318ti.org forum

Go Back   318ti.org forum > Technical, Maintenance and Modifications > Suspension

Notices

Suspension Springs, sway bars, shocks.

.
» Recent Threads
1996 332ti supercharged...
06-08-2019 08:27 PM
Last post by slowoldpoop
Today 07:59 PM
6 Replies, 1,542 Views
Mostly new to cars and a...
07-11-2019 09:28 PM
Last post by paul somlo
Today 02:33 AM
4 Replies, 461 Views
318to supercharger kit
Yesterday 09:39 PM
Last post by jacksondnm02
Yesterday 09:39 PM
0 Replies, 171 Views
Seeking 318ti with...
06-30-2019 07:36 PM
Last post by Trusted-1
07-14-2019 07:26 PM
7 Replies, 1,332 Views
TWO! 1996 California Top...
07-14-2019 07:25 PM
Last post by Trusted-1
07-14-2019 07:25 PM
0 Replies, 232 Views
The 318ti OBD-II engine...
10-19-2006 06:48 PM
Last post by J!m
07-12-2019 10:03 PM
147 Replies, 90,566 Views
Rudolph the Red 318ti
05-06-2019 10:49 PM
Last post by MisterM52
07-12-2019 07:32 PM
27 Replies, 4,913 Views
Euro Headlights (New)
12-31-2018 05:06 PM
Last post by sprnova
07-12-2019 02:58 PM
7 Replies, 2,535 Views
M44 Supercharged Project...
04-07-2019 06:54 AM
Last post by joe1602
07-12-2019 01:33 PM
8 Replies, 1,581 Views
2000 z3 m52 into a 99 ti?
07-09-2019 03:04 AM
Last post by joe1602
07-12-2019 12:23 PM
12 Replies, 844 Views
Reply Share/Bookmark
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-03-2006, 12:55 AM   #16
cali-ti
aka Stabby
 
cali-ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Mead, CO
Posts: 5,360
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by assaf_shalvi
i was driving my car when all of a sudden i felt the left rear side acting wierd.
i looked at the shock observer and the bottom of it was off the bolt. the bolt is still there...
this a recently installed bilstien...
any one knows how this could have happen? any similar experience? any solution?
thanks
Assaf Shalvi
95' compact manual m43
what do you mean "off the bolt"? was the nut for the bolt for the bottom of the shock there? if not, then it sounds like the nut loosened over time and fell off, then the shock came off the bolt. any idea if it was torqued to the proper spec?
__________________
1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray

acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts




2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel
cali-ti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2006, 12:55 AM   #17
J!m
Moderator
 
J!m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bouncing off the rev limiter in CT!
Posts: 2,911
Vehicles
iTrader: (1)
Default

I have both; I'm not sure what happened first, but I did notice the elimination of that nasty windshield creak when the strut brace was installed.

The X-brace was developed for firewall shake in the convertables.
__________________
"Speed's just a question of money. How fast you 'wanna go?"

Order Swap Manuals Here => http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12912

WolferJ- gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
J!m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2006, 10:14 PM   #18
weezer
Senior Member
 
weezer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Lincoln Park Capitol Hill, Washington DC
Posts: 741
iTrader: (0)
Default

I'm seriously thinking of upgrading the rear shock mounts, since we all know what happens to the E36 rear floor when the shock mounts fail and start to tear.
This might be a stupid question, but our rear suspensions (318ti) are that of the E30 design and set-up. Does this change at all or is the 318ti the exception to the E36 infamous mallady?
If we still hav eto worry about this, has anyone here (God forbid) have had this problem?
How do we prevent this from happening? New OEM shock mounts or aftermarket mounts such as BMP's or Turner's?
__________________
It's always a great day to be underwater and play with the fish.....preserve our oceans and reefs"
Fariz

1997 318ti, Hellrot (Bright Red), Dinan Stage 2 Chip
16x7 OEM sport Wheels/X-Brace/Custom Strut Brace/Cold Air Intake/M-Tec Steering Wheel/Koni Adjustable FrontShocks/ Bilstein Sport Rear Shocks /H&R Sport Springs/Custom fabricated strut tower brace/Rear Strut brace, Stromung Exhaust
Future Mods: E46 17" wheels or Kosei K-1 17x8.5s
weezer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2006, 05:18 PM   #19
DustenT
doesn't care about you.
 
DustenT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 3,925
iTrader: (0)
Default

I've read through this thread and I'm still confused about what I should replace up front. I just want to "freshen up" the front end, not upgrade the hell out of it.

It going to keep the stock sway bars for now. I have HR sports and bilstein sports already. I'm using stock rubber ball joints, but there are crap.

Should I get the meryl control arms with ball joints installed, and the control arm bushing? Or just replace the ball joints with the metal ones? Do the control arms wear out? Or what is the reason for replacing?
__________________

'99 Dinan M3
DustenT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2006, 05:26 PM   #20
cali-ti
aka Stabby
 
cali-ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Mead, CO
Posts: 5,360
iTrader: (0)
Default

the steel control arms won't wear out. you'd only need to replace them if they got bent or something (or showed some signs of stress). the reason i'd go for the whole arm is that you're going to have to remove the old ones and press in the new ones. if you're paying a shop to do this, it'll end up costing about the same anyway ... ease of install

according to sheridan, the recommendation for replacing control arms every couple years was for the aluminum ones (which cost more too!). he's been tracking his car with the steel arms for a number of years with no issues (he even still has the stock ball joints).
__________________
1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray

acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts




2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel
cali-ti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2006, 05:43 PM   #21
DustenT
doesn't care about you.
 
DustenT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 3,925
iTrader: (0)
Default

Thanks cali-ti. Where is the best place to buy the control arm/ball joints? Bavauto has them, but they are usually more expensive than everyone else. I also need to replace my window regulators and some other parts, so I'm trying to find a place that sells it all.

Should I run the treehouse offset bushings too? Where can I buy those?
__________________

'99 Dinan M3
DustenT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2006, 05:50 PM   #22
cali-ti
aka Stabby
 
cali-ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Mead, CO
Posts: 5,360
iTrader: (0)
Default

i think they may have one of the best prices. you could check e-bay, but likely you won't be able to get all your stuff there in one place.

i believe you can get the treehouse racing arms directly from there or from bimmerworld.com (which may or may not have the other stuff you want too).

as to whether or not to get them, that's up to you. check your PMs as i responded to the one you sent me. other than what i had in there, i can't advise you any more since i haven't personally used them
__________________
1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray

acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts




2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel
cali-ti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 06:02 PM   #23
L84THSKY
Senior Member
 
L84THSKY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 4,129
iTrader: (0)
Default

I think my rear camber kit consists of new subframe bushings. Isn't that part of the what makes up the BavAuto rear camber kit?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cali-ti View Post
as maurolin mentioned, trailing arm bushings, possibly subframe bushings (don't know if there are drawbacks to using urethane for any of these). i haven't done any of these yet so i can't really comment. i AM planning on doing urethane trailing arm bushings (as part of a camber kit). i guess one may want/need a camber kit too (if drop is significant).

looks nice dave. btw, where was this list when i was starting my mods man?
__________________

1998 (July) 318ti, 5-spd
OEM Armrest • Blaupunkt Heidelberg CD50 CD Player/Compact Drive MP3 Player • Diamond Audio 5.25" rear speakers • Navman ICN 530 GPS • BMWALARM.COM (with comfort settings) after market alarm system • Magnecor 8.5mm wires • M-Z3 Shifter/Momo Knob • Burlwood Dashboard • Stromung Exhaust • X-brace • Racing Dynamics Front Strut Bar • Carbonio C.A.I. • 17" Rial Rims • Vader Seats/Heated/Lumbar Support • M-tech Steering Wheel/Front Sway Bar/Front & Rear Bumper • Depos/w 6500K Angel Eyes/6000K HIDs • Clear Corners • M3 Mirrors • UUC Light Weight Flywheel/M5 Clutch/M3 Clutch Slave • E28 3.46 LSD/Mcoupe Cover/E30 Flanges & Halfshafts • UUC S.S. Brake/Clutch Lines • Hartge Roof Spoiler • BavAuto Springs• Bilstein Sport Struts/Shocks • E46 M3 Rear Shock Mounts • SPC Front Camber Kit • Reiger Hatch Spoiler • BavAuto Rear Camber Kit • Dinan Stage II Software • Turner Rear Sway Bar Reinforcements • BMW E46 Auto dimming mirror with Clown Nose alarm • Engine Compartment Light • Heated Wiper Fluid Retrofit • OEM Fire Extinguisher • Da'lan Trailer Hitch • Rear Sun Shade • OEM Fog Light Retrofit • H & R MZ3 Rear Sway Bar/ UUC Adjustable End Links • Cruise Control Retrofit • On Board Computer Retrofit • M3 twistie style side skirts • Carbon Fiber Hood
L84THSKY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 06:33 PM   #24
cali-ti
aka Stabby
 
cali-ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Mead, CO
Posts: 5,360
iTrader: (0)
Default

bavauto (and other kits) are trailing arm bushings only. subframe bushings won't change your camber (at least they better not ).
__________________
1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray

acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts




2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel
cali-ti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 06:37 PM   #25
L84THSKY
Senior Member
 
L84THSKY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 4,129
iTrader: (0)
Default

My mistake. I meant trailing arm bushings.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cali-ti View Post
bavauto (and other kits) are trailing arm bushings only. subframe bushings won't change your camber (at least they better not ).
__________________

1998 (July) 318ti, 5-spd
OEM Armrest • Blaupunkt Heidelberg CD50 CD Player/Compact Drive MP3 Player • Diamond Audio 5.25" rear speakers • Navman ICN 530 GPS • BMWALARM.COM (with comfort settings) after market alarm system • Magnecor 8.5mm wires • M-Z3 Shifter/Momo Knob • Burlwood Dashboard • Stromung Exhaust • X-brace • Racing Dynamics Front Strut Bar • Carbonio C.A.I. • 17" Rial Rims • Vader Seats/Heated/Lumbar Support • M-tech Steering Wheel/Front Sway Bar/Front & Rear Bumper • Depos/w 6500K Angel Eyes/6000K HIDs • Clear Corners • M3 Mirrors • UUC Light Weight Flywheel/M5 Clutch/M3 Clutch Slave • E28 3.46 LSD/Mcoupe Cover/E30 Flanges & Halfshafts • UUC S.S. Brake/Clutch Lines • Hartge Roof Spoiler • BavAuto Springs• Bilstein Sport Struts/Shocks • E46 M3 Rear Shock Mounts • SPC Front Camber Kit • Reiger Hatch Spoiler • BavAuto Rear Camber Kit • Dinan Stage II Software • Turner Rear Sway Bar Reinforcements • BMW E46 Auto dimming mirror with Clown Nose alarm • Engine Compartment Light • Heated Wiper Fluid Retrofit • OEM Fire Extinguisher • Da'lan Trailer Hitch • Rear Sun Shade • OEM Fog Light Retrofit • H & R MZ3 Rear Sway Bar/ UUC Adjustable End Links • Cruise Control Retrofit • On Board Computer Retrofit • M3 twistie style side skirts • Carbon Fiber Hood
L84THSKY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2008, 07:36 AM   #26
RidingSimple
Senior Member
 
RidingSimple's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hawaii Kai
Posts: 232
iTrader: (2)
Default

Good thread.
In my opinion (from owning 5 E36's, I'd replace suspension items in this order).

1) Quality shocks (add lowering springs if lowering is your goal)
2) RSMs with Z3 reinforcement plates
3) Solid front control arm bushings (M3 stock, delrin, urethane, whatever)
4) Front/Rear Swaybar end links (these wear out and are super cheap to replace)
5) X-Brace
6) Front/Rear upgraded sway bars
7) Full rear bushing ovehaul, subframe, trailing arm, and differential (major $$$$ if you pay for someone else to do this though)
8) Finish up with new front ball joints (or M3 spec front control arms which have the upgraded ball joints already in them), inner/outer tie rods, front strut brace (rear does nothing)
RidingSimple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2008, 09:19 AM   #27
Mallard
Senior Member
 
Mallard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Land of the Vikings
Posts: 2,702
Vehicles
iTrader: (0)
Default

heres my cheap and nasty recipie

E46 M3 Frontstrut mounts , Rotated to give camber
Powerflex Wishbonebushes (can also get E36 M3 3.0 bshes with added camber if you dont rotate topmounts)
E30 Solid fixed balljoint wishbones (same as M3 but without the camber correction)
adjustable droplinks from FK / eibach / UUC..

Xbrace fixed at all points

Powerflex swingarm bushes
Powerflex rear beam bushes
E46 Cabrio RSMs (BMW orig only)
Z3 reinforcement plates
Powerflex Diff bush

Antiroll bars are a question of preferance to which make is used, but are recommended in any case

Its not a top notch mega bucks selection, but ive read about these many a time from other posters, and they were m ore than happy with the results
__________________


Vin Number decode and Retrofit Pdfs Available Free ! Just PM
Mallard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2010, 01:55 AM   #28
KSKarl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 111
iTrader: (0)
Default

On my car one of the bolts holding the front sway bar bushing broke out of the attachment on the subframe. That will be my first thing to reinforce...
KSKarl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2011, 05:36 AM   #29
zoner
Senior Member
 
zoner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,463
iTrader: (7)
Default

Can the M3 strut mounts be used on the ti? If so, what are the advantages to doing so? Better/different geometry? Beefier mounts? Both?
zoner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2011, 01:06 PM   #30
J!m
Moderator
 
J!m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bouncing off the rev limiter in CT!
Posts: 2,911
Vehicles
iTrader: (1)
Default

Yes.

They give additional caster for better high speed stability.

Beefy-er? Maybe. At least slightly I would guess but the bearing appears to be the same dimensions.

Use the strut top reinforcement plates regardless of what else you do.
__________________
"Speed's just a question of money. How fast you 'wanna go?"

Order Swap Manuals Here => http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12912

WolferJ- gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
J!m is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:51 PM.


.
Powered by site supporters
vBulletin Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, 318ti.org
© vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2
[page compression: 136.43 k/161.22 k (15.38%)]

318ti.org does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information or products discussed.