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Old 09-19-2010, 12:06 PM   #1
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Default Throttle Body Help

Firstly my appologies for probably asking a question that has been asked a 1000 times before,but forgive the'Newbie'!
I have a 318ti compact that i am currently squeezing in a 328i motor from a car i bought cheap(£500!) i have read the great report on here with all the piccys....Great Job.
I just need to know what throttle body is best for the 328?
I am gonna get a 325 intake manifold as i know they are a larger bore for more power,but do i buy a 325 throttle body or use my 328 one?
Any part numbers or sizes would be a great help to me as i dont wanna buy stuff that i dont really need!
Thanks to you all in advance................

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Hey Mike, I'm currently dealing with this myself. I'm installing a US S52B32 out of a '98 M3 on my '97 318ti. I'm installing an M50 manifold on my S52 as well. The US S52 uses the same intake manifold as the 328i. The M50 manifold runners are 40% larger than the M52 and S52B32 manifold runners. You're going to run into four obsticles.

First, the throttle body seal is recessed in the throttle body on the M52 and on the M50 it's recessed in the manifold. The problem here is that you'll have gasket against gasket and it won't seal properly. The solution is to make a plate that "sandwiches" between the two gaskets. This plate may give you a slight increase in horsepower since it spaces out the throttle body a little bit.

S52B32 Throttle Body(note the seal is recessed in the throttle body):


M50 Manifold(note the seal is recessed in the manifold):


This is the throttle body spacer plate that I fabricated:
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The second problem you're going to run into is that the M52 manifold has the idle control valve, oil catch and intake air temperature sensor mounted to the bottom of the collector. The M50 manifold doesn't have the cutout to mount these components. Most people buy overpriced kits to resolve this problem, but the kits usually consist of a few hoses and cheap plastic elbows and t-fittings. While it works, it looks rather cheap in my opinion.

M52/S52B32 intake manifold:


M50 manifold(note there's no place to mount the ICV, IAT or oil catch canister):


I'm currently making a cap that fits over the ICV/IAT/oil-catch plenum. The cap will have a hose fitting drilled/tapped into the side of it and that will attach to the larger hose fitting on the M50 manifold. The benefit of doing it this way is that I'll only have one hose running from the plenum to the manifold collector vs. the rat nest of hoses supplied in the kits.

Not finished yet, but here's the part I'm currently fabricating:



The third issue you're going to encounter is the fuel rail. The M52/S52B32 fuel rail will bolt directly onto the M50 manifold. However, the fuel rail cover will either need to be modified to fit over the larger runners or you can purchase an M50 fuel rail cover. The cover is mostly cosmetic, however it does keep dirt/debris from accumulating around the fuel injectors. The problem here is that the M50 fuel rail cover will not line up with the mounting holes on the M52/S52B32 fuel rail. The kits often include cheap flimsy brackets that extend from the M52 fuel rail bolt holes to the holes on the M50 fuel rail cover. Again, in my opinion this is kinda ghetto.

My solution, I installed an M50/S50B30 fuel rail onto the M50 manifold. It fits perfectly because it was designed for this particular manifold in the first place. However, you'll need to find one from a late model 325 or a '95 US M3 because the early models have the fuel pressure regulator mounted on the fuel rail while the later model 325's and most mid-'96 and newer 318ti's have the fuel pressure regulators mounted under the car next to the fuel filter.

And finally, the last thing you'll encounter is the supporting brackets that attach to the engine block are different. The manifold needs to be securely held in place. The bolts that attach the manifold to the cylinder head are not enough to sufficiently hold the manifold in place. So BMW installed lower supports to hold the manifold in position. Again, the kits come with the same flimsy extensions that they use on the fuel rail cover, or you can do what I did and purchase support brackets for the M50. While my installation method may cost more and be more labor intensive, I feel it's a better design than the kits offer because it's how BMW would've designed it(actually it IS how BMW designed it because I'm using M50 parts).

Hope this helps, best of luck to ya. BTW, here's a peek of my M50 manifold which I painted to match my polished engine:


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Great explanation... and as always, it looks fantastic.
By the way, what color is that on the intake? Realistic looking aluminum colored paint is hard to find.
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Great explanation... and as always, it looks fantastic.
By the way, what color is that on the intake? Realistic looking aluminum colored paint is hard to find.
Thanks Dave, it's Duplicolor chrome. The reason it came out so nice was because of the prep. Problem with chrome/aluminum paint usually isn't because of the paint itself, but the surface it's going on. For instance, the intake manifold is textured plastic. So if I sprayed the paint directly over the texture, it would have a rough/dull appearance. Rather than spending weeks sanding the texture off of the plastic, I sprayed several coats of primer, sanding between each coat, until the texture was "filled" and smooth:



Then I read somewhere online that chrome/aluminum paint has a deep/richer look if sprayed over a gloss black base coat. I'm not sure how true this is since I sprayed so many coats of chrome I don't see how the black could possibly show through. But I did it anyway:
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Wow Fantastic,what a reply!
Thanks for all the info & i agree those kits look a little bit naff.
Better get myself into the workshop and do some serious fabrication!
Thanks again...............Mike.
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Wow Fantastic,what a reply!
Thanks for all the info & i agree those kits look a little bit naff.
Better get myself into the workshop and do some serious fabrication!
Thanks again...............Mike.
No worries Mike. I'm not going to lie to you, looking back, I wish I would've just bought the flippin kit. However, I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I like to take my time with things. I refuse to admit that I've bit off more than I can chew by fabricating this part. Prior to this project, I'd never touched a milling machine before in my life. It's been a learning experience to say the least
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