 » Site Navigation | | | | » Recent Threads | | | |  |  |  | |  10-17-2006, 04:25 PM | #1 | | Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ISRAEL Posts: 37 |  TI front & rear Sway bars
Got any recommendation for a proper setup?
trying to get a set from H&R and Eibach with no luck - it is out of stock.
out of desperation i'm Thinking of going with the Ti Mtech sway bars.
will z3 sway bars fit?
Thanks!
Ran |  |  | | 10-17-2006, 04:59 PM | #2 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 4,129 |
Swapping to M-tech sways is the cheapest way to go. That's what I did, got them used on Ebay. Quote: Originally Posted by ranster  Got any recommendation for a proper setup?
trying to get a set from H&R and Eibach with no luck - it is out of stock.
out of desperation i'm Thinking of going with the Ti Mtech sway bars.
will z3 sway bars fit?
Thanks!
Ran | __________________ 
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How stiff do you need them? Are you tracking the car? The m-tec (sport) sways are still REALLY soft for track use. I swapped them in and I need to get some stiffer ones now that I'm running r-compound tires. __________________ 
'99 Dinan M3 | | | | | 10-17-2006, 05:20 PM | #4 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 4,129 |
Do your M-tech sways have urethane bushings? Mine do, not sure if that was added by the previous owner or not. Quote: Originally Posted by DustenT How stiff do you need them? Are you tracking the car? The m-tec (sport) sways are still REALLY soft for track use. I swapped them in and I need to get some stiffer ones now that I'm running r-compound tires. | __________________
1998 (July) 318ti, 5-spd
OEM Armrest Blaupunkt Heidelberg CD50 CD Player/Compact Drive MP3 Player Diamond Audio 5.25" rear speakers Navman ICN 530 GPS BMWALARM.COM (with comfort settings) after market alarm system Magnecor 8.5mm wires M-Z3 Shifter/Momo Knob Burlwood Dashboard Stromung Exhaust X-brace Racing Dynamics Front Strut Bar Carbonio C.A.I. 17" Rial Rims Vader Seats/Heated/Lumbar Support M-tech Steering Wheel/Front Sway Bar/Front & Rear Bumper Depos/w 6500K Angel Eyes/6000K HIDs Clear Corners M3 Mirrors UUC Light Weight Flywheel/M5 Clutch/M3 Clutch Slave E28 3.46 LSD/Mcoupe Cover/E30 Flanges & Halfshafts UUC S.S. Brake/Clutch Lines Hartge Roof Spoiler BavAuto Springs Bilstein Sport Struts/Shocks E46 M3 Rear Shock Mounts SPC Front Camber Kit Reiger Hatch Spoiler BavAuto Rear Camber Kit Dinan Stage II Software Turner Rear Sway Bar Reinforcements BMW E46 Auto dimming mirror with Clown Nose alarm Engine Compartment Light Heated Wiper Fluid Retrofit OEM Fire Extinguisher Da'lan Trailer Hitch Rear Sun Shade OEM Fog Light Retrofit H & R MZ3 Rear Sway Bar/ UUC Adjustable End Links Cruise Control Retrofit On Board Computer Retrofit M3 twistie style side skirts Carbon Fiber Hood | | | | | 10-17-2006, 06:33 PM | #5 | | Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ISRAEL Posts: 37 |
Quote: Originally Posted by DustenT How stiff do you need them? Are you tracking the car? The m-tec (sport) sways are still REALLY soft for track use. I swapped them in and I need to get some stiffer ones now that I'm running r-compound tires. | as stiff as possible  i'm not racing the car, but handling is at 1st priority. my current setup: M43B16 Bilstein B8 with 30mm eibach lowering springs. 225/45R17 Falken Azenis sport RT-215 I'm thinking of going with the front M-tech sway (26mm) and rear MZ3 (19mm) - what do you think? anyone experienced this setup? till now, my search for an aftermarket sway bars kit ended without luck  All the best, Ran | | | | | 10-17-2006, 06:44 PM | #6 | | doesn't care about you. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,925 |
Quote: Originally Posted by ranster as stiff as possible i'm not racing the car, but handling is at 1st priority. my current setup: M43B18 engine with garrett GT25RS turbocharged@11psi Bilstein B8 with 30mm eibach lowering springs. 225/45R17 Falken Azenis sport RT-215 I'm thinking of going with the front M-tech sway (26mm) and rear MZ3 (19mm) - what do you think? anyone experienced this setup? till now, my search for an aftermarket sway bars kit ended without luck All the best, Ran | Check Turner Motorsports for HR sway bars. L8 - I don't have urethane bushings, I have stock rubber ones. Those urethane bushings on your bars are after market. __________________
'99 Dinan M3 | | | | | 10-17-2006, 06:59 PM | #7 | | Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ISRAEL Posts: 37 |
Quote: Originally Posted by DustenT Check Turner Motorsports for HR sway bars. | checked. they dont have them on stock. Does a front sway bar from a normal e36 fit a TI? i f so, i can buy a front E36 H&R sway (28mm) and put the MZ3 on the rear (19mm) sounds like a nice setup. | | | | | 03-16-2007, 01:56 PM | #8 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,625 |
but you DID notice an (large/moderate/somewhat?) actual improvment over stock bars, correct (when U switched to Club Sport bars)?? asking cause next stop for me is PROPER suspension set up, and I'm still not sure what I really need..  so far, got Bilsteins (I know they are Ok) with Bav Auto lowering springs, & 95 M3 wheels.. NOT very happy AT ALL with the springs (!) - they seem almost NON progressive.. its weird, but the car seems too soft some times, while extremely harsh some other times (is that even atributed to springs??).. its as if almost no consistency in spring behavior, if that makes sense at all.. anyway.. most likely will never 'track' the car, BUT would like a nice and solid feel on the back road 'twisties' (would most def. like to eliminate the current roll)! having said that - had Neuspeed bars on my 91 GTI & the car felt like it was 'plowing' into turns - eventually put back the stock front bar while keeping the larger Neuspeed rear and car's handling improved tenfold! So.. Club Sport or something like H&R bars (front & rear or just rear?)?? springs - anything out there better than Bav Auto springs? I understand these are subjective, but whatever... everyones opinions apreciated & welcome, of course.. Quote: Originally Posted by DustenT How stiff do you need them? Are you tracking the car? The m-tec (sport) sways are still REALLY soft for track use. I swapped them in and I need to get some stiffer ones now that I'm running r-compound tires. | | | | | | 03-16-2007, 02:32 PM | #9 | | doesn't care about you. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,925 |
Yes I noticed a difference, not a HUGE difference, but noticeable. HR sport springs are nice, and soft enough for daily driving. All sport springs are going to be harsh. I'd get the big HR sway bars if I were you. Or...I'll sell you my MTec bars so I can buy the HRs. __________________
'99 Dinan M3 | | | | | 03-16-2007, 02:55 PM | #10 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 |
I belive Bimmerbum has a few sets of matched Bilstein springs and struts FS that don't lower it much (1"/1.2"). Just slightly more than Mtech. __________________
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M43? Is that the european TI motor? I thought that was out around 1993 or something. | | | | | 10-18-2006, 08:26 AM | #13 | | Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ISRAEL Posts: 37 |
Quote: Originally Posted by pnosker M43? Is that the european TI motor? I thought that was out around 1993 or something. | It sure is the european TI motor - known as bmw "compact" introduced at 1991 in 2 variation. M43B16 - 1.6cc 102HP M43B18 - 1.8cc 115HP - was also used in the euro specs Z3 1.8 all of the M43 engines are 8 valves. they have lower compression ratio than the 1.8 16v engine - therefore they are much more suitable for a turbo project. there is another M43 engine known as M43B19 which was introduced in 1999 and was used in the E46/E46 compact. | | | | | 03-16-2007, 12:06 PM | #14 | | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lincoln Park Capitol Hill, Washington DC Posts: 741 |
Turner has an H&R rear sway bar that is 19mm and JC Whitney (yes) has one made by Addco, 18.5mm, for Z3 6 cylinders. There used to be a vendor on Ebay, called Neverenough, selling Addco rear sway bars for the MZ3 that measured 22.5mm. I think I will go with a larger rear sway bar to lessen the understeer. I will also replace my crappy rear KYB shocks to Bilstein sports....already have them.....  __________________
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Quote: Originally Posted by ranster Got any recommendation for a proper setup?
trying to get a set from H&R and Eibach with no luck - it is out of stock.
out of desperation i'm Thinking of going with the Ti Mtech sway bars.
will z3 sway bars fit?
Thanks!
Ran | Have you considered AC-Schnitzer? My 323ti was originally delivered with the M-tech setup. I found the M-Tech setup too soft, and swapped it with AC-Schnitzer adjustable sway bars togehtehr with H&R sport springs and Bilstein shocks. I am very pleased with this setup. | | | | | |
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