spanked a civic Si

[m44ic]

Alright so last saturday night I was just cruisin around cuz I was bored and and this 2001 civic Si pulls along side me and its one of my buddies riding with a guy from work. The guy driving was like "ha, a 318, they are weak, what a discrace to bmw" of course my friend was like that car is not weak. Anyway we pulled to a stop light and the light turns green and both of us didnt luanch but we hit in first gear at about 3k and then let off at about 45mph in second gear. And by the time I let off I was atleast 3-4 car lengths ahead, so he comes back up next to me and I said were you even on it? And the guy is cursing and all pissed off and my friend in the passenger seat was just laughing so hard cuz the guy was so pissed off. Afterwards my friend said that he was on it the hole time and he caught second gear rubber, which to me is weird cuz the civic Si's are rated at 160hp and a 15.9 1/4 mile and my car runs mid 16's. I was wondering how I beat him, so I did a little research to find out why. I think its because honda's engines make very little torque for their size and that the i-VTEC in the b20 doesnt kick in untill 5,500 rpm, so he was only in VTEC for about a half of a second which was why he got his @ss handed to him. :biggrin:

[Viper3812]

Nice, very nice.

[GDB]

It's also alot harder to launch a FWD car properly. It can be done, but RWD responds better to a poor launch than FWD will. That and 318s are SERIOUSLY underrated, but that's just my opinion :biggrin:

Congrats on the kill. I've been looking for a stock pre hatchback Si to run against. No luck so far.

[bluebastion]

My younger sis owns one of those (hatchback si '01).... while my older used to own a Focus hatchback SVT... which she had MANY problems with, so she got a Saturn Sports Coupe. I don't know much about the Saturn, other than she likes it better... go figure.

[nick_hegel]

Civics always pull on me!!!! There are a lot of heavily modded ones around here in MN though.

[96cali]

So the moral of the story is to only race up to 45mph! :biggrin:

[m44ic]

Civics always pull on me!!!! There are a lot of heavily modded ones around here in MN though.

this paticular one had intake and catback, looks like it didnt help much :)

[m44ic]

So the moral of the story is to only race up to 45mph! :biggrin:
hey I'll take what ever i can get, these M44's are torquey little guys

[nick_hegel]

this paticular one had intake and catback, looks like it didnt help much :)

A lot os si's around here are turbo or run nitrous, Saint Paul had a huge asian population. and my clutch is dying out which doesn't help.

[m44ic]

A lot os si's around here are turbo or run nitrous, Saint Paul had a huge asian population. and my clutch is dying out which doesn't help.

Oh god dont get me started on the slipping clutch, I had to deal with that crap for a year, man that sucked, but now I got a sachs in that I installed at christmas, why I picked the coldest week of the year to install it in my buddies cold @ss garage is beyond me. but man is it sweet know.

[Virgil]

Now, if there was supercharger or even better, a euro m3 transplant done you would have not only killed the car but the guys ego as well. Ignorant ricers are fun. I am still haveing the internal debate on wether I want m3 badges on my future project or not. They look so cool but sleepers are also cool in there own right.

[dodj]

well. Ignorant ricers are fun.

i have found there is more ignorance against japanese cars than the other way round.

[Virgil]

I am very familiar with JDM cars, more so then DTM. I actually like the new Civic Si, fun little car. Its a double standard for both theaters of performance tuning. JDM guys think of DTM as fragile and weak while DTM guys tend to stereotype the guy behind the wheel of the ricer as some boy racer wannabe.

Now... if you find the guy with the un-painted body kit on a gurgly sounding car its a safe bet you can stick a stereotype to him/her. My biggest pet peave with cars is unpainted body kits. I ride a sportbike so I get racing challenges from these punks all the time and its always fun to spank a honda that for some reason thinks it can take you... (beleive me, there are honda that can, just most u won't find on the street).

[Csvt]

Alright so last saturday night I was just cruisin around cuz I was bored and and this 2001 civic Si pulls along side me and its one of my buddies riding with a guy from work. The guy driving was like "ha, a 318, they are weak, what a discrace to bmw" of course my friend was like that car is not weak. Anyway we pulled to a stop light and the light turns green and both of us didnt luanch but we hit in first gear at about 3k and then let off at about 45mph in second gear. And by the time I let off I was atleast 3-4 car lengths ahead, so he comes back up next to me and I said were you even on it? And the guy is cursing and all pissed off and my friend in the passenger seat was just laughing so hard cuz the guy was so pissed off. Afterwards my friend said that he was on it the hole time and he caught second gear rubber, which to me is weird cuz the civic Si's are rated at 160hp and a 15.9 1/4 mile and my car runs mid 16's. I was wondering how I beat him, so I did a little research to find out why. I think its because honda's engines make very little torque for their size and that the i-VTEC in the b20 doesnt kick in untill 5,500 rpm, so he was only in VTEC for about a half of a second which was why he got his @ss handed to him. :biggrin:

Ross, I'll bring the Camera this weekend so then i can host the vid for you smoking him again :twisted:
and Yes i just joined to post this and to let everyone know that there will be a vid of you spanking him again... if he decides to race

I agree with GDB about them being underrated.. just like you spanked my old car with your slipping clutch

[m44ic]

I am very familiar with JDM cars, more so then DTM. I actually like the new Civic Si, fun little car. Its a double standard for both theaters of performance tuning. JDM guys think of DTM as fragile and weak while DTM guys tend to stereotype the guy behind the wheel of the ricer as some boy racer wannabe.

Now... if you find the guy with the un-painted body kit on a gurgly sounding car its a safe bet you can stick a stereotype to him/her. My biggest pet peave with cars is unpainted body kits. I ride a sportbike so I get racing challenges from these punks all the time and its always fun to spank a honda that for some reason thinks it can take you... (beleive me, there are honda that can, just most u won't find on the street).

around here there are some nice sleepercivics but then there are the morons with the huge wings and folgers coffee can mufflers that are just hilarious. But what made this little ordeal funny to me is that he said "ah 318's they are weak, what a discrace to BMW" that was a direct quote from this guy according to my friend, then after saying all that he gets his @ss spanked by a nearly stock 318 :biggrin:

[Csvt]

i was the guy riding shotgun in the SLOW SI.. i'll snap a pic of it tomorow for everyone to see :biggrin:

[m44ic]

i was the guy riding shotgun in the SLOW SI.. i'll snap a pic of it tomorow for everyone to see :biggrin:

Mark you crazy ford loving b@stard what are you doin on here

[Csvt]

Mark you crazy ford loving b@stard what are you doin on here

letting everyone know that there will be a vid of you spanking him.. I hate the newer SI's with a passion :2gun:


i'll leave now till i get the video.. lol

[KdCass]

Nice Kill :2gun: New SI look like little minivans.

I drove a 95 vtec accord with short ram air intake. 2.2l SOHC stock @145 It was deffinatly had a torquey-er feel than my BMW. The Ti is geard more for acceleration so I think its faster. Off the line I think the accord would have the jump.

Before that a 91 si crx (coolest looking honda ever, well until s2000). It felt very similar to the BMW more so than the Accord.

Of course I'm only comparing acceleration. The Ti is WAY better in any other comparison.


Civics always pull on me!!!! There are a lot of heavily modded ones around here in MN though.

Your car looks really sweet and Im sure it sounds great.

Guess I just had to state the obvious: 18in rims and 200lbs of stereo equipment is gonna really slow you down.


-Dave 98 117k

[m44ic]

Civics always pull on me!!!! There are a lot of heavily modded ones around here in MN though.

I think a small dose of boost will fix this problem :biggrin:

[Virgil]

*Knock Knock* Hello, this a supercharger knocking at your door wanting to play.

[m44ic]

*Knock Knock* Hello, this a supercharger knocking at your door wanting to play.

:2gun: :evil_lau:

[cali-ti]

too bad you didn't have a 3.73 LSD, you really could have pulled on him ;) :p

[m44ic]

too bad you didn't have a 3.73 LSD, you really could have pulled on him ;) :p

yeah really, soon enough, by the way how is the install coming along?

[cali-ti]

should finish up tonight. i'll post more info on my painting diff thread and perhaps either start a new thread to provide more install instructions/information. just need to torque all bolts to spec (or by feel for those i can't get a torque wrench on), fill the diff with fluid, shim out the abs sensors (mine require it), and install the new exhaust. hopefully all that goes better than the rest has ;) i fly to philly friday morning so i better get everything done!

[m44ic]

should finish up tonight. i'll post more info on my painting diff thread and perhaps either start a new thread to provide more install instructions/information. just need to torque all bolts to spec (or by feel for those i can't get a torque wrench on), fill the diff with fluid, shim out the abs sensors (mine require it), and install the new exhaust. hopefully all that goes better than the rest has ;) i fly to philly friday morning so i better get everything done!

good luck, I wish I could help instead of sitting in school, Im anxious to hear about the difference it all made.

[robcarync]

im in school right now...but mrs davis is a nut...and has no clue im on the internet instead of making a computer program...

[Virgil]

Anyone know if a quad tip ah-la M3 exhaust is possible. i am asking here because you obviously have some time spent in that area of the car.

[m44ic]

Anyone know if a quad tip ah-la M3 exhaust is possible. i am asking here because you obviously have some time spent in that area of the car.

I dunno, because the spare tire well takes up alot of space I dont know where you would route the exhuast on the other side, and some cutting would be necessary of the rear deffuser(black plastic piece on the bottom of the rear bumper). To me duel exhuast is pointless, weighs more, cost more, potentially makes the sound sloppy, its only really useful for the bling bling factor.

[Virgil]

I agree with the wieght, but think about how light the rear end of the car is, now add the power of a Euro m3 motor (which is what I am planing to to if I don't go the route of the subaru. Its really the only super bling I want on my car, I don't care for sound systems and all of that stuff but this is about the only over the top thing other then a tasteful widebody (not to wide, just accentuates the lines of the car) which I have yet to source but have some ideas.

[myblueTI]

A lot os si's around here are turbo or run nitrous, Saint Paul had a huge asian population. and my clutch is dying out which doesn't help.


do you go down to the midway on the weekends? So many civics but the new trend are those neon srt-4 whick are fast as hell. they can pull pretty good right out of the factory but its still a dodge :no:

[nick_hegel]

do you go down to the midway on the weekends? So many civics but the new trend are those neon srt-4 whick are fast as hell. they can pull pretty good right out of the factory but its still a dodge :no:

Yeah those SRT's are pretty quick. But only retards buy them cuz of the marketing of them and have no individual style in modding a car. and you are sooooo right about it being "still a dodge." As for midway, I used to go a lot when i got my first car, but I hate the sppd. they pull everything in sight over for nothing and just harass kids. I quit going cause I was sick of seeing asian cars everywhere and getting stares from hardasses in mustangs :_punch: . I enjoy "schnitzeled" cars more than riced ones.

[nick_hegel]

Nice Kill :2gun: New SI look like little minivans.

I drove a 95 vtec accord with short ram air intake. 2.2l SOHC stock @145 It was deffinatly had a torquey-er feel than my BMW. The Ti is geard more for acceleration so I think its faster. Off the line I think the accord would have the jump.

Before that a 91 si crx (coolest looking honda ever, well until s2000). It felt very similar to the BMW more so than the Accord.

Of course I'm only comparing acceleration. The Ti is WAY better in any other comparison.




Your car looks really sweet and Im sure it sounds great.

Guess I just had to state the obvious: 18in rims and 200lbs of stereo equipment is gonna really slow you down.


-Dave 98 117k

Thanks, LOL I know, I know she has "gut" u could say. But it helps to drown out the fart cans when I crank the stereo. :biggrin: I should mention most civics don't pull on me in the twisties, thats when they go to hell cuz they bought their entire suspension on ebay for 39 bucks.(Not a lie, I know a kid who bought his "coilovers" for an '92 acura integra on ebay for that much) :no:

[nick_hegel]

I think a small dose of boost will fix this problem :biggrin:

mmmmm boost. I've been thinking about that or a swap. Waiting until I have the car paid off and then save up for a Downing Atlanta sc. Maybe a turbo but I haven't really decided cause I'm not that close to doing it yet.

[Csvt]

well i am totally lost on what you guys are talking about.. but here are some pics of the SI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tour4reak/DSC02421.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tour4reak/DSC02422.jpg

[m44ic]

well i am totally lost on what you guys are talking about.. but here are some pics of the SI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tour4reak/DSC02421.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tour4reak/DSC02422.jpg

hey Ive seen that car Before,.....in my rear view mirror. :biggrin: lol

[Csvt]

i uhh.. um.. saw your car throught the front window moving away from us FAST!

[m44ic]

mmmmm boost. I've been thinking about that or a swap. Waiting until I have the car paid off and then save up for a Downing Atlanta sc. Maybe a turbo but I haven't really decided cause I'm not that close to doing it yet.

my vote would definetely say, boost, these little b@stards have so much potenial. for example Raima ran something like 13.2 on 19 psi S/C'd

[Virgil]

Screw boost, I want my M3 euro engine baby.... 3.2 liter 340 hp and all the class you can handle with an M3 under the hood.

[m44ic]

Screw boost, I want my M3 euro engine baby.... 3.2 liter 340 hp and all the class you can handle with an M3 under the hood.

cant deny that either, I love to hear that inline six scream.

[nick_hegel]

cant deny that either, I love to hear that inline six scream.
Thanks for helping me make up my mind!!! :blink: jk

[m44ic]

Thanks for helping me make up my mind!!! :blink: jk

your welcome :biggrin:

[Csvt]

cant deny that either, I love to hear that inline six scream.


get a job with me and you hear it every day :biggrin:

[nick_hegel]

What field do u work in? I'm looking at being a loan officer for mortgage company in Saint Paul. and just out of curiosity where the hell is Cottage Grove, Wisconsin???

[m44ic]

What field do u work in? I'm looking at being a loan officer for mortgage company in Saint Paul. and just out of curiosity where the hell is Cottage Grove, Wisconsin???

he works at Zimbrick and Cottage Grove is about ten minutes outside of Madison its like pleasant ville suburbs

[demeegod]

Will someone define JDM?
ALso, DTM?
EVO?

... now this is a funny story for y'all. My car has huge 19" rims and is heavy as all F#$k. The clutch is starting to slip. Last week I was next to a Cadillac CTS and he just started revving at me. Im thumping my music and thinking "What the hell is that?" ... well he looked at me and the light... so anyhow.... i think... no ones around.. why the hell not?

I take off at 4500k dumped clutch, im ahead of him by about a car. Then Pop clutch and second and still ahead. Then even have a chance to hit third gear when he's right about to catch up ... well.. someone turns in front a side street and right in front of him. He slams the brakes and i just keep flying by. I start laughing my ass off cuz the guy in front of him just kept going and i kept going but he pitched his car sideways and had to get out to check his car.

Anyhow, not bad considering that car has 4 cylinders up on us.

[nick_hegel]

Will someone define JDM?
ALso, DTM?
EVO?

... now this is a funny story for y'all. My car has huge 19" rims and is heavy as all F#$k. The clutch is starting to slip. Last week I was next to a Cadillac CTS and he just started revving at me. Im thumping my music and thinking "What the hell is that?" ... well he looked at me and the light... so anyhow.... i think... no ones around.. why the hell not?

I take off at 4500k dumped clutch, im ahead of him by about a car. Then Pop clutch and second and still ahead. Then even have a chance to hit third gear when he's right about to catch up ... well.. someone turns in front a side street and right in front of him. He slams the brakes and i just keep flying by. I start laughing my ass off cuz the guy in front of him just kept going and i kept going but he pitched his car sideways and had to get out to check his car.

Anyhow, not bad considering that car has 4 cylinders up on us.

DTM---I forget cuz I'm drunk right now, but JDM=Japanese Domestic Market and I believe EVO is just short for Evolution. And your car sounds just like mine except for 18's not 19's. My clutch is dying now too!!!!

[bimmerboi318]

3.73's you could have taken him. I'm alot closer to keeping up with my friend's maxima now with the 3.73's (love the maxima). And the SRT-4's are crazy. I'm lucky enough to work at a dodge dealer as a tech and was even luckier to be able to take it for a test drive as long as I wanted. I was very impressed and it had to be the fastest car I've driven. Aside from the power, it felt very stable at 135mph when I wisely decided to back off. Yeah its still a dodge and still feels like a neon inside. Altough I love the seats.

[m44ic]

3.73's you could have taken him. I'm alot closer to keeping up with my friend's maxima now with the 3.73's (love the maxima). And the SRT-4's are crazy. I'm lucky enough to work at a dodge dealer as a tech and was even luckier to be able to take it for a test drive as long as I wanted. I was very impressed and it had to be the fastest car I've driven. Aside from the power, it felt very stable at 135mph when I wisely decided to back off. Yeah its still a dodge and still feels like a neon inside. Altough I love the seats.

sweet my best bud has a maxima, he just did a 5spd swap and is about to throw a vortech on, I love max's too

[m44ic]

oh man the scene up here is getting out of control, ok so last saturday night me and my buddy were out cruisin around and stopped at taco bell cause there was a bunch of people there. So we are talkin to people and a guy said that they were leaving to go race at a spot they have, so we all go there in one big line attracting all kinds of attention, how no one got arrested that night I have no clue. anyways we get out there and its packed, there was like 30 people there. it was mostly civics including the Si that I spanked who refused to race for real, also a mustang GT, my buds maxima,porsche 944 S and this Evo 8 with everything and T4 turbo upgrade, it was crazy. So there is racing going on and stuff, and so I decided to go and it was me, my bud in the maxima and this 88 Porsche 944 S all on the line and the maxima beat the Porsche by a car length and I stayed right on the Porsches bumper. I was so suprized that I kept up, it was sweet, but my car was also stripped for sound install, oops did I say that out loud :biggrin: But right as the last people were leaving a cop was driving by, what close call.

[Woofy318i]

I think the new Civic Si looks like a meatloaf.

[L84THSKY]

I was at a state park on Long Island 2 weekends ago with my son. We were riding our bicycles around and spotted something. In one of the large parking fields was an SRT-4 club gathering. There were over 50 of those cars all lined up. Each color group was kept together. I guess those guys take their cars pretty serious.


3.73's you could have taken him. I'm alot closer to keeping up with my friend's maxima now with the 3.73's (love the maxima). And the SRT-4's are crazy. I'm lucky enough to work at a dodge dealer as a tech and was even luckier to be able to take it for a test drive as long as I wanted. I was very impressed and it had to be the fastest car I've driven. Aside from the power, it felt very stable at 135mph when I wisely decided to back off. Yeah its still a dodge and still feels like a neon inside. Altough I love the seats.

[mickd]

I was at a state park on Long Island 2 weekends ago with my son. We were riding our bicycles around and spotted something. In one of the large parking fields was an SRT-4 club gathering. There were over 50 of those cars all lined up. Each color group was kept together. I guess those guys take their cars pretty serious.
One of the guards at my work has an SRT-4. Yeah, some of these guys are serious alright. He just installed a larger turbo and is in the process of installing a controllable fuel management system along with new fuel pump, fuel regulator, and larger injectors. He said it will make 300+ HP easy at lower boost levels. I asked him about increased turbo lag with the bigger turbo and he said it won't matter, when the boost comes on, it will make up for any lag. I'm not a big fan of these cars but at least the guy is serious. Said he would give me a ride in it when it's done, would be fun. But I will never stray from BMW.

[nick_hegel]

One of the guards at my work has an SRT-4. Yeah, some of these guys are serious alright. He just installed a larger turbo and is in the process of installing a controllable fuel management system along with new fuel pump, fuel regulator, and larger injectors. He said it will make 300+ HP easy at lower boost levels. I asked him about increased turbo lag with the bigger turbo and he said it won't matter, when the boost comes on, it will make up for any lag. I'm not a big fan of these cars but at least the guy is serious. Said he would give me a ride in it when it's done, would be fun. But I will never stray from BMW. They are quick, but it's still a Neon! About all I would want is a ride in it too! Then get out and smile as I walk back to my car!

[mickd]

They are quick, but it's still a Neon! About all I would want is a ride in it too! Then get out and smile as I walk back to my car!
I was really surprised to hear that the motor in the neon is the same Chrysler 2.2 that replaced the VW 1.7 in the Omni/Horizon in the early 80's. I wonder what they did to the motor to handle the power, and how reliable it would be in the long run. Reviews I have read say the SRT-4 is not very refined, and I would think our ti's would probably outhandle them on a road course.

[nick_hegel]

Reviews I have read say the SRT-4 is not very refined, and I would think our ti's would probably outhandle them on a road course. I agree! The suspension on those make it look like it has a lift kit sometimes. TI's may be under powered, but they can always handle really well!

[m44ic]

this Si that Raced is now slammed to the ground and has rediculous wheel hop, the guy who owns it talks massive amounts of **** but refuses to race, so I will install my B&M and take a few things out of the car and give him a taste of german engineering :biggrin:

[nick_hegel]

the guy who owns it talks massive amounts of **** but refuses to race Gotta love that!! Kick his ass, seabass :evil_lau: !!!

[bense]

I was wondering how I beat him, so I did a little research to find out why. I think its because honda's engines make very little torque for their size and that the i-VTEC in the b20 doesnt kick in untill 5,500 rpm, so he was only in VTEC for about a half of a second which was why he got his @ss handed to him. :biggrin:

the motor is not a b20, a b20 is found in honda's CRV.
the motor is a k20a3, and it is in fact 160hp. VTEC doesn't kick in at 5500 on this motor either, hell the redline is fairly low 6500 i believe. On the contrary 1999-2000 civic si, which are b16a2 equipped VTEC engages at 5500rpm, however, it redlines at 8000 from the factory. Just because a car doesn't make torque (power below 5252rpm) doesn't mean that it isn't fast. Honda's engineers have matched gearing with their high-revving torqueless wonder.

Congratulations you may have gotten a slow ep3 (chassis code for 01+ civic si) but there are 1000s of civics around that will hand you your ass. My old setup made over 300 hp on 7lbs of boost for example. and that's from a 1.8 liter.

[AlaskaBlue]

On a side note about honda engineering. I raced my friends Integra Type R.

The race went like this.

3. 2. The Integra Type R takes off. (No waiting around for that 1. and Go stuff for him) I was thinking great I the race just started and he already has a car length I am screwed. I get myself together launch and catch back up with him because his motor has to rev so much to get power. On the first to second shift I am dead even. In second gear I pull about half a car. Second to Third I start to pull some more. Then the integra driver misses a shift and goes to fifth instead of third. I shut down with about a 3/4 of a car length lead when he missed the shift.

The Integra Type R is not finished, however, in an atempt to regain some pride he decides to fly by on the right after I had shut down. I let him by I had already won.

[not2fast]

Street racing. So classy!!

Isn't that beneath BMW owners?

[nick_hegel]

Street racing. So classy!!

Isn't that beneath BMW owners?
Unfortunately Bimmer does not always equal class. Look at bimmerforums.com and you have some of the most unclassy people on the web. Most of the Offtopic is porn and an entire thread is devoted to Kill Stories/Racing.