Found something we can relate to.

[Panzer_M]

This is a squardron marking for a WWII Messerschmitt 163 unit. The 163 was the world only rocket propelled aircraft to see combat and one of the smallest airframes also.




It's says. "like a Flea, but Oh-o"

[gooten1]

Haha, instead of badging a non M3 car with a M badge, how about a squadron badge?

[96cali]

Something not based on Nazi history preferably.... Hey how bout Stalin??

[L84THSKY]

I agree. I lived among them for 9 years, but that doesn't make me a fan of all Germans past and present.

Originally Posted by 96cali

Something not based on Nazi history preferably.... Hey how bout Stalin??

[gooten1]

So commies instead of socialists?

The Messerschmidt 109 used an oil cooled inverted V12 engine made by Rolls Royce. This was later changed to an engine made by Benz. So they're part of history too. BMW started off making aircraft engines (thus the roundel...blue is sky, black is the arc of the propeller...) for Germany. A Luftwaffe fighter (FW190) used a BMW radial engine as its powerplant. So as you may try to avoid Nazi history, you must accept that most old german companies were part of it in some way or another. I'm not saying they supported the ideals or practices, so don't get me wrong, but they were part of history nonetheless.

Besides, the Russian air force sucked. d=

(If I offended anyone, this was not my intention. Just trying to provide some facts. (= )

[L84THSKY]

They were part of a very unpleasant history, no need to glamourize it.

I went to the VW museum in Wolfburg many years ago. I was amazed how many car companies there once were in Germany. Many merged to become the remaining ones...I.E. BMW, Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche and Mercedes.

For those who have never been to Germany, there are also Opels & Fords which are not exported to the USA.

Actually, the Opel Manta was here many years ago, looks like a mini Corvette. The Ford Scorpio was originally a German model long before it came here too.

Originally Posted by gooten1

So commies instead of socialists?

The Messerschmidt 109 used an oil cooled inverted V12 engine made by Rolls Royce. This was later changed to an engine made by Benz. So they're part of history too. BMW started off making aircraft engines (thus the roundel...blue is sky, black is the arc of the propeller...) for Germany. A Luftwaffe fighter (FW190) used a BMW radial engine as its powerplant. So as you may try to avoid Nazi history, you must accept that most old german companies were part of it in some way or another. I'm not saying they supported the ideals or practices, so don't get me wrong, but they were part of history nonetheless.

Besides, the Russian air force sucked. d=

(If I offended anyone, this was not my intention. Just trying to provide some facts. (= )

[ultralinear]

Actually, it was the Opel GT that looked like a little corvette...the Manta was a nice, little coupe. The Kadet was their econo-box, and very few units were brought into the US. Opel was associated with GM in Europe and they were sold through US Buick dealers.

[Panzer_M]

Nazi Germany was 1936 to 1945.

There is still a luftwaffe now in 2005 germany. infact it retains the name. and it's history, records and feats start in the 30s. Actually the Luftwaffe under Hitler has several WORLD records still in the books. As does the Heer(Army)

people that can not seperate National