KO Performance 1.9l Eaton supercharger kit

[KOjag]

KO Performance 1.9l Supercharger kit is based on the Eaton M62 roots supercharger (used in Downing Atlanta) and produces 220 BHP. The kit is built on a tubular intake manifold and we are offering an indroductory price of $2,499 for the complete kit.
Runs 8 psi
220 bhp
Eaton M62 SC
Built in By-pass system
includes pre-set Fuel pressure regulator
KO tubular intake manifold with longer runners for increased torque.
includes everything for complete instalation
$2,499.00 intor price until september 1.
List price $2,999
For more info call (888) 581-1035

[CirrusSR22]

KO Performance 1.9l Supercharger kit is absed on an Eaton M62 roots supercharger (used in Downing Atlanta) and produces 220 BHP. The kit is built on a tubular intake manifold and we are offering an indroductory price of $2,499 for the complete kit.
Runs 7.5 psi
220bhp
Eaton M62 SC
Built in By-pass system
includes pre-setFuel pressure regulator
KO tubular intake manifold with longer runners for increased torque.
includes everything for complete instalation
$2,4999
For more info call (888) 581-1035

Pics?? $2,499 ain't bad at-all compared to DASC.

[Blackie]

KO Performance 1.9l Supercharger kit is absed on an Eaton M62 roots supercharger (used in Downing Atlanta) and produces 220 BHP. The kit is built on a tubular intake manifold and we are offering an indroductory price of $2,499 for the complete kit.
Runs 7.5 psi
220bhp
Eaton M62 SC
Built in By-pass system
includes pre-setFuel pressure regulator
KO tubular intake manifold with longer runners for increased torque.
includes everything for complete instalation
$2,4999
For more info call (888) 581-1035

Can we get group buy pricing? Any one interest in a group buy for this supercharger?

[pdxmotorhead]

I'd be more interested if I could see some really detailed pics...

Dave

[angel318ti]

What about warranty?

[KOjag]

Questions:
warranty one year
Group buy... $2,499 this is intro price , not much over cost. probably going to be around $2,999 in the future. (try buying an Eaton m62 s/c by itself $1,800).
Any how Im downloading pics right now from my camera I'll post those right under this post.

[KOjag]

These pictures are raw and not pretty yet, the install can stand to be a little cleaner but this car beats M3's or a regular basis.
http://www.318ti.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=594&stc=1http://www.318ti.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=596&stc=1 http://www.318ti.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=597&stc=1

[Blackie]

What's the difference between this and DASC? it looks identical?

I want one. Do you have some sort of installments program?

[ZeroG]

What generation M62 is that? It does not look intercooled, will there be one available? How are you handling the additional fuel required? How much boost does the system run?

-Chad

[DustenT]

What generation M62 is that? It does not look intercooled, will there be one available? How are you handling the additional fuel required? How much boost does the system run?

-Chad

Chad your right, that does look different than ours. I'm interested in the tubular intake runners, can we see some more pics? Just for a comparision, here is a good pic of the DASC close up.
http://180customs.net/v-web/gallery/albums/BMW/009_Blower_Assembly.jpg

[AlaskaBlue]

Will that work with the 1.8 M42? Will KO be selling any other mods to go with it like pullies, intercooler, injectors, software?

[KOjag]

Will that work with the 1.8 M42? Will KO be selling any other mods to go with it like pullies, intercooler, injectors, software?
Yes it will work for the m42, and yes we have an upgrade kit with the pulley, water injection, software + injectors+air mass meter. But the kit puts down the 220 bhp out of the box.

[Dredder]

Post some dyno numbers!!!!

[pdxmotorhead]

Is the installation manual available on your web page somewhere?

I didn't have my wife look for me so I probubly would never find it.
(Old married dude joke....)

Dave

[Tyler]

I say for those of you that want a S/C on your car with Semi high mileage your better off buying a new/used engine if your in it for the long haul. Why put a S/C on a car with 70,xxx+ when your just harming the engine for the long road. Better off saving up you 3 grand for the S/C and put it aside for a used 3.0l engine . Then you'll have 250+ hp and you don't have to s/c it and take away ur engines life. Plus any other engine than the M42 and M44 you can do mods to it alot more mods. If you are to S/C ur car it's better off doing it when it's new not with xx,xxx mileage. Cause if you can have a S/C for 3 grand and get what 200hp or like 160 to the wheels why not save up 5-6 grand and get twice the amount of hp. I guarantee my car with 85,xxx will last longer than anyones ti with a S/C on it.

Sorry for the rambling on....
Just trying to open peoples eyes up alittle.

[DustenT]

I say for those of you that want a S/C on your car with Semi high mileage your better off buying a new/used engine if your in it for the long haul. Why put a S/C on a car with 70,xxx+ when your just harming the engine for the long road. Better off saving up you 3 grand for the S/C and put it aside for a used 3.0l engine . Then you'll have 250+ hp and you don't have to s/c it and take away ur engines life. Plus any other engine than the M42 and M44 you can do mods to it alot more mods. If you are to S/C ur car it's better off doing it when it's new not with xx,xxx mileage. Cause if you can have a S/C for 3 grand and get what 200hp or like 160 to the wheels why not save up 5-6 grand and get twice the amount of hp. I guarantee my car with 85,xxx will last longer than anyones ti with a S/C on it.

Sorry for the rambling on....
Just trying to open peoples eyes up alittle.

I haven't heard of anyone having problems with supercharging a high mileage 318ti. I put mine on at 100,000 miles and haven't had any problems, it's fast, and it still has the factory weight distribution. I just turned 120,000 miles yesterday, I drive it everyday for work (about 80 miles a day) and it is the most reliable car I have ever owned. Oh, and I get over 30 mpg. And I didn't have to yank my motor or ECU or EWS or suspension or exhaust or radiator.

[Tyler]

I haven't heard of anyone having problems with supercharging a high mileage 318ti. I put mine on at 100,000 miles and haven't had any problems, it's fast, and it still has the factory weight distribution. I just turned 120,000 miles yesterday, I drive it everyday for work (about 80 miles a day) and it is the most reliable car I have ever owned. Oh, and I get over 30 mpg. And I didn't have to yank my motor or ECU or EWS or suspension or exhaust or radiator.


All i'm saying is it decreases the life of your engine. (depends on the driver)
And for the money you better off saving up that extra couple of grand to get that extra hp.

DustenT--what else can you do to your car to get a good gain of HP? Eveyone knows you can't do much to these unless you S/C like urself. But besides that there isn't anything you can do to get a significant gain of HP.

[DustenT]

All i'm saying is it decreases the life of your engine. (depends on the driver)
And for the money you better off saving up that extra couple of grand to get that extra hp.

DustenT--what else can you do to your car to get a good gain of HP? Eveyone knows you can't do much to these unless you S/C like urself. But besides that there isn't anything you can do to get a significant gain of HP.

Keep it mind that we drive 318ti's. Do you REALLY want to stick $6,000 into a car that blue books at $6,000?

If you want 6 cylinders, save up that extra couple grand and buy yourself an M3. That way you won't have $12,000 stuck into a car that's worth $6,000. With the M3 you'll get a way nicer interior, plus suspension and brakes that a built to handle that kind of power. You can put as much power as you want into a car, but you need a way to control it, otherwise it's kind of pointless. So with the extra couple grand you save up, save another 2-3k for big brakes, another 1-2k for misc. suspension parts, etc...

[DustenT]

We are getting off topic here, let's give the thread back to the KO guy, so he can tell us more about his supercharger. I'll start a different thread to carry on this argument. :biggrin:

[AlaskaBlue]

Well I have heard that the guys that auto-x their 318ti's that a S/C is a superior choice over an M3 engine.

Don't get me wrong, I would love a ridiculous turbo M3 motor in my 318ti. This S/C does seem like a good alternative.

I am intested in getting it.

I also think it is awesome to have a "inferior" 318ti with the 4 cylinder that can beat a stock M3.

[AlaskaBlue]

Can you post up some videos of the S/C 318? I second dyno numbers

[DustenT]

Can you post up some videos of the S/C 318? I second dyno numbers

Are you looking for video of the KO supercharger or just a supercharged ti? Chad has a dyno chart of his DASC'd 318ti (RIP) somewhere in his gallery. I'm going to guess that the performance from this kit will be similar, if not identical to the DASC. They use the same Eaton charger and the same basic non-intercooled design. Keep in mind that the 220 hp that KO is claiming is at the crank. There is no way to get 220 hp to the wheels with only 7.5 psi, unless you add some Nitrous to that mixture. You will probably see 160-180 hp at the wheels. That might seem low, but it's a 40% increase in power, which is pretty huge for a car that only weights ~2800lbs. If you wheel dynoed a stock ti, you'd probably only see ~110 hp.
I have a couple videos on my website if you want to see what a supercharged ti does (in circles anyways).
http://180customs.net/video/BMW-WI-Donuts.wmv

[AlaskaBlue]

Ha I have seen the vids of yours. It does nice donuts and makes me want more power.

I was wanting a video of the KO kit. Maybe vs. a M3 or on a auto-x track.

[Platanos]

ok, i feel dumb for asking this, but does a car have to be a stick shift for it to be s/c?

would i be able to beat the stock m3 with my automatic trans :icon_evil

[96cali]

would i be able to beat the stock m3 with my automatic trans :icon_evil

If you physically removed it and beat on the M3, then yes. :wink:

[DustenT]

If you physically removed it and beat on the M3, then yes. :wink:

Your automatic will be about 1.5 seconds slower than a manual in a 1/4 mile.

[nick_hegel]

If you physically removed it and beat on the M3, then yes. :wink: rofl

[KOjag]

Is any one here in South Florida? You should give us a call and come have a look at what we have or go for a drive.

[DustenT]

Is any one here in South Florida? You should give us a call and come have a look at what we have or go for a drive.

Preferably someone with a DASC, so they have something to compare it to. Or you could post a dyno chart.

[KIRASIR]

This thread is USELESS without:

a) Pictures

b) Dyno charts with A/F ratio

SL

[pdxmotorhead]

There have been some pics. Would you want detailed pics of your hard work published so some offshore company could copy your design and put you
under?

Dyno charts don't always mean squat. I've seen many engines turn huge dyno numbers and suck for any other purpose.

I'd rather see a set of 6 1/4 mile run time slips with and without the blower. AND have someone drive one from Florida to the west cost
just to show they can.... :)

Just my .02 bucks worth.... Worth at least what you paid for it :)

Dave

[TiPerformance]

Nice Nissian Frontier S/C, with modified stock lower intake manifold.

[L84THSKY]

That is why I love a powerful four banger, it's unassuming! :wink:

I also think it is awesome to have a "inferior" 318ti with the 4 cylinder that can beat a stock M3.

[AlaskaBlue]

I volunteer to test the kit. Put it on a 152,000 mile motor with all the upgrades and I promise to drive the crap out of it and video tape it. I will also take it to the drag strip and auto-x it. See the only problem is I need a free one :wink: .

[L84THSKY]

OOOOOOOH......I love a guinea pig :wink:


I volunteer to test the kit. Put it on a 152,000 mile motor with all the upgrades and I promise to drive the crap out of it and video tape it. I will also take it to the drag strip and auto-x it. See the only problem is I need a free one :wink: .

[pdxmotorhead]

I volunteer to test the kit. Put it on a 152,000 mile motor with all the upgrades and I promise to drive the crap out of it and video tape it. I will also take it to the drag strip and auto-x it. See the only problem is I need a free one :wink: .

Thats it,,, take one for the team! :tongue:

Dave

[KOjag]

If you guys are interested, one of our local customers is going to take a video this week end and hes spending some time on the dyno.
(888) 581-1035
jag@koperformance.com

[stormos]

excellent, upload it :)

[KOjag]

I ll have it posted by monday, im gona upload a dyno run tonight from our own test car with the out of the box numbers. Look for it tonight
Joe Ghattas
Jag@koperformance.com
(888) 581-1035

[DustenT]

I ll have it posted by monday, im gona upload a dyno run tonight from our own test car with the out of the box numbers. Look for it tonight
Joe Ghattas
Jag@koperformance.com
(888) 581-1035

Now were talking!!

[nuvolarossa]

Are you looking for video of the KO supercharger or just a supercharged ti? Chad has a dyno chart of his DASC'd 318ti (RIP) somewhere in his gallery. I'm going to guess that the performance from this kit will be similar, if not identical to the DASC. They use the same Eaton charger and the same basic non-intercooled design. Keep in mind that the 220 hp that KO is claiming is at the crank. There is no way to get 220 hp to the wheels with only 7.5 psi, unless you add some Nitrous to that mixture. You will probably see 160-180 hp at the wheels. That might seem low, but it's a 40% increase in power, which is pretty huge for a car that only weights ~2800lbs. If you wheel dynoed a stock ti, you'd probably only see ~110 hp.
I have a couple videos on my website if you want to see what a supercharged ti does (in circles anyways).
http://180customs.net/video/BMW-WI-Donuts.wmv
Have you other videos of 318's supercharged (dasc, custom, this...) I searched them but I have find nothing :mad:

[adamud]

I volunteer to test the kit. Put it on a 152,000 mile motor with all the upgrades and I promise to drive the crap out of it and video tape it. I will also take it to the drag strip and auto-x it. See the only problem is I need a free one :wink: .


Ill put my 96' sport with 165k up for that test too.

[AlaskaBlue]

Where are the dyno numbers and vids?

Two volunteers, completely unbiased, high milage cars, obd-I, and obd-II. Promise for independent videos, independent dyno, and indepndent racing.

What could be a better test and show of faith? Putting the kit on the line with daily driven and weekend raced cars. Showing the 318xx community what our cars can do with a little FI, it is the perfect test.

[KOjag]

Ok ladies, here is the dyno, keep in mind we are located in Miami and ambiant temp. plays a role in HP figures. KO s/c 96 z3 1.9l M44 vs stock 97 Z3 1.9l M44.
http://www.318ti.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=648&stc=1

[KOjag]

http://www.koperformance.com/temp_pic/KO_SC_96_z3_1.9l.GIF
Here is a link of a biger picture

[AlaskaBlue]

Nice numbers. I am assuming those are at the wheels, right? Because the stock only pulled 120ish. Is that with the stock kit or the upgraded kit with the smaller pulley, w/a injection. and upgraded software?

[KOjag]

Those numbers are at the wheels. KO specializes in the development of bolt on systems for the e36 M3 and the modification of existing systems for a more efficient power plant.
KO has spent an absorbent amount of time in R&D on the M44/M42 engine to develop more power at lower rpms as well as an un-matched 200 HP+ at the top of the power band. The major difference is in our manifold design, we utilize the same long equal length runner intake manifold style that BMW used on the car originally which maintains high air velocity through out the power band. Also the greater distance between the S/C and the cylinder head allows the air to cool , as well as reducing heat soak from the engine to the S/C housing.
To place your order on this system at our introductory price of $2,499. Please email :jag@koperformance.com with your contact info and one of our representatives will contact you shortly.

[cali-ti]

is an installation instruction manual available online (pdf or whatever) now? i'd like to see the procedure to see what all is involved.

[stormos]

is an installation instruction manual available online (pdf or whatever) now? i'd like to see the procedure to see what all is involved.

Excellent, will ask you for installation advice once yours is on then ;) LOL

[myblueTI]

So will the dasc or this give you more power?

[ZeroG]

http://www.koperformance.com/temp_pic/KO_SC_96_z3_1.9l.GIF
Here is a link of a biger picture

Got anything with the Wide Ban graph?

-Chad

[AlaskaBlue]

Those numbers were for the unmodified 2,499 dollar one right?

[KOjag]

Those numbers were for the unmodified 2,499 dollar one right? Yes the dyno you see is for our out of the box bolt on kit. Dyno runs of the modified kit with pulley and water injection software etc.. are yet to come, one of our customers plans on taking his system to the next level and we will be there for the dyno.

[gooten1]

Saw the boys at KO performance at Summerblaze. We talked SCs, and I'm interested now.

[Viper3812]

Saw the boys at KO performance at Summerblaze. We talked SCs, and I'm interested now.

Same here, very interested.

KOjag, I'll be down in Miami early on Thursday to check out your S.C. in action and we can talk about tranny swapping.

[318spirit]

I am not joking when I say that I purchased my 318IS today. I have driven it home and that is about it other than the test drive. I am interested in the new supercharger but I have a problem, that being that I got a $6000 loan to purchase my $4500 BWM and the supercharger system costs $2499. That leaves me short $1000 ATM. :mad: Will you be extending the $2499 offer past the original date of September 1? :confused: If not it is my loss and is understood. I will get other modifications first and save up for the supercharger.

[cali-ti]

Same here, very interested.

KOjag, I'll be down in Miami early on Thursday to check out your S.C. in action and we can talk about tranny swapping.
please post your comments/thoughts/etc after your visit as i'm sure those of us who are unable to visit would be very interested to hear about your experiences. thanks :)

[96cali]

Seems like the Kojag unit, but Lisa's Ti hit 190 with Dasc and other small add ons.

Kojag- did these Z3's have modded exhausts or other drivetrain parts?

[Viper3812]

please post your comments/thoughts/etc after your visit as i'm sure those of us who are unable to visit would be very interested to hear about your experiences. thanks :)

No problem, I will let everyone know and I'll bring my camera for some close up pics.

[AlaskaBlue]

I think I need this S/C. I almost got beat by a cadillac with a northstar. :2pistole:

[Shaggy]

Yeah I heard a little bit about KO performance S/C at Summerblaze but I dunno i'm still deciding on that or Mosselman turbo.

