» Site Navigation | | » Recent Threads | | | | | | | | | 03-04-2010, 05:16 PM | #1 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 124 | Found a Brand new DASC from 2004 still packaged up... Asking price is $3k, is that a fair price for something in the box for so long and if so would anything be missing or have changed since then? | | | 03-04-2010, 08:02 PM | #2 | Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 69 | would this fit a M42 or M44? .. and a question ive had on my mind.... is there a difference in DASC's for the engines..? or are they compatible across the board?(this question is for everyone and anyone) | | | 03-04-2010, 08:41 PM | #3 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gulfport, Florida Posts: 3,208 | There are different kits. The superchargers are the same castings but the brackets for accessories are different for the year/model car. | | | 03-04-2010, 08:49 PM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: maritimes Posts: 1,433 | Depends on your budget really... did you factor in shipping? installation? etc. The bill could easily climb to $4-5k. What condition is your motor in? Look at all these factors because what sounds like $3k now could turn into something much more expensive. I know my $600 2.8L motor swap quickly turned into a couple grand, and there is still little things i need. Personally, I couldn't see myself dumping that much into the 4cyls just for 220HP and lackluster torque numbers... but different strokes for different folks i guess! __________________ 11/97 Base 328Ti | | | 03-05-2010, 03:16 AM | #5 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 124 | Looks like it was for a 97 auto, not sure if the auto makes a difference but ill have to look into it. Should be taking a look at the kit this weekend. We shall see. As far as the HP and Torque goes i know its not going to put me anywhere near the M or even 328 #'s but the 4cyl is just a fun engine. I would love to drive a DASC'd TI but they are two few and far between these days. The install seems like a good project for a weekend if i ever get one off. Sooo hopefully i can get the guy down on price and keep the budget below 4k. Though the one thing i know i need is new shocks and springs, that could cut in on things this spring if i get the DASC. One thing is those who have driven the DASC'd cars and the M50/M52 swap cars, what would you say the biggest difference is? I would like to keep the car as stock as possible but just get some more grunt out of the engine so to me this sounds like the best route. I know its been discussed alot but if you feel like offering your opinions id be glad to hear it. Thanks | | | 03-05-2010, 03:21 AM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: 43609 Posts: 3,425 | As far as comparisons go, most whove driven both felt the actual lack of torque. Others said the front of a ti becomes nose heavy due to the extra weight of the 6, though, with proper suspension, is unfelt. __________________ 1995 Hellrot Clubsport 318ti -Gone 1996 Schwartz II Sport 357ti - 5.7L V8 LS1/6 1997 Moregrun Metallic 318ti - Gone 1998 Schwartz II sport 318ti - M50TUB25/5 | | | 03-05-2010, 03:37 AM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 124 | Yea, i was guessing the torque is what i would miss the most when side by side. I have the M Coupe for those days i need to really go. I think the DASC'd M44 will be just fine for me if i can get it for a good deal and suspension upgrades dont kill my spring budget. | | | 03-05-2010, 03:51 AM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: 43609 Posts: 3,425 | The other main difference is cost efficiency of power, lol. An engine swap nets much higher gains than a bolt on supercharger in many ways. A simple 2.5 puts you at dasc level and a 2.5 is only 4-600$ generally. Ive had mine in 3 chassis's so far and must say, the initial actual 600$ to get it in and going without issues, is the best 600$ ive spent, besides my v8. LOL __________________ 1995 Hellrot Clubsport 318ti -Gone 1996 Schwartz II Sport 357ti - 5.7L V8 LS1/6 1997 Moregrun Metallic 318ti - Gone 1998 Schwartz II sport 318ti - M50TUB25/5 | | | 03-05-2010, 05:07 AM | #9 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 124 | Yea there is no replacement for displacement... its the old saying that can always hold true. I havent really looked down the swap path because it requires alot more than what i have in my garage. It doesnt take much to realize that the m50/m52 will give alot more in the end but at what cost? Loose the nice things i like about the m44, the milage, the cruise control, the ASC. So i am just thinking for ease of install and trouble, the DASC is a simple pick, but then as always you swap folks keep making me second guess. Ill go take a look at the kit and see what i can do on price and think about it some more. Thanks for the input! | | | 03-05-2010, 05:21 AM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: 43609 Posts: 3,425 | Trust me, you dont want my input on swapping. LOL. I can usually pull full drivetrains in about 3 hours without airtools. Everything is PnP, and cost, very low IMO, especially if youre doing it yourself. Even if you have a shop install an engine+costs of parts, youll still be cheaper and have a lot more room to work with if you want just a little more performance. Cruise control can be installed, ASC (meh, never liked it), mileage, i did a trip to New Hampshire to pick up a clubsport last spring. 500miles to the take with the m42 with 202k on it, no o2 sensor, one passenger, and 80mph with a 3.45lsd the whole way home. My 325ti had a 4.10lsd, 17x8.5 bbs rims, 2.5L non-vanos, chip, intake, exhaust, an extra pair of rims, two luggages for passengers, two passengers, and got 370miles to a tank at 80 mpg. Thats pretty damned good if you ask me. __________________ 1995 Hellrot Clubsport 318ti -Gone 1996 Schwartz II Sport 357ti - 5.7L V8 LS1/6 1997 Moregrun Metallic 318ti - Gone 1998 Schwartz II sport 318ti - M50TUB25/5 | | | 03-05-2010, 05:34 AM | #11 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 124 | I figured you would be the one to heave up the trophy and joy of swaps. I do look at it the possiblity of a swap, but i enjoy the mileage and fun of the m44, and like all the e36 engines they are bulletproof. If i didnt have the M Coupe to play with for real speed id be on the swap wagon last year, but that DASC just screams fun with keeping my daily driver just that, still very daily driveable. My level of knowledge still isnt where i want it to be so i think this will be a great project this early spring if things work out. | | | 03-05-2010, 05:44 AM | #12 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: 43609 Posts: 3,425 | Cool, well, good luck with the install. Either way, you will be happy with the increase of power. Get a good suspension setup, hell, just new dampers and springs would be great. __________________ 1995 Hellrot Clubsport 318ti -Gone 1996 Schwartz II Sport 357ti - 5.7L V8 LS1/6 1997 Moregrun Metallic 318ti - Gone 1998 Schwartz II sport 318ti - M50TUB25/5 | | | 03-21-2010, 02:15 AM | #13 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 179 | I just completed a DASC install a few weeks ago and am pleased with the result. I have the 1998 318ti w/DASC, a 1997 M3/4 and a 1988 M3. I don't know about others but IMHO the lighter 318ti w/DASC is pretty near as quick as my bone stock M3/4 and with the coilovers, adjustable caster/camber plates & Fox 2.5" exhaust the 318ti is a bit more fun to scoot around in. Maybe it is the boy racer or sleeper effect too. I'd rather have the M3/4 to drive to Vegas or Tahoe but around town it's a hoot. I also fitted it with the Schroth quick fit harnesses I originally bought for the M3/4 for use for autocrossing. The S14 in the 88 M3 is pitiful on torque. It is really not much fun to drive... except it's cool. If the weight is about the same, I'd even think that an M42/DASC setup with parts from a 1991 318is would make the 88 M3 more fun to drive than with the S14. With respect to $3K for the kit, DA has brand new kits for $3800 so if it were me, I'd offer $2500 and max at $2800 or the difference might be better spent on one from the factory. Jim Goodroe at Downing Atlanta was really helpful with getting my kit properly installed. He even Emailed me the 97+ manual after I had the fuel lines routed incorrectly because I used the 96 manual. I am going to research the weight difference between the M42/M44 & the M/S52 but if anybody knows the engine weights with accessories, please let me know. Even for the S14. | | | 03-21-2010, 03:18 AM | #14 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 179 | According to Bimmerforums, the weight numbers look like this: S14 = 234 lbs M42 = 220 M44 = 225 M50/S50 = 299 (US Spec) M52/S52 = 308 S50 = 333lbs (Euro spec) According to an internet search, saving 10 pounds is roughly equal to 1HP which would explain why the 2950lb/200HP 318ti feels very similar to the 3350lb/240HP M3/4. If this information is correct, it would also say that you would need an S50/S52 (or a 208HP+ modded M50/M52) to better the performance of the DASC/M44 considering the difference in weight (I have not accounted for differences in coolant capacity/weight and extra weight of the Eaton SC and other accessories either) It also makes the quirky idea of an M42/DASC powered E30/M3 sound a bit more plausible too. | | | 03-21-2010, 04:34 AM | #15 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,440 | Get a 3.4" pulley and water/meth injection! 10 PSI ftw! 200 RWHP! | | | | | Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |