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View Poll Results: Who will be more successful at autocross
My son in his 2002 BMW 325ci 7 35.00%
Myself in my sons 1999 BMW 318ti 13 65.00%
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:20 PM   #31
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.... Teen Ti WATCH BOTH YOUR CARS LIKE A HAWK for a week before going out LOL.
haha, he won't be going anywhere near my cars, and if he does he knows that ill strike down with swift vengeance upon his beloved 1600-2
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:51 PM   #32
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Not trying to say he will hurt the car your driving somehow slow it done but most likely do something to make the car he's driving better (new sticky tires) or who knows what those old guys are sneaky and know some tricks that we don't yet. Best example Smokey Yunick.
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haha i know, we've got enough respect for one another but if he wants to put nice tires on one of my cars ill take it
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:28 AM   #35
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I love this! Wish I could be in NY for the main event this summer. I voted for Dad, but only 'cause I am closer to his age than teen ti's .

Assuming one drives ~1500 miles per month and gets 25mpg, your wager is 60 gallons of dinosaur juice. At ~$4/gal, the wager is ~$240. Let's call it $250 to account for the estimation factor.

More so than wheel size, my experience is that the right tires on a lighter car make the biggest difference for an autoX. So, Joe... I think you need to slap $600 worth of 225/50-16 competition rubber on the stock 16-inch wheels that came with your son's ti. Inflate them to ~45lbs at each corner to increase the stickiness, dial out any understeer and keep the bottom of the tire in contact with the pavement. You will drive circles around him!

teen ti will then subsidize your outlay by buying one month's worth of gas for you. You will be out $350 for the win, but you will corral eternal bragging rights to being the better driver. Isn't that worth $350? When it is all over, you might even be able to sell him the new sticky autoX wheel/tire setup for $350! $350 for a set that has only been used for one autoX is a deal! I'm sure there are many autoX'ers here that will buy them from you if he doesn't. Bwahahahahah! Age and experience, indeed! [Joe--Hope I did not just give away your strategy!]
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:12 AM   #36
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I love this! Wish I could be in NY for the main event this summer. I voted for Dad, but only 'cause I am closer to his age than teen ti's .

Assuming one drives ~1500 miles per month and gets 25mpg, your wager is 60 gallons of dinosaur juice. At ~$4/gal, the wager is ~$240. Let's call it $250 to account for the estimation factor.

More so than wheel size, my experience is that the right tires on a lighter car make the biggest difference for an autoX. So, Joe... I think you need to slap $600 worth of 225/50-16 competition rubber on the stock 16-inch wheels that came with your son's ti. Inflate them to ~45lbs at each corner to increase the stickiness, dial out any understeer and keep the bottom of the tire in contact with the pavement. You will drive circles around him!

teen ti will then subsidize your outlay by buying one month's worth of gas for you. You will be out $350 for the win, but you will corral eternal bragging rights to being the better driver. Isn't that worth $350? When it is all over, you might even be able to sell him the new sticky autoX wheel/tire setup for $350! $350 for a set that has only been used for one autoX is a deal! I'm sure there are many autoX'ers here that will buy them from you if he doesn't. Bwahahahahah! Age and experience, indeed! [Joe--Hope I did not just give away your strategy!]
haha not quite my strategy, I highly doubt Matteo would let me change anything on the car without his approval, especially with the bet. And I've got a feeling that if he allowed me to put on some new sticky tires he'd make a caveat where they stayed on the car and technically belonged to him. But he told me that on race day I am allowed to modify the car to whatever spec I desire. However, that only gives me a few hours to work on the car and I'm probably going to have to spend a lot of that time making sure he hasn't sabotaged me in any way. Thats the problem with Matteo, he's probably one of the best in terms of sportsmanship when it comes to others but I know what he's capable of if he feels like screwing with me and as his father he gets a kick out of such things. Either way that gives me a maximum of I'd say 1 hour of time to prep the car at home and maybe another hour at the track. Frankly I'm not too worried about it and am feeling fairly confident about my chances. It should be a fun day matter the outcome though.

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I like the confidence! I'd still check craigslist an hour before you leave for the track...never know what sort of an edge you might pick up...
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FWIW, my nearly stock 318ti managed to get beat by a whole 0.5 seconds on a 40 second coarse by a Foxbody mustang at the last local auto-X. I suppose I should mention that foxbody mustang driver claimed to be well experienced...and the car was on Hoosier A6s...with a fully built suspension...and a built motor...did I mention it was also supercharged? I actually had him beat until his very last run but I couldn't best my previous runs.

These cars can hold their own. If I could get some front negative camber on the car, I KNOW it would make a HUGE difference as I'm only using about 1/3 of the tire under heavy corners as it is cooking the outside edge of the RS-3s.

Like I said above, driver is about all that matters. That car should have beat me by several seconds...but it didn't. Just food for thought.
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But he told me that on race day I am allowed to modify the car to whatever spec I desire. However, that only gives me a few hours to work on the car and I'm probably going to have to spend a lot of that time making sure he hasn't sabotaged me in any way.
Should only take about 30 minutes to strip the interior except for the drivers seat. Don't forget to ditch the spare tire and all that crap back there. Doing all that should easily save you 150-200 pounds. Keep us posted on the outcome after the event.

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a little update for everybody:

this past saturday both my father and i attended and autocross "school" me in the 325ci and my dad in the ti. the ti has been acting up lately and it seems like under hard acceleration that the driveshaft is hitting the body, as my dad put it, so he took it a bit easy. now I'm not sure how much he was taking off but the ci looked much better in the opinions of the instructors. i was able to stop faster, accelerate better and corner much flatter and faster.
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another update. tomorrow we're both doing a Glen Region SCCA Autocross, me in the 325ci and dad in the ti. Ill post results along with pics and vids afterwards.
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a little update for everybody:

this past saturday both my father and i attended and autocross "school" me in the 325ci and my dad in the ti. the ti has been acting up lately and it seems like under hard acceleration that the driveshaft is hitting the body, as my dad put it, so he took it a bit easy. now I'm not sure how much he was taking off but the ci looked much better in the opinions of the instructors. i was able to stop faster, accelerate better and corner much flatter and faster.
I'd take a long, hard look at the engine mounts. That's what mine sounded like when the mounts were broken in half.
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