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Old 12-06-2012, 10:53 PM   #1
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Hey guys. I need some advice. I'm putting my 1998 318ti on the market ;(. Very sad to see this car go. 204,xxx miles, 5 speed black on black. Car runs/drives great. No mechanical issues. I'm not sure what to ask for this car. I know that they are rare, especially for a 5 sp manual. The dealer claims that they get people asking for this car on a weekly basis.

Kbb.com has a value of $3274 to $2399 for my car. I've put in lots of work and it does not seem worth it to me to let her go for less then $3500 min.
What do you guys think a fair price would be?

Here is some brief information about the vehicle.
1998 BMW 318ti 5sp manual, black on black. 204,xxx miles. $4000.00 OBO

I'm looking for potential applicants to buy my 1998 318ti. This is a great vehicle and I'm very sad to see her go. It currently gets about 29.5 MPG on the freeway. I have owned it for about 4 yrs, and have done all the required maintenance. She has been babied and lives in my garage. I change the oil about every 5,000 miles, there are currently no leaks. I condition the leather every 30 days or so and wax the car every 8-12 weeks.
I say applicants because I'm looking for a special someone to love and care for this car. If you have plans on racing out this car, or otherwise don't bother to inquire. I won't sell it to you. I'm very attached to this vehicle, so I'm looking for the right person. Someone who knows what this car is and the value of the car. You must be a DIYer. This car is very easy to work on, and parts are relatively cheap.

It does have a salvaged title, it was hit in the front left quarter panel when only two weeks old. However there are NO mechanical damages, and the car looks great.

The car runs and drives great. I have recently replaced the following with OEM items:
Ignition Barrel / Lock ($800.00 at the dealer) Mass airflow sensor ($325.00) Both pre/post o2 sensor ($150.00) OEM Catalytic Converter ($850.00) Idle Control Vale ($35.00) Sparkplugs / wires ($150.00) Drive shaft bearing ($45.00) Guibo join replacement ($25.00) Blower motor resistor ($20.00) Both headlights (not bulbs but the bulb housing itself) ($100.00) Fuel filter ($15.00)
There is a wonderful resource on the internet called; 318ti.org. This website is full of 318ti enthusiasts, old BMW mechanics and gear heads. You can post or search the website to learn just about everything you need to know about the car. Need to change out the ___ go look on 318ti.org there is most likely a guide on how to replace it.

Serious buyers only. Please e-mail for more information. Pics to follow.
Thanks -h
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:10 AM   #2
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Well if it was damaged when only 2 weeks old, the damage had to either exceed the value of the car or render it unrepairable in order for the insurance company to write it off as a salvage title. While the 318ti certainly isn't as common as e36 coupes, sedans or verts, there were literally tens of thousands of them released in North America. If it were one of the 300 clubsports made in 1995, perhaps you could get away with calling it rare. But on an enthusiast forum dedicated entirely to a specific make and model where every member owns one, "rare" doesn't mean squat. Since you're asking without any pictures to go by, I'd say a salvaged title with 200k+ miles will fetch about 1500-2k.

