m3 swap quote from Koalamotorsports...

[bimma313]

Brett Anderson at Koalamotorsports.com quoted me for $3500.00. I had to send him a second email. He said $3500.00... To good to be true?

[bmwpwr]

Do it and let me know how it turns out. Ill be next in line for that price. It sounds a little too good to be true..

[96cali]

That might be just labor. He is my mech and a top notch dude to boot. His website quotes $8-$9k total though right?

BTW I'm local to him and would be happy to help you out in any way you need.

[J!m]

That sounds about right for labor only...

[m-technik_ti]

Thats gotta be labor only, or i'd be all over that like fat kids on cake.

[Dredder]

way too much for labor alone. He better have included differential upgrade. suspension for that much. I paid roughly $1600 for labor. $3500 labor is a ripoff

[bimma313]

My interpertation was 3500.00 full swap.. parts to me meant such as the minor things hoses, fluids etc...... he didnt say 35000.00 plus engine and tranny...unless i read it wrong.




3500 plus parts for engine and transmission conversion.

Thanks

Brett Anderson
KMS


> -----Original Message-----

> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:47 AM
> To: brett@koalamotorsport.com
> Subject: RE: 318ti conversion to m3
>
>
> $3500.00 for the full engine swap?
>
> >From: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <brett@koalamotorsport.com>
> >
> >Subject: RE: 318ti conversion to m3
> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:34:12 -0400
> >
> >Hello.
> >
> >$3500 plus parts.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Brett Anderson
> >KMS
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:01 AM
> > > To: sales@koalamotorsport.com
> > > Subject: 318ti conversion to m3
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am intrested in doing a 318 ti auto to M3 manual conversion. I
> > > just wanted
> > > to get a pricing. Thanks.
> > >

[1996 328ti]

way too much for labor alone. He better have included differential upgrade. suspension for that much. I paid roughly $1600 for labor. $3500 labor is a ripoffI've known Brett for years. He ain't cheap but you get what you pay for. He will stand behind his work. I bought my Quaife from him.

[Dredder]

My swap was done by a quality BMW only shop. They also stand by thier work and It comes with a warranty. Work done by this shop is approved by Local dealers here in oregon. They have every equipment that the dealers use. GT1 BMW computer diagnostics is not by any means cheap. When my car was diagnosed by this machine it pass with flying colors. $3500 for just labor is a little expensive. If you think, this is a 18-20hr job. So for $3500 this guy is charging you $175 per hour. Check around Bimmerforums.com for swap prices and you will find that its aroung $1600-/+ a few.

[Carstereopro]

Turner Motorsports quoted me $5200 for labor for the full swap.
Engine, tranny, front suspension, brakes, steering rack, drive shaft, exhaust, with new clutch & slave cylinder, water pump, spark plugs, new fluids, and I think brake fluid change.

My friend and I ended up doing it ourselves (he is a mechanic) for free labor. I paid $3800 for a complete M3 that was rolled, and spent $1000 on new parts like clutch, upper strut mounts, bushings, and a few misc other things.

So my complete swap, labor, parts, etc cost me under $5k.

[AlaskaBlue]

How difficult is it to do a swap like this by yourself? Things like wiring seem like it would cause problems or is straight forward?

[Dredder]

its pretty much a simple bolt on. as long as you have the tools then you shouldnt have any problem

[Dredder]

To make simple just go obd1-obd1 and obd2-obd2. People that spend a fortune and the ones the convert obd2-obd1. ask Maurolin how much he spend on just conversion alone.

[AlaskaBlue]

I have a OBD-I and I would use a 3.0 OBD-I engine also. I have seen engines on ebay and stuff I thought about buying, but I was afraid it would be extremly difficult to hook up. So basically I only need a complete engine with wiring harness etc. Get M3 motor mounts. Anything else for a barebones swap?

[Dredder]

power steering line, ecu, air flow sensor, air filter(cheapest CAI alternate = $35k&n cone with $5 flexible toilet pipe from home depot come in 10ft), A/C line, all the accessories(alt.,a/c/power steering pump), modified(shorter) radiator hose(top) for 1995 BMW M3

[AlaskaBlue]

What would be a reasonable price for all of that and a 3.0 engine? This maybe a summer project if I can get together the funds. Birthday and Graduation money will be coming soon.

[Dredder]

if you are doing it urself then just for the parts is what you pay. like i said before. $1600 -/+ for labor only. If you have a 98 then i have a source for the engine complete erady to drop for 3K

[AlaskaBlue]

ahh mine is a 95, but I do live close to zionsville autosport. They do OBD-II to OBD-I conversions.

[1996 328ti]

I'm sure people could do it for less.
OBD-II to OBD-II is a little more involved than OBD-I to OBD-I.

[m-technik_ti]

Wow, i think im gonna have to go stateside to get a swap done......I cant find a shop that does it over here for less than 15,000 CDN ($12,000 USD) for a low mileage s52b32 motor. Anyone know of any places in Seattle Washington that do swaps?

[Dredder]

Seatlle is only three hours away from us. What year is your TI? Pm me if you are interested. OBD2 - ODB2 M3 engine is what i have available. Cheaper alternative than converting it back to OBD1. The shop is willing to do it all over again. Let me know so people here dont get ripped off for the labor alone.

[gooten1]

I got quoted around $5300, and that was for OBD-II to -I 2.8L motor with M cams, headers, wiring harness, clutch, and flywheel. That was just for the 2.8L, Aluminum block motor. Sexy, yes, but not as much power as the M motor. As a daily driver, I don't need M power daily. (Although further mods might be possible.)

[Dredder]

That’s pretty cheap considering your getting the clutch and flywheel, M cams, (? headers). If that include part(s) and labor then I would definitely jump on that deal. It’s not much to get the 2.8 into M3 specs. Put about 1k into the engine and you'll get there fast. Look around bimmerforums.com and you'll find numerous threads about it.

[inlacal]

Has anyone had this swap performed in Los Angeles?

[Dredder]

inlacal: you must be fully loaded. I love your 89 M3. Thats my favarite bodystyle M3. As far as the swaps in LA, any independent shop should be able to perform this swap without any complication. California is very restrictive when it comes to engine swap. You might want to check your local ordinance. I believe the your only option is to swap a 98 or higher m3 engine with transmisision.
Since I beleive money would not be an issue for you, you might want to go with MZ3 or MRoadster complete rear subframe including differential, brakes, etc.. Your front end option you can go E36 M3 Suspension setup (strut, LCA, bushings, spring, swaybar, Rotors, caliper.)
Once your done with the reinforcement mods, i would give actice autowerke a call, get that bad boy force induced. 500whp on a 318ti....let me say,.... rolling rocket.

[inlacal]

Dredder...Thanks for the compliments bro. It's only a matter of time before my wife finds out how much I have invested into our automobiles at which point I will be a bachelor again.

My M3 is my pride and joy...While I don't have the pictures yet, I just (yesterday) had a glass moonroof installed on it....Yes....A factory glass moonroof. I believe there are probably less than 100 out there (if that).

S52 swap: Money is always scarce believe it or not. To do the front and rear suspensions would be nice, but I would probably go completely aftermarket and just get a complete Dinan setup (if money weren't an option).

Can you or anyone else speak to the handling difference with a six cylinder up front? I know the euro compacts have the M50's in them, but where else was weight distributed. My gut tells me that there is something different in the euro copmacts' mass/balance to compensate for putting extra weight up front.

Do our cars understeer with more weight above the front wheels?

[Dredder]

with the m3 suspension up front you gain the durabilty of a stiffer ride. My mechanic says the only difference with euro 6cyl 318ti and US 4cyl 318ti is suspension and differential setup, plus the battery is located in the rear. Thats atleast a 45lb. saving up front.

[inlacal]

Since I don't think that I'd want to get into relocating the battery, my thoughts are carbon fiber front hood and fenders...That should be good for 25-30lbs.

[cali-ti]

dredder, do you know how/where they stored the battery in the back? i wouldn't mind doing that and it would be nice to do with more or less factory parts.

[Dredder]

I have not seen it personnally but when people convert to 6cyl most relocate the battery to the rear right corner. It could be where the euro battery is located. I dont know as i have not seen it personally.

[jcarp]

Wow, i think im gonna have to go stateside to get a swap done......I cant find a shop that does it over here for less than 15,000 CDN ($12,000 USD) for a low mileage s52b32 motor. Anyone know of any places in Seattle Washington that do swaps?

Carb Connection in Kirkland, WA has done lots of these swaps. 425-820-1871

[tonymasone]

Hey, where are you located getting this swap? and did you end up with that price?

[myblueTI]

I Love cake!!!!!!
:rolleyes:
doesnt every fat kid
:2gun: