Another Swapped Ti Hi all - The Ti is no longer M44 powered. A simple M50/52 swap and everything is much better. MAJOR UPDATE POST #44 First Motor Motor: Fully rebuilt down to block M50/52 - Basically 2.8 OBD1 M50 built by BlueBimma E39 2.8 Block M50 Manifold M50 Head 3.5" MAF New Bearings Mahle Rings Polished Cams Beisan Vanos Pulley Kit OBD-I E46 M3 mounts KN/Spectre Box+Intake Bimmerworld 3.5" Silicone boot Pink Tops ARP Hardware Castrol Edge 5W-40 Bimmerforums Tune for 413 Silver Label DME - EWS Delete, 2nd Airpump delete, 7100RPM, No check engine light and and CEL/Stomp test fully works. No lights on dash! Ebay SS Longtubes -> Y pipe -> Magnaflow muffler -> MeganRacing dual 3" tips muffler. Semi quiet under 3K. Loud at WOT. Moderate amount of rasp. Second motor as of Q4 2017 130Kish S52 donor to be converted to OBD1 Teardown excluding rotating assembly Every gasket/seal etc replaced 3.5' MAF IWIS Race Chains INA Tensioners Febi Guides M50 Intake Bimmerworld 3.5" Silicone boot KN shield to Vibrant 3.5" intake New Cam/Crank OE sensors Reused 2.8 M50 Vanos Pink Tops Stock hardware, no ARP this time :frown: LM 10W-40 Mos2 Exhaust reused from 2.8M50 Cooling Turner Motorsport 6cyl Aluminum radiator Derale electric fan kit with probe Spal 12" low pro pull Mishimoto Tank GEBA Pump Metal thermo housing (upgrade the E39 has bleeder valve but must cut hose) Pentosin Blue Steering - Added Q2 2018 Rebuilt E36 steering rack from RackDoctor AAE Reman LUK/ZF pump Rein Lines Rein Reservoir Liqui Moly DEXIII fluid Suspension Front Bilstein's from E36 328i H&R Z3 2.8 Sport springs E90 Mounts (Will be going back to E36) UUC 27MM Swaybar Vaico control arms Rein swaybar links Febi E36 M3 control arm bushings E34 steering coupler (Changed back to stock rubber. Too harsh for street) Suspension Rear Koni SRT shocks H&R Z3 2.8 Sport springs (Changed to stock Z3M Roadster) Too low IMO E46 M3 mounts with AKG reinforcement plates Ireland Engineering Subframe bushings Ireland Engineering RTAB Condor Springpads Stock swaybar Brakes - Front Stoptech Sport Pads ECS Tuning SS lines New Calipers for vented from BimmerBum! Meyle blanks Brakes - Rear Stoptech Sport Pads ECS SS lines Rebuilt calipers from BimmerBum! Zimmerman blanks Driveline UUC Black Trans mounts Stock Getrag from BlueBimma's previous swap. Roughly 310K, fluid changed Pennzoil Synchromesh every ~10K 4.10 Medium Case LSD Short Shift Kit from Mcoupe bits Power Flex diff bushing E36 M3 Flywheel and clutch SS line M3 Slave 325 Driveshaft Q3 2018 will be new GKN 6cyl axles and Febi rear wheel bearings Wheel/Tire Square 17x7.5 OEM Contour on Sumitomo HTRZ3 225/45/17 Stock sports on Blizzak WS 60 225/50/16 Lighting Euro Bosch Housings with 6K LED city lights DDM Tuning Plus 5K HID kit Stock fogs with Nokya 3500K halogen Depo Smoked corners Ebay clear sides Phillips LED plate bulbs (Lasted longer than any other options) Interior Mainly stock M-Tech that I have tried to take care of. LED interior bulbs 6cyl cluster - OBD1 with gauge rings ZHP shift knob Fire extinguisher because I no longer trust it Entertainment Pioneer X3500ui HU Stock front tweeters and door 2.5" Pioneer 5.25" in kickpanel Kicker 6X8" in stock rear location. Covered in black speaker fabric Alpine SWE1042 (Oldschool 2000s) Subwoofer powered by Kicker CX300 (Very efficient) Need to finish a few things, get a new hood and have front bumper and nose panel painted. Bodywork will be done this spring and it will no longer be a DD! |
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2 Attachment(s) Way to loud exhaust This was single 2.5" after y pipe to MeganRacing resonator to Megan Racing muffler. Basically straight piped. Lots of rasp and annoying imo at WOT. Not considerate for neighbors/am commute. Did pop and ruble nicely or downshift and deceleration. |
Great swap! How is the vibration level with the E36 M3 motor mounts and poly transmission mounts? I have stock E36 M3 motor mounts and E46 M3 transmission mounts; had to remove the red poly trans mounts because it buzzed like hell in my S52-swapped car. I am interested in hearing about the difference between E36 and E46 motor mounts. |
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Great write up! I have been thinking of doing this or just swapping my auto tranny with a 5 speed. How much did the engine swap cost ya? Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk |
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Looks great. Hey what's your guys contact info? |
Are you asking for the guy that built the motors contact info? Bluebimma on here but more active on BFC Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I guess I can provide an update on it. It's my daily currently and while not the most comfortable or convenient still makes me smile. So far it's eaten a water pump (shocker) and I was able to source a Geba locally. PS lines started to leak so reservoir and lines were replaced by a local motorsport shop. Work and a project E30 give me almost no time to focus on this thus not much progress to report. Oil filter housing gasket and vanos line and VC gasket also have been replaced. It was leaking quite a bit from the vanos line that it ended up killing a starter. The starter was very gritty with oil residue all over internals. As of now everything mechanically has been taken care of and I enjoy it everyday. |
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Motor and does he do the swap as well? |
Doubtful but send him a pm on BFC where he is more active: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/m...4168-Bluebimma |
Great Swap ! |
So long as it's a decent weekend I plan to do the rear suspension. Doing rear swaybar links and bushings as well. -Koni SRT shocks -HR Z3 2.8 Sport (Not sure why they are red but part# is sport) -URO pads 7.5MM. Planning on grabbing Condor Speed shop's urethane stackable pads. I have a feeling it might be too low. -FEBI E46 M3 Mounts -Lemforder links -OEM rubber bushings http://i.imgur.com/OtxCaqvh.jpg Going to try new exhaust setup hopefully by mid May. SS longtubes -> ypipe -> 2.5" flex pipe -> Magnaflow straight through muffler -> MeganRacing muffler 3" tips The magnaflow should be a little louder while not being as harsh as it was with just a very small resonator. If not then a new combo. I like playing with exhaust setups. http://i.imgur.com/m3AjI3wh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GelFBxlh.jpg Before exhaust work, brakes will get least all purchased and lined up to do. Will be going vented stock, blank rotors all around, Pentosin DOT4, ECS SS lines, rebuilt calipers using Stoptech Street pads. Will be adequate for street driving. Thanks to Bimmerbum on the brakes. After mechanical then front end body work. Fun never ends |
Looks good but 4.10:1 on the street is screaming for a six speed... or less rear gear. I wouldn't go beyond 3.91:1 myself. Get those brakes sorted!!! |
While I'd like to go 6spd budget doesn't allow for it currently. 4.10 is nice around town but at 65mph I'm at 4K. So I just drive slow right lane. I hope to be mostly done by end of May with it, save for minor bodywork. Brakes will be done in coming weeks. Rear suspension done this weekend. Sits to low for my personal pref and the stress on halfshafts. (HR Sport Z3 6cyl) I have one more spacer to add on spring pad but won't do enough. Will be testing out some new springs locally. Smoked rears added as well. http://i.imgur.com/hMNS3VXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/e3RlnD3h.jpg |
Damn. Those springs are completely compressed! Only the small coils doing anything now. Do they bang on bumps being that tight? |
It's by design per HR. The Z3 forums have a few threads with people shocked, thinking they are broke etc. supposedly it's so the spring don't fall out. Either way I'd like to be higher in rear. Going to try Bav Auto springs next. Maybe go factory sport 6cyl Z3? They're easy enough to swap might as well mess around. With a medium diff and 4cyl stock haldshaft I don't wanna go to low though. Looking for e30 325i ones currently Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
The big 'nipple' keeps the springs in... Unless you're doing Dukes of Hazard maneuvers I think they'll stay in. I'm running stock M Roadster in the rear of mine. I'm happy with ride, height and they haven't fallen out either! I did go with the heavier M Coupe rear sway due to the heavier body on the ti compared to the roadster. |
The pads even come with an adapter to lengthen the nipple. I'm going to assume it was for extreme situations but that's there design. I'll mess around with a few setups to find the right height. It does feel better then the 4cyl sports. |
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The only spring that comes to mind that I might be willing to try is the IE "stage 3" rear springs, see if they sell those separately. I think in three weekends time I will have time to drive down and compare height with the OEM Z3M spring I have, if it looks okay height wise and IE is willing to sell me only the rear springs I might give it a shot. Best of course is to save up for a real coilover set.... or the Groundcontrol coilover conversion. BTW how come you don't use the e30 halfshafts? I didn't even know stock ti halfshafts worked with the med size e30 diff.... and that 4.1 seems too much for me!! I even mentally complain about my 3.46 sometimes. Quote:
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Anassa - Noted on the Bavauto. Looking for different otpions now, maybe will try stock Z3M. Let me know what IE says and cost? I'd be interested in a rear set as well. As for rear halfshaft just have not gotten around to getting some and putting on. The 4cyl ones barely fit but they do. They have to be walked on somewhat. 15K miles on MI roads and still fine. You have any photos of the z3m springs on yours? Would you want to sell or does it have too much rake? |
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http://318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=42609&page=2 Post 27/28 to see how it sits And comparison between 1.9 z3, bavauto, stock ti: http://318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34892&page=5 Post 66 I will keep you up to date on IE, but again that will be a few weeks, M-F is impossible and my next two weekends are full. But I will definitely keep you up to date. |
Anassa - Wow those stock Z3M springs are rather higher. Wasn't expecting it to be so tall. Let me know what IE says. Are you going for an E30 spring or Z3? I'll be putting the final spring pad in this weekend. |
Had some light exhaust work done. Currently SS longtubes, y pipe, 2.5" Magnaflow to MegaRacing muffler w/dual 3" tips. It's ok. I'd like to find either Mcoupe muffler or a Supersprint from other model and make work. It's quiet under 3K for most part, pops on a downshift but WOT above 3500 is stupid loud still. Sealed the paint this weekend with Griotts One Step Sealant. Very easy to use product, not a harsh polish but that is to be expected with an AIO product. Painted new nose panel, bumper, and brakes as well in garage. Painting was easy. Bought online color match paint. I made some goofs as this is the largest project I've done so far. Needs wetsanded and buffed since there is some orange peel. Thankfully with flat white it's not that noticeable. I would recommend getting 2K clear so it will set faster, apply overall better. But this was $7 vs $20 per can and I'm nearing the budget set aside for the car. Needs to touch up some body spots and small interior items. Buy E30 halfshafts, fix tune/misfire issue and should be 95% done. http://i.imgur.com/fXfvssHh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jloEThXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rU3aUI5h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zrKy2ich.jpg http://i.imgur.com/veVszfKh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/La0uVzSh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/La0uVzS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IzCxgno.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GFUgmAg.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GSoOeXy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mwGUB1c.jpg |
Happy 4th everyone. Got the front brakes done. SS lines, stock vented, stoptech sport pads. http://i.imgur.com/KjqVq9i.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FAGYanH.jpg |
Going is good. Stopping is better! |
Stopping is good. Setup is similar to before but with all new hardware I have somewhat peace of mind. The car won't be tracked and even rarely pushed on the street so a simple stock setup seemed to be most effective. Stoptech pads are dusty but effective one broken in. Got the new finder liners, brake ducts bumper and nose panel on. Bumper and nose panel are both Ebay so fitment is not that great. I can work it to close some of the gaps. Paint appears to match in most lighting which is great for the $20 per can. Roughly little more then a local shop would charge to can some matched paint. The fogs need some hardware and I need to solder in a new wiring then those will be in. Then I needs to tidy up the engine bay visually. Move the reservoir, sleeve some wiring. It's getting there. http://i.imgur.com/dqd038x.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JqLbd7g.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Z4SSsoC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FsEfneI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QaekXqN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GmfxYUO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/M9S1m0f.jpg |
Looks great man! How's it handling the summers days? Are you happy as I would be with that swap?! Seriously does it drive better with the swap because honestly I love the way my M Sport handles and the gas mileage keeps me smiling! |
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about that. I'm already running 6cyl HR springs. It's a very easy car to drive around town. Do not need to wind out the motor like the 4. This is also due to 410 diff. I can say the easiest 318Ti I've driven has been a 6.0 LS swapped one. So much torque everything is effortless. Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk |
hey ZEK- I just put your shock set up in last night lolol.... they actually ride quite nice! You should fly up soon before summer is over... josh |
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Glad you got them on. BlueBimma, myself and few others will be going up to http://northernworthersee.com/ |
What did you do about EWS? I just swapped an m50 vanos into my 318ti and everything is together but for some reason it won't crank over all the way. I checked fuse 18, relays,grounds, hard wire did the fuel pump, red label 413 dme, snipped the green wire in pin 7, changed cool packs, bought a second red label dme. I'm so lost. Any help would be awesome. Also I'm new to the forum so if this isn't an appropriate comment on your thread please let me know. I've searched this forum and I've done pretty much everything everyone suggest to get the car started. My chassis is a 1997 318ti obd2 and the engine is a 1993 m50 vanos obd1. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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IT turns cranks but doesn't turn over. I have non Ews dme so the dme has no ews. I cut the little green wire on pin 7. |
Ah, red label. Sounds like something isn't wired correctly. Don't mess with fuel pump wiring. I assume it worked fine previously, highly unlikely that is culprit. I believe there is a black shielded wire that you also need to connect by the fuse box. Use this swap thread: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...er-Swap-Thread Also check photo of bay on page 2 for some wiring. |
Not the x20 plug but the x6031 plug the thread is talking about. I have nothing to plug into it. The engine harness and red label dme is all my swap came with and there's no plug to o into it. when I removed the previous motor (m44) I had a small x6031 connector on it. |
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It still doesn't turn over. I don't have a #14 pin on the x6031. So the thread to suggested to follow didn't work. I only have 12 in the x6031. Also the main relay is getting power. Maybe the ecu or injectors aren't getting power. Idk. I'm lost. I'm getting spark and the grounds/positives are all good. All my relays and fuses are good. Ews wire cut. Red label non ews dme. STill not starting. |
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