[maherbaz]

hhey how much is that mosselman?

[Panzer_M]

Keep it mind that we drive 318ti's. Do you REALLY want to stick $6,000 into a car that blue books at $6,000?

If you want 6 cylinders, save up that extra couple grand and buy yourself an M3. That way you won't have $12,000 stuck into a car that's worth $6,000. With the M3 you'll get a way nicer interior, plus suspension and brakes that a built to handle that kind of power. You can put as much power as you want into a car, but you need a way to control it, otherwise it's kind of pointless. So with the extra couple grand you save up, save another 2-3k for big brakes, another 1-2k for misc. suspension parts, etc...

I got a clubsport and I say my interior > a e36 M3.

[KOjag]

Compare the HP numbers on the turbo to the S/C and check out which one hits first and which one has more power, I think you will agree that the Eaton S/C hands down beats the turbo every time.
Any how, after talking to some guys at Summerblaze, I want to run a group buy for the S/C at $1,999. I need at least 5 people, We already have one as of last night so email me if your ready to do this. email: jag@koperformance.com
Please include year , model, name and day time phone number. thanks
Joseph Ghattas
(888)-581-1035
KO Performance

[L84THSKY]

That price sounds very tempting. My questions are, what does the completely installed system look like when in it's final design? The pictures you show have a mess of wires going everywhere. Show me simple installation instructions and a final version installed and I'm a believer.

Compare the HP numbers on the turbo to the S/C and check out which one hits first and which one has more power, I think you will agree that the Eaton S/C hands down beats the turbo every time.
Any how, after talking to some guys at Summerblaze, I want to run a group buy for the S/C at $1,999. I need at least 5 people, We already have one as of last night so email me if your ready to do this. email: jag@koperformance.com
Please include year , model, name and day time phone number. thanks
Joseph Ghattas
(888)-581-1035
KO Performance

[cali-ti]

Compare the HP numbers on the turbo to the S/C and check out which one hits first and which one has more power, I think you will agree that the Eaton S/C hands down beats the turbo every time.
Any how, after talking to some guys at Summerblaze, I want to run a group buy for the S/C at $1,999. I need at least 5 people, We already have one as of last night so email me if your ready to do this. email: jag@koperformance.com
Please include year , model, name and day time phone number. thanks
Joseph Ghattas
(888)-581-1035
KO Performance
i wish i could do this now but funds are lacking (too many other prorities come before this). i guess i'll have to wait for a later group buy in a year or so (and that'll give time for others to gain experience with the kit and provide feedback too). as this is my only car right now (although i have access to my girlfriend's car), i really can't afford too much downtime. i look forward to all the positive feedback and experiences with the kit (and mods/further developments as well)!

as with L8 though, i would still like to see the install manual and pics of a completed install (detailed, large res).

thanks!

[maherbaz]

DASC makes a big deal out of retaining stock highway mpg. Would the KO be similar, only operating 20% of the time to conserve fuel?

*Edit* Also, I am having a tough time comparing the dyno charts for the KO with those of the DASC. I don't think the DASC charts on their website are measuring at the wheels. Does anyone here know how to compare the two?

[AlaskaBlue]

That is a killer price :eek: !

How much does the upgrade kit cost?

[Chi-Town Z3]

I hate to burst your happy little bubbles BUT this Joe guy is the same guy that screwed many Z3 owners over his "829.00 Supercharger". He's the same guy that had a the www.z3power.com web site and touted his cheap s/c. Just email Shawn Fogg sfogg@attglobal.net about him, he can tell about all about his POS S/C, I'm frankly suprised his alive after taking some many members money.

[Chi-Town Z3]

Heres some happy customers, LOL

http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/z3/4663071-3.html

[96cali]

Good warning but I read thru all those roadfly posts and there was no damning evidence that I could see. What were the serious problems? Not shipping, shipping incomplete goods or f-ing up an engine? Can you be specific? The shipping things are part of being a startup. It would suck yes, but it hardly sounds like a scammer. You get what u pay for. My .02.

[Viper3812]

Well I'm finally in Miami and I'm going to check this S/C out tomorrow when I go to KO. I'll let you guys know how it went.

[AlaskaBlue]

KO performance is a legit company. I hope this guy is legit. It sounds like a really good deal.

[nuvolarossa]

Hi KOjag I have a question:
How much is the diameter of m62's pulley on your kit?

Please help me... seem to be a good kit for that money... :rolleyes:

[KOjag]

Hi KOjag I have a question:
How much is the diameter of m62's pulley on your kit?

Please help me... seem to be a good kit for that money... :rolleyes:
We use a 3.1 " pulley for 8 psi

[KOjag]

We had a few of you guys come out and look at our kit I know one of the guys who came was active on this forum, any feedback?

[Dredder]

Seems like the Kojag unit, but Lisa's Ti hit 190 with Dasc and other small add ons. stage 3 tuning is not by any bit a small mod.

edit===
KO, this is a great achievement pulling just a little under 200rwhp from stock internals with no modification. What number are you expecting with bigger pulleys and alc/h2o injection?
What is your plan on people with M44 engine knowing the internals are not forged? They are not as strong as m42 engine. Will this kit have a internal ugrades for m44?
Are you going to have stage upgrades for the kit? Stage 1 - 3 or whatever.

[KOjag]

Pistons, rods , cams are all available , We can package them as stage 2.3.4. etc. But you would be surprised how much power you can make just by removing the cat with our s/c, we see another 30 HP at the top and we run more CFM at the same pressure. IE: We use a smaller pulley after removing the cats and the boost PSI stayed the same but we picked up about 30 HP. We also have a 3" ID throttle body to go with that, the idea is , there is a lot of power to be made with these engines without going in the motor, its all about calculating the maximum efficiency.

[cossieturbo]

I may be interested in this deal as it sounds like a great offer. ("I want to run a group buy for the S/C at $1,999. I need at least 5 people"). Is this kits fit and finish plus its instructions on par with the DASC? Thanks.

cossieturbo
Erik

[KOjag]

We just finished another install on a car this afternoon, he has our out of the box $2,499 supercharger with no extras. The car will be here until monday morning so I will post some pictures of the install so you can see what the finished kits you will recieve will look like under your hood. As for the installation manual, it is full of pictures and assumes no previous mechanical knowledge. I am not at liberty to send out copies of the instruction manual without purchase because it contains pictures and information that we have spent alot of money to develope. But if a potential customer contacts me for information I can send you a text only version of the manual so you can decide if you can do the install yourself.
BTW: John Paul (CEO of KO performance and my boss) is having the kit uploaded on our web site september 1st and at that point I will not be able to sell at intro price. The list price for the supercharger kit is $2,999 and all intro pricing or Group buy pricing will be over september 1st. So if you are going to buy the system I would call and lock in a price. 3 people have locked in the $1,999 Group buy price already.The superchargers are in stock.

[AlaskaBlue]

Ok I am liking the way this sounds. Now lets use my car as an example here. It is a 1995 318ti motor with the M42. I have no catalytic converter. I do have a dinan chip. I want lots of power. Would the kit come with some custom burned chip since it is a 95 OBD-I for my specific application? I consider this very important especially if I decided to go with a higher stage upgrade kit.

Also how much boost can a stock M42 engine take?

What are the limits to the power of an M42 without going into the engine?

Say I want 300-400 hp on my 1.8 is that something that is even possible with modified internals?

[KOjag]

Would the kit come with some custom burned chip since it is a 95 OBD-I for my specific application? I consider this very important especially if I decided to go with a higher stage upgrade kit. Our kit is designed to run on stock software with the stage one(200 RWH), however , we have a stage 2 setup for $3,650 ($1,650 if you already have the s/c)
that consists of:
larger injectors, a chip, and 3" air mass meter, 3" throttle body, water injection and an 11 psi pulley is good for up to 250 HP at the rear wheel which is the maximum HP the internals will support.

Stage 3 $6,300 :($4,200 if you already have our supercharger kit)
consists of Forged pistons, rods, KO header-back exhaust system, H20/alc after charge injection, 14 psi pulley , 70 degree thermostate, 3" throttle body, software,injectors, HFM, stage 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel--300+HP.
At the end of the day the stage 3 will cost about the same as the M3 swap and is a 100HP greater then a stock M3 engine.

[Dredder]

Our kit is designed to run on stock software with the stage one(200 RWH), however , we have a stage 2 setup for $3,650 ($1,650 if you already have the s/c)
that consists of:
larger injectors, a chip, and 3" air mass meter, 3" throttle body, water injection and an 11 psi pulley is good for up to 250 HP at the rear wheel which is the maximum HP the internals will support.

Stage 3 $6,300 :($4,200 if you already have our supercharger kit)
consists of Forged pistons, rods, KO header-back exhaust system, H20/alc after charge injection, 14 psi pulley , 70 degree thermostate, 3" throttle body, software,injectors, HFM, stage 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel--300+HP.
At the end of the day the stage 3 will cost about the same as the M3 swap and is a 100HP greater then a stock M3 engine.


Are these numbers just flying off actual results or just a guestimate?

[KOjag]

Are these numbers just flying off actual results or just a guestimate?
Actual results, when we were developing the kit we continued to add boost and cooling systems, larger pluming untill the engine internals failed under parfect AFR just due to more power then the rods will take. Then we rebuilt the engine forged and added more boost until the engine would roast an M3 clutch and tear the diff off of the poorly designed rear sub-frame. But as to your question, yes thes are actual averages of our HP figures.

[city]

Our kit is designed to run on stock software with the stage one(200 RWH), however , we have a stage 2 setup for $3,650 ($1,650 if you already have the s/c)
that consists of:
larger injectors, a chip, and 3" air mass meter, 3" throttle body, water injection and an 11 psi pulley is good for up to 250 HP at the rear wheel which is the maximum HP the internals will support.

Stage 3 $6,300 :($4,200 if you already have our supercharger kit)
consists of Forged pistons, rods, KO header-back exhaust system, H20/alc after charge injection, 14 psi pulley , 70 degree thermostate, 3" throttle body, software,injectors, HFM, stage 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel--300+HP.
At the end of the day the stage 3 will cost about the same as the M3 swap and is a 100HP greater then a stock M3 engine.

What will your chip actually be programmed to do? Would it benefit me to use it with my DASC and supersprint exhuast? Also will the stage 2 kit work with the DASC as compared to your SC. Is this kit a fairly easy DIY? Last thing, What kind of HP gain could you expect with purchasing the stage 2 kit and using it with the DASC?

[Dredder]

as far as chip goes why not just contact NickG @ techniquetuning. its pretty much the same probably. I bet KO chip is designed for their setup. Thats would be like taking a m3 chip and putting it on a 325. Unless he can do a custom ship then i would recommend getting TT tinging for DASC. Another way is to sell your DASC and buy this kit

KO, do you gaurantee your rwhp on this kit?

[pdxmotorhead]

You can't wring the full potential of the M42 at stock compression ratio's.

10:1 is too high. If you want to make power you need 8.5:1 and run the blower faster. Otherwise det city here ya come. The 200 to 240 range HP is realistic with caution. Much beyond that and your fighting the inevitable meltdown. Import tuners are like gambling addicts, They only talk about what they won never what they lost. (Broken engines, tranny's etc....) Whether you go DASC or KO the blowers are the same,(For practical discussion) Other than different intake manifolds and a few other detail items ultimate power is going to be pretty much the same AFTER you learn and tune it. If you do a little web surfing on the Magnesun and Eaton sites there are very good tables on Boost to HP and the actual results are pretty close.

You should also read http://www.sdsefi.com/tech.html For a lot of good pretty straight info.

Just my opinion mind you.... :biggrin:
Dave

[Blackie]

No problem, I will let everyone know and I'll bring my camera for some close up pics.

Got any update/comments regarding this kit?

