» Site Navigation | | » Recent Threads | looove 04-16-2024 01:18 PM 04-16-2024 01:18 PM 0 Replies, 321 Views | | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:45 PM 04-13-2024 11:45 PM 0 Replies, 207 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:43 PM 04-13-2024 11:44 PM 1 Replies, 133 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:40 PM 04-13-2024 11:41 PM 1 Replies, 130 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:38 PM 04-13-2024 11:39 PM 1 Replies, 133 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:36 PM 04-13-2024 11:37 PM 1 Replies, 129 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:35 PM 04-13-2024 11:35 PM 0 Replies, 114 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:34 PM 04-13-2024 11:34 PM 0 Replies, 119 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:33 PM 04-13-2024 11:33 PM 0 Replies, 114 Views | | | | | 12-30-2009, 05:35 PM | #1 | Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Beacon NY Posts: 36 | Saturn Astra XR-3 (or a Ti)? Would anyone consider buying a new/used (leftover/demo) Saturn Astra XR 3-door, as an alternative to a good clean Ti, if price weren't really too much of an issue? Aside from "wrong wheel drive", they seem pretty well matched against each other. One might be sporting the roundel, but both are German cars that are compact, efficient, well-made, and sporty...if somewhat underpowered. Has anyone, with an old worn, or dying Ti on their hands, considered one of these as a suitable replacement? | | | 12-30-2009, 07:26 PM | #2 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 265 | i just looked at an astra the other day. i'm a fairly new bmw owner and by no means a qualified person to answer this question. so why am i? eh, whatever. anyways...... i would go with the ti. new cars just have too much going on with them. the ti, well i love mine for the fact that i can work on it, and not have 1000 wires hanging everywhere to have to work around. plus you can always swap in a 6 cylinder for more power. for as much as the astra is $14,000-19,000, you could buy a ti and 'tune' it the way the want it for much less than the asta. just my 2 cents........ __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by bubela I’m happy in my blissful ignorant euphoria! Simple man, simple mind, bigger hammer! | 1996 318ti base 1996 Land Rover Range Rover- blew up 1996 Sabb 900 convertable - sold | | | 12-30-2009, 11:39 PM | #3 | Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Lunas, NM Posts: 52 | Quote: Originally Posted by ellcapitan Would anyone consider buying a new/used (leftover/demo) Saturn Astra XR 3-door, as an alternative to a good clean Ti, if price weren't really too much of an issue? Aside from "wrong wheel drive", they seem pretty well matched against each other. | 1) The front vs. rear wheel drive is a major issue for spirited driving / handling. 2) Now that Saturn is dead, dealer support / parts may be less than desired. 3) Unlike BMW, Saturn doesn't have a large network of independent mechanics. 4) And, most importantly, there is no xr3.org! Vic | | | 12-31-2009, 01:18 AM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: asdfasdf Posts: 10,002 | Quote: Originally Posted by vjmvjmvjm 2) Now that Saturn is dead, dealer support / parts may be less than desired. | it's a Vauxhall I'd really much rather have a ti instead of an Astra | | | 12-31-2009, 01:39 AM | #5 | Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Beacon NY Posts: 36 | Quote: Originally Posted by tiFreak it's a Vauxhall I'd really much rather have a ti instead of an Astra | Why, specifically? ...And, it's made by Opel. Vauxhall is the name it's sold under in Britain, just like Saturn is (was) it's name here. And while I generally agree that rwd is generally better, I would also argue that it won't make much difference which wheels are driven when you have a well sorted chassis and such low levels of power. I highly doubt that a Ti would have any clear handling advantage over an Astra XR (sport suspension), if any at all, that could be attributed to the driven wheels. | | | 12-31-2009, 02:00 AM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: asdfasdf Posts: 10,002 | Quote: Originally Posted by ellcapitan ...And, it's made by Opel. Vauxhall is the name it's sold under in Britain, just like Saturn is (was) it's name here. | well I was close I just think the ti is a cooler car if for nothing else but the brand, plus I'm not a fan of the Astra's styling | | | 01-03-2010, 11:59 AM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland Or Posts: 2,666 | Quote: Originally Posted by ellcapitan Why, specifically? ...And, it's made by Opel. Vauxhall is the name it's sold under in Britain, just like Saturn is (was) it's name here. And while I generally agree that rwd is generally better, I would also argue that it won't make much difference which wheels are driven when you have a well sorted chassis and such low levels of power. I highly doubt that a Ti would have any clear handling advantage over an Astra XR (sport suspension), if any at all, that could be attributed to the driven wheels. | In general, of the many track cars I work on each year, FWD costs significantly more to tune and maintain on track than RWD. BMW's are always a threat in the stock classes, because they handle with springs and shocks, FWD cars need welding, bars, all kind of mods that take them quickly out of the stock classes. Specifically I see way more bad CV joints and transmissions in FWD than RWD on track. They do have an edge in the rain! Just my nickles worth... Dave __________________ Dave - PDX 1995 318ti - Active Black and Tan. 2005 330xi - Mtech 1 - 6spd - Orient Blue/Black | | | 01-11-2010, 01:57 PM | #8 | Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Beacon NY Posts: 36 | Quote: Originally Posted by tiFreak [...]I just think the ti is a cooler car if for nothing else but the brand[...] | Case closed. (That's what I was afraid I'd hear. ) | | | | Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |