ended up overrevving my s50 all due to a **** driveshaft. Fast forward to 6/17/17, it now sits with an obd1 m52 with my old s50 bolt-ons, the baller-ass Tilton clutch, zf trans, some apex wheels, freshly rebuilt konis, and a chassis-mounted wing from battle aero.

Pay no attention to the numerical identity crisis going on

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[anassa]

Love it!!

Happy to hear it is still running, and being driven as it should be! :biggrin:

It seems before you mentioned the annoyance of grafting on the e46 flares, but I have to say I am huge fan of your outcome, it looks way better than bolt-on flares!

Thanks for the updates!

[BimmerBum]

Always love seeing pictures of this car. Feel free to post more.

How's the power with the 2.8 compared to the s50?

[Dan I]

Power loss is noticeable but not overwhelming. It seems like the power band is smooth and predictably progressive. S50 was a lumpy mess that needed lots of revs to let the sunbelts do their thing. I'm content with where it's at. The sunbelts and the dr vanos setup will work on the m52 and make really good power but I'm hesitant to "fix" something that really isn't broken.

[anassa]

Power loss is noticeable but not overwhelming. It seems like the power band is smooth and predictably progressive. S50 was a lumpy mess that needed lots of revs to let the sunbelts do their thing. I'm content with where it's at. The sunbelts and the dr vanos setup will work on the m52 and make really good power but I'm hesitant to "fix" something that really isn't broken.

What kind of "bolt-ons" do you have with your m52? What ratio diff? How does it fair against other m52 powered vehicles (z3/e36/e30)? Or maybe against other m50/s50/s52 powered vehicles?

Just from your experience.

Thanks!

[Dan I]

What kind of "bolt-ons" do you have with your m52? What ratio diff? How does it fair against other m52 powered vehicles (z3/e36/e30)? Or maybe against other m50/s50/s52 powered vehicles?



Just from your experience.



Thanks!



Intake, big MAF, injectors, s50 software, pulleys, long tube headers straight back to a magnaflow fart can. It's REALLY loud, the good kind of loud, though. E30 3.23 diff. I would say in raw acceleration it's about equal to a stock e36 m3. Hard to judge on track because there are so many variables at play...I'm usually outpaced by modded e46m3s driven hard, I usually outpace modded e36m3s driven hard. Usually leads to drivers coming over to "see what the hell is going on" with it. Good convo starter if nothing else lol


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[anassa]

Intake, big MAF, injectors, s50 software, pulleys, long tube headers straight back to a magnaflow fart can. It's REALLY loud, the good kind of loud, though. E30 3.23 diff. I would say in raw acceleration it's about equal to a stock e36 m3. Hard to judge on track because there are so many variables at play...I'm usually outpaced by modded e46m3s driven hard, I usually outpace modded e36m3s driven hard. Usually leads to drivers coming over to "see what the hell is going on" with it. Good convo starter if nothing else lol


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Hahaha I bet! I would love to see those e36m3 owners scratching their heads trying to keep up to the "trunkless" e36!

How much tire do you usually use?

Also do you still use the " GC coilovers with Koni SA shocks (super-baller, I know) and a GC Hella-fat sway bar, NO rear bar. Spring rates are 500# front, 350# rear. -3.5 front camber, -2 rear. 0 toe" suspension setup? That rear spring rate at 350 with no rear bar seems really low! From what I have seen many people prefer higher spring rates in the rear compared to front. Have you changed the setup? Is it mostly for higher speed tracks or also for tight technical courses?


Just to clarify, Intake (includes s50/m50 intake manifold I assume, since you had a s50, so not stock m52 intake manifold) Big MAF (3.5 one? 5 series one or Porsche?) injectors (24lb? Stock m52 is 21lb?)

Thanks again!

I know, I know.. that's a lot of questions!

[Dan I]

Hahaha I bet! I would love to see those e36m3 owners scratching their heads trying to keep up to the "trunkless" e36!

How much tire do you usually use?

Also do you still use the " GC coilovers with Koni SA shocks (super-baller, I know) and a GC Hella-fat sway bar, NO rear bar. Spring rates are 500# front, 350# rear. -3.5 front camber, -2 rear. 0 toe" suspension setup? That rear spring rate at 350 with no rear bar seems really low! From what I have seen many people prefer higher spring rates in the rear compared to front. Have you changed the setup? Is it mostly for higher speed tracks or also for tight technical courses?


Just to clarify, Intake (includes s50/m50 intake manifold I assume, since you had a s50, so not stock m52 intake manifold) Big MAF (3.5 one? 5 series one or Porsche?) injectors (24lb? Stock m52 is 21lb?)

Thanks again!

I know, I know.. that's a lot of questions!

No prob! M50 mani, 3.5" maf, 24lb injectors. Right now I have 245/17 re-71r that I prefer to run and a set of pirelli DH slicks if I really feel like hauling the mail. Suspension is still 500/350. I used to autocross a bit and this was a good setup for that. Turns out it works well on the tracks I do now. Road America is very fast, long course at BIR is even faster. Car is very neutral, very predictable. Anyone with the slightest skill could make it go fast

[spidertri]

Car's looking good Dan!

What was the issue with the driveshaft? Binding U joints?

[J!m]

Your experience shows just how "lame" the S52 is compared to the M52... We (the USA) totally got hosed on that deal...

And I'm sure the new wing works a ton better, but I prefer the look of the "PTG-esque" rear wing you had. With such soft springs that butt must really squat at speed, no?

[e-dirty6]

Let me introduce myself before i sound stupid. Hi, im sean. Im new here, and (not sure if this is taboo or not) but i dont even own a ti (m50) I legit just joined this site, simply in an effort to tell you how much i respect and praise you for the fact that you took something you couldn't stand looking at and made it into something i cant stand not to follow. i got like actual sad when i saw ur original post dates, thinking i would never see how this build turned out. but when i realized you started up again i damn near fell outta my chair leaning forward to read further haha. im not too sure why this thread hit me so hard but thank you for reviving it, i will definitely be on the edge of my seat (not entirely figuratively) awaiting to see what you have planned next. Props on the car man, and best of luck with all your efforts. :tongue:

[J!m]

Welcome!

[e-dirty6]

Thank you j!m for the warm welcome, i appreciate it. As i was sure i would have been treated as a pariah so to speak, due to owning a 325 as opposed to the wonderful 318. Sorry for crowding up the build thread by double posting, but question for the OP. (Or anyone with more knowledge than i. Which isnt saying much:biggrin:) How much fabrication if any at all, was required to install the e46 fenders on the e36 chasis? And do they indeed allow more clearance than the predesccing fenders? My apologies I feel as if this was mentioned here previously but after multiple re-reads, i have no clue where i saw that information. Any input would be beneficial thank you all again.

[J!m]

If you look at the beginning of the thread, the E46 fenders were cut up, as were the original E36 ones, and they were welded together and blended.

This mod has been done many times in the past to a couple tis and a lot of regular E36's.

It allows up to (I think) 10" of rim if selected carefully.

It is not a "bolt-on" modification at all and requires a lot of skill and attention to detail to get right.

[e-dirty6]

*inserts face into palm*
:eek:Ahhh, that makes muchhhhh more sense, it was late as i was re-reading. Im awestruck, the car looks so amazing and i would have never known it was a bondo application. A++ sir. Sorry for the dim-wittedness, I somehow was mistakingly under the impression the OP swapped the fronts for e46 fenders, and cut and bondo'd the e36 fenders in the rear. I shouldve gawked at the photos for longer:tongue: Thank you J!m for clearing that up for me.

[Dan I]

Thanks for the props, e-dirty


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[Greyze]

Hi Dan, I love your car and enjoy reading the things you done to it! I just got a 96 TI to race at NASA and I was wondering if you can help me with some information's.
Like how much does your car weight?
reason be is that right now I have a m44 with a super charger, but latter I would like to use a 6 cylinder I already have a M30 turbo engine or maybe i will use e s52. right now Iam trying to calculate the weight so I can build the right roll cage.
Thank you
Greyze