[Tyler]

Do you have this on a website,so we can take a better look and read more info on it?

[Viper3812]

Got any update/comments regarding this kit?

Sorry for not posting, I just moved last week and have been busy and forgot about my trip to Miami.

I saw the supercharger that day and liked the setup. The supercharger I saw was in a Z3 body and looked good. Unlike the DASC this one is away from the engine and I beieve the intake is different from the 318's because this one had an extended air duct to the lower part of the front bumper. I took a picture of it, but am having trouble posting it up. I will try and post it in my gallery if anyone would like to take a closer look of the supercharger.

From what I saw and have been reading I am really interested in buying this supercharger from KO, but can't at this moment because I am short of money, but it will be in my future plan.

[Blackie]

Sorry for not posting, I just moved last week and have been busy and forgot about my trip to Miami.

I saw the supercharger that day and liked the setup. The supercharger I saw was in a Z3 body and looked good. Unlike the DASC this one is away from the engine and I beieve the intake is different from the 318's because this one had an extended air duct to the lower part of the front bumper. I took a picture of it, but am having trouble posting it up. I will try and post it in my gallery if anyone would like to take a closer look of the supercharger.

From what I saw and have been reading I am really interested in buying this supercharger from KO, but can't at this moment because I am short of money, but it will be in my future plan.

Hey thanks for the update! I am going to jump in at the group buy price. Give me a more detail impression whenever you have time.

By the way, thanks for the Supersprint exhaust!

[Blackie]

We just finished another install on a car this afternoon, he has our out of the box $2,499 supercharger with no extras. The car will be here until monday morning so I will post some pictures of the install so you can see what the finished kits you will recieve will look like under your hood. As for the installation manual, it is full of pictures and assumes no previous mechanical knowledge. I am not at liberty to send out copies of the instruction manual without purchase because it contains pictures and information that we have spent alot of money to develope. But if a potential customer contacts me for information I can send you a text only version of the manual so you can decide if you can do the install yourself.
BTW: John Paul (CEO of KO performance and my boss) is having the kit uploaded on our web site september 1st and at that point I will not be able to sell at intro price. The list price for the supercharger kit is $2,999 and all intro pricing or Group buy pricing will be over september 1st. So if you are going to buy the system I would call and lock in a price. 3 people have locked in the $1,999 Group buy price already.The superchargers are in stock.


Put me in for a group buy price. I will call you and work out all the necessary details.

Thanks!

[AlaskaBlue]

Sorry for not posting, I just moved last week and have been busy and forgot about my trip to Miami.

I saw the supercharger that day and liked the setup. The supercharger I saw was in a Z3 body and looked good. Unlike the DASC this one is away from the engine and I beieve the intake is different from the 318's because this one had an extended air duct to the lower part of the front bumper. I took a picture of it, but am having trouble posting it up. I will try and post it in my gallery if anyone would like to take a closer look of the supercharger.

From what I saw and have been reading I am really interested in buying this supercharger from KO, but can't at this moment because I am short of money, but it will be in my future plan.

Did you get to see the kit in action or ride in the car? Any impressions as far as how well you thought the kit performed?

[Viper3812]

Did you get to see the kit in action or ride in the car? Any impressions as far as how well you thought the kit performed?

Unfortunatley I did not get to ride in the car. I wanted to, but the owner was not there and no one else had the keys and I couldn't wait any longer because I was running late to the airport.

[95BLACKti]

I really enjoy my ti, which I have lowered with Bilstein shocks, springs and 16" MM2 wheels and Yokohama tires. Car handles like a go cart and rides nice and is very tight. uses or leaks no fluids and has been very reliable.

I have read all the articles on supercharging; but I am curoius to the reliability of the M42 engine after induction mods and if driveability is effected.

Owners with some mileage on their modified engines, please provide feedback with reference to any engine problems; i.e. overheating, oil consumption, blown head gaskets, warped heads, lower end problems, etc.

Are there driveability problems; overheating, rough idle, hard start characteristics, poor gas mileage, etc.

I have a (recently) rebuilt automatic transmission and wonder if the supercharged engine places unacceptable stresses on the transmission. I would even consider getting a second ti; if the AT can't handle the horsepower. But I spend the majority of my commute (12 miles one way) going less then 20 mph; it often takes 45 min- 1 Hr to get to work.

I like the idea of more available horsepower but I am afraid that I may end up spending $3000 for the horsepower and inherit reliability and/ or driveability problems.

Any suggetsions/ feedback is appreciated.

r/ Mike

[pdxmotorhead]

Most supercharged production engines last as long as non supercharged engines IF the loose nut behind the wheel behaves. :)

Unless your just winding the crud out of the motor all the time the eaton blowers are pretty invisible driven mildly. Most don't even know you have one...

If your conservative and don't turn up the system too far the life should be not a lot different than what you would have gotten with-out the blower.

Not to say there arn't side effect of a supercharger. IE you have to buy better than 89 octane fuel...

Dave

[AlaskaBlue]

Any updates on the S/C so far? I looked on the KO website and saw no mention of it.

[tonymasone]

Anybody do a 1/4 mile run with this supercharger? 0-60, 0-100, 1/4mile times?

[KdCass]

Is the group buy still gathering?

[KOjag]

Ebay Auction ends tonight check it out. - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7998717169&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

[KOjag]

The KO 1.9l supercharger is officialy for sale and on the market, come have a look. 7 kits sold since the web page posted. Have a look for your self.
http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/turbo_superchargers/ko_performance/1pt8_9_liter_bmw_z3_318_supercharger_kit/ko_performance_e36_e37_1pt8L_1pt9L_bmw_318_bmw_z3_supercharger_kit.htm

[Panzer_M]

my Clubsport is in the shop right now getting some work done, but earily 06 I will be looking for some "boost" in hp.

even at 3400$ for 200+ is cheaper than a S50 swap and lighter.

[L84THSKY]

So I guess the group buy @ approx $2000.00 is long gone.
Your price on the net is now $3199.99.
How were you able to sell the group buy price so cheap?

The KO 1.9l supercharger is officialy for sale and on the market, come have a look. 7 kits sold since the web page posted. Have a look for your self.
http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/turbo_superchargers/ko_performance/1pt8_9_liter_bmw_z3_318_supercharger_kit/ko_performance_e36_e37_1pt8L_1pt9L_bmw_318_bmw_z3_supercharger_kit.htm

[tonymasone]

well if you don't plan on wanting any more ponies, then the supercharger is the way to go, i myself want a supercharged s52 in there, but that's becase i'm crazy

[cali-ti]

my Clubsport is in the shop right now getting some work done, but early 06 I will be looking for some "boost" in hp.

even at 3400$ for 200+ is cheaper than a S50 swap and lighter.
i may be looking around this time myself. perhaps if there's enough interest, we could get together a group buy then.

KOJag, of those 7 kits sold, were any to people on this site? i'd like to see some experiences with he kit posted here (or bimmerforums or wherever) before taking the plunge if possible.

[L84THSKY]

I thought a group buy was done through this site already. That is what some of the messages in the original thread said.

i may be looking around this time myself. perhaps if there's enough interest, we could get together a group buy then.

KOJag, of those 7 kits sold, were any to people on this site? i'd like to see some experiences with he kit posted here (or bimmerforums or wherever) before taking the plunge if possible.

[cali-ti]

yes, there was. can always be another group buy (just like have been done in the past for the DASC) :)

[L84THSKY]

Well if there was, then someone on this site should be installing one soon. Let's find out who bought them.

yes, there was. can always be another group buy (just like have been done in the past for the DASC) :)

[AlaskaBlue]

well if you don't plan on wanting any more ponies, then the supercharger is the way to go, i myself want a supercharged s52 in there, but that's becase i'm crazy

They also sell upgrade kits. I believe the quoted max upgrade kit was at like 350 hp. Which would be quite fun.

[tonymasone]

lol all these horsepower ratings are great, 350hp is nice, but when you spin a bearing and have to replace your entire bottom half of the engine, the s50/s52 swap will look a lot less expensive. It's a miracle these cars last as long as they do, why cut their life in 1/2 or 1/4.

[AlaskaBlue]

lol all these horsepower ratings are great, 350hp is nice, but when you spin a bearing and have to replace your entire bottom half of the engine, the s50/s52 swap will look a lot less expensive. It's a miracle these cars last as long as they do, why cut their life in 1/2 or 1/4.

That involved internal modifications like lower comp. forged pistons, forged crankshaft, different cams.... It wasn't cheap.

[tonymasone]

ahh, i understand tho, there is something cool about keeping the m42/44 in there, and building from that, it's just hard to get low end torque out of a 4-banger, theres just not enough displacement. It'd be nice to have a 350hp m44 lol

[Viper3812]

my Clubsport is in the shop right now getting some work done, but earily 06 I will be looking for some "boost" in hp.

even at 3400$ for 200+ is cheaper than a S50 swap and lighter.

I am hoping that I can get one around the same time if we can get a group buy price maybe back down to $2000.

Kojag: I sent you a message and tried calling about the tranny, but no reply.

[L84THSKY]

OK, I have let a good deal pass me by.

If I can get in on a group buy for the KO supercharger @ $2000.00 or abouts, I'm ready to "BUY IT NOW"! :biggrin:

I am hoping that I can get one around the same time if we can get a group buy price maybe back down to $2000.

Kojag: I sent you a message and tried calling about the tranny, but no reply.

[TiPerformance]

I haven't posted in awhile, but I think that $3100 is pretty high for that kit when you can get a DASC for about the same price. Plus the DASC is a proven kit.

If you really wanted to you could produce a KO performance supercharger pretty easily for about 1/3 of the cost. How you might ask? Well look at the pictures and you wil see it is a Stock lower intake manifold that was modified by welding a plate on it to mount the supercharger. The supercharger that is used is a Very Common supercharger from a Nissian Frontier or Xtera. These superchargers can be picked up on ebay for $100-$400 depending if it is a new or used unit. Piping would be pretty straight forward and as for tuning NickG could probably tune everything pretty nicely for you.

Also I am working on some custom superchargers not for sale but for my personal use if you would like to check out my website. I am just starting to build the site, so it is kind of a mess.

http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkr1q/

[KOjag]

We have one of our superchargers on ebay that ends in tomorow. Check it out , there is no reserve and you could end up taking home the supercharger system for your price instead of ours. here is the link , check it out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8001088379&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT

[96cali]

This supercharger system retails for $3,499 . We are starting the Auction at $2,000 with no reserve .

Your auction says it's starting price is $2000 but the bids start at $2399.00.

Can you clarify is your 200+HP claim at the crank or wheels?

[KOjag]

Here is the dyno chart
click on this link for a full size. That should clear up HP issues. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.koperformance.com/temp_pic/KO_SC_96_z3_1.9l.GIF

[L84THSKY]

Yeah, answer that one :confused:


.

Your auction says it's starting price is $2000 but the bids start at $2399.00.

[KOjag]

Well should I fix the typo in the discription or fix the starting price?
Ill fix the starting price if 5 of you were going to buy it.

If you want to buy it give me a call this weekend (954)-696-7333 and I will match that price, only this week end though, and this is not a group buy,
Just first come first serve until sunday night midnight.
If no one answers, just leave a message with your number and I will call you right back within 20 minutes (954)-696-7333

[L84THSKY]

Just ordered the Supercharger. $2000.00 plus shipping.
Not sure when it will get installed, but probably before winter.

[96cali]

Just ordered the Supercharger. $2000.00 plus shipping.
Not sure when it will get installed, but probably before winter.

Congrats! :biggrin: Think you can swing a dyno run once you get her installed?

[cali-ti]

Just ordered the Supercharger. $2000.00 plus shipping.
Not sure when it will get installed, but probably before winter.
cool. i was hoping for a guineau pig on the forum :biggrin:

[L84THSKY]

Anyone wanna come by Long Island and help me install the Supercharger and LSD?

I'll pay yah :rolleyes:

[cali-ti]

Anyone wanna come by Long Island and help me install the Supercharger and LSD?

I'll pay yah :rolleyes:
if i was anywhere near you, i'd help you out. unfortunately, too far away :(

[Shaggy]

Anyone wanna come by Long Island and help me install the Supercharger and LSD?

I'll pay yah :rolleyes:
I'd love to come by and help also, but only problem is I live down in Naples, Fl. :frown:

[cali-ti]

here's a good link from UUC's website describing the lightweight flywheel and sprung-hub clutch setup. simply put, they can't guarantee no rattle at idle, but they do have some ideas on reducing it if you do get it. http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywheel/gear_rattle.htm

[AlaskaBlue]

Anyone wanna come by Long Island and help me install the Supercharger and LSD?

I'll pay yah :rolleyes:
:biggrin: Im jealous. Let everyone know how it goes...hopefully it goes wonderfully. Oh yeah enjoy your new found power for me. :2gun:

[L84THSKY]

The guy @ KO performance said my clutch won't last 6 months with this new supercharger. Being that my car only has 50K miles, I would prefer not changing it till I have to.

I'm not sure if the reason he claims only 6 months is because the supercharger naturally wears out the clutch, or the aggressive driving habits do it. Either way if the clutch will need replacement shortly after, the only question becomes whether I add a lightweight flywheel at the same time.

I definitely wouldn't try to install the clutch/flywheel myself, so I figure adding the flywheel wouldn't cost much more than if a mechanic was doing just a clutch job.

I'm actually more confident in installing the supercharger, than the LSD. Heard too many stories about modifying the halfshafts and such. The supercharger install is supposed to be very straightforward.

Last thing he said was to consider adding M3 front brakes. Again, that would wait until necessary.

here's a good link from UUC's website describing the lightweight flywheel and sprung-hub clutch setup. simply put, they can't guarantee no rattle at idle, but they do have some ideas on reducing it if you do get it. http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywheel/gear_rattle.htm

[cali-ti]

The guy @ KO performance said my clutch won't last 6 months with this new supercharger. Being that my car only has 50K miles, I would prefer not changing it till I have to.

I'm not sure if the reason he claims only 6 months is because the supercharger naturally wears out the clutch, or the aggressive driving habits do it. Either way if the clutch will need replacement shortly after, the only question becomes whether I add a lightweight flywheel at the same time.
you should be able to go with just a clutch with higher clamping force if you don't want the lightweight flywheel.
I definitely wouldn't try to install the clutch/flywheel myself, so I figure adding the flywheel wouldn't cost much more than if a mechanic was doing just a clutch job.
are you not willing to do it because it's your daily driver? i've never done it before, but was going to give it a shot because i work at home now and can drive my gf's car in a pinch. i do agree the flywheel install shouldn't add much to the labor cost for the install. they'd be in there anyway.
I'm actually more confident in installing the supercharger, than the LSD. Heard too many stories about modifying the halfshafts and such. The supercharger install is supposed to be very straightforward.
with either of those, you want to do your research ahead of time and prepare as much as possible for any issues. there are a couple guys on the yahoo mailing list that have done beautiful installs of the DASC and hopefully you could use a lot of their ideas to improve your install. i really hope to get time to put together an article on the diff swap. i think i ran into pretty much every possible problem so i think i would be a good one to do it.
Last thing he said was to consider adding M3 front brakes. Again, that would wait until necessary.
do you have the vented 32x series brakes or the standard solid rotors? i would think the vented 32x series would be fine. steven with the 2.8 swap (and admin of the forum) only uses the vented 32x series. he even tracks it. you could also do the 330 brake upgrade. if you were going to swap in a complete m3 front suspension, then it would make sense to go to the m3 brakes though.

[atlanta318ti]

Just ordered the Supercharger. $2000.00 plus shipping.
Not sure when it will get installed, but probably before winter.
Congrats!! I just totaled my baby TI unfortunately, and will be picking up my new (okay, preowned) TI next week. If was certain the engine was completely solid, I'd take the rest of my INS money and buy it!! But my conservative nature prevails and I must hold back at least $2k from the insurance for any engine/tranny problems that may be hiding on this next TI. As a testament to TI's, insurance gave me $1500 more than what I paid for the car 18 months ago, but I'm also a real cheap bast..d that runs carfaxes, asks for maintenance records, and is very picky.

There are still a few non-diehard TI owners out there that bought the car and decided it was just easier to trade in a Toyota or Honda every two-three years. Those folks are getting harder to find, but they're out there and they are normally unaware of the differences between sports and standards or that the Kelley value is much lower than the market value. I just bought a silver sport for just over $5k that just broke 100k with all the badges, manual, clean carfax, and over $3k in dealer maintenance over the last three years (both BMW inspections I & II, ac valve, rear springs, power steering seals, rotors/pads front/rear, brake flush, $250 BMW battery - $150 battery / $100 install, etc...). I could tell that she was ready to get rid of the car thinking that it costs too much to maintain, not realizing initially that she was paying way more than what her local non-dealer BMW shop would charge. After she faxed me all the records, she thought she still needed to sell me on the car and told me that I should look into using a local non-dealer shop because she thought maintenance would be less than the dealer. She was afraid I wouldn't buy the car because of how much money she handed the dealer over the last 3 years for what we consider standard shadetree mechanic type work. Wish me luck though!

[bimmer95]

Seems like the Kojag unit, but Lisa's Ti hit 190 with Dasc and other small add ons.

stage 3 tuning is not by any bit a small mod.

190rwhp was with the DASC, an R-Speed check valve, a custom heatshield and a Stromung exhaust only. With Technique Tuning's Stage 3 kit and a 10psi pulley it's putting down just over 200rwhp.

DASC - Before and after S3/10psi....
http://www.understeer.com/images/318ti/318ti_dyno.jpg