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Old 12-07-2012, 03:30 AM   #3
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Its interesting about kbb values. sometimes they are low, sometimes they are high. I don't think i could hazard a guess as to what your car specifically is worth without seeing it in person and even then, - as the cliche goes, "its worth what someone will pay" but i mention these things.
It seems like (since i bought my ti in August) there are a lot of ti's listed in the classifieds that have 200k+ miles on them - and some of them tend to sit for a while. While many of the people on this board know that these engines certainly can go to as high as 300k or more, that number cannot be overlooked. Almost any motor meticulously maintained and babied can last a long, long time, but without receipts of all maintenance for 15+years and the owner being a little old lady. there is little or no guarantee of that except a "sellers word" - which, to a buyer should mean little.
Also, a number of these cars provide a laundry list of "mods" from suspension, engine, stereo, aesthetic etc. While in some cases, modifications can increase value for a car to a percentage of those mods, but IMHO, the type of person who has stiffened, or lowered the car, or tracked/autox'ed it, etc..is probably also the same person who has thrashed the car pretty hard. So in some cases, i think those mods can actually take away from the value. Of course that also depends on who the expected buyer for the car is. When i was shopping for my car i was looking for a stock or at most lightly modded car with as few miles as possible. I wound up with a 2 owner car with 165k miles which is still more than i would have liked, and it wasn't strictly about $, but (at the beginning of summer) i couldn't find a lot of cars with less - or that weren't 5k - despite blue books of closer to 3-4k. I think kbb on what i was buying was about low-mid2K's with its laundry list of issues and i paid $2900 because after a few months search i didn't want to wait any longer. (That and the ones with near 100k for 2-3K were always sold by the time i emailed or called). That said, another CL ad i had a few emails with was a car with 297k miles and the owner wanted 3k for it. I thought, well if the body/interior was perfect, maybe, but no, it had quarter rust, headliner and some clear coat peel, abs light if i remember correctly. But he insisted that he wouldn't take any less, in part because he had recent receipts for almost 3k of maintenance/repairs, etc. And thus thought he was "giving" the car away at that price. Really? The fact that he must have delayed maintenance/repairs such that it needed 3k worth of repairs? I think he finally decided to keep it since, i assume, no one was remotely interested.
Ebay is also a really good determiner of what these cars are worth. For there is wide wide market visibility. For example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ti-/2...#ht_500wt_1182
This car was listed on CL back when i was looking 4-5 months ago. It was listed for 6K+-. I emailed the owner within a few days of the ad being posted and said i was interested in the car, but kbb for it (according to its listed condition/options) was a little below 4k. I said that for me to make a 2+ hr drive i'd have to know he was pretty flexible with his asking price (maybe $4500?) and i referenced kbb but he balked saying kbb means nothing - "for these cars". (as i also have owned a few ducati's, i am used to hearing that)
Anyway, within a few days/weeks the asking price on CL changed to about $5200?. It then disappeared off CL altogether. Funny to see it now on ebay. I think it may still go up a bit beyond where it sits, but after 4-5 months of trying to sell at inflated value, it may not even reach what i tentatively offered him when he first listed it. (And lets not get into high reserves or shil bidding) But that's where i really think ebay can help provide "real" accurate pricing info or perhaps even more, dictates the market.

I don't mean to mess with your thread, but you did ask. Perhaps i am a bit weary of looking at the same ti's on the for sale board that people dramatically overvalue because there is emotional attachment or lots of $ invested in. None of that actually means that a car has more value

Anyway, getting back to your car - sounds like its mostly stock and mechanically 100%, which perhaps make it a bit unlike some of the examples i have mentioned above. If i was in the market still, the asking price isn't so far out of line to have caused me not to respond. Especially if you are in a decent market/big city and its a place that doesn't have a seasonal dip during the winter in non-utility cars. The only drawback i see is a salvage title. While the car still could be 100%, in some states insurance could be higher or other issues related to, including future resale which may devalue the car slightly. Good luck with sale.
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Thanks for the info guys.

Aside from the wheels the car is all stock. I think it has the M sports package. It had M seats before I purchased the car, but they were removed. I actually do have all the receipts for all the work I have done. I even have the parts that I replaced. Because of the salvaged title I had to have CHP inspect the car. The officer looked at things like seat belts, airbags, the abs, tail light headlights etc etc. It passed with no issues.

Although I do see lots of 318tis on the market I see very few black on black 5 speeds. I could not imagine letting this car go for 1500-2k even with the salvaged title. The CAT and 02 sensors alone are worth more than that. If I can't find a suitable buyer I guess I will just keep her.

I will post some pics later this evening.

Oh yeah and I even replaced the Oild Filer Housing gasket. I'm not saying I deserve more for maintaining the vehicle. I'm simply pointing out that I have properly taken care of the vehicle.

Thanks again guys.
-Harri

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:44 PM   #5
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If you are trying to sell it on craigslist, there are quite a few people who will leave the ad immediately when they see the Prior Salvage Title. Black on Black may be rare, but most people on the road do not care what is rare and what isnt. Not trying to get your hopes up, but if I sell mine once the rear quarter has been fixed (it has a prior salvage), I will not expect to get more than 2K.

My E46 323i on the other hand is one of the base model cars that no one wants to spend more than 4-5K for but I will never let it go for that.

We are all in the same boat on different cars or other things. If you are trying to get what your asking price currently is, you should expect it to sit for awhile with no sale.

GLWS though
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Post some pics if you can. If you like the car, but can't get your price, just keep it.
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IN Oregon you get a salvage stamp if you have over 2000 dollars damage. (If you file an accident report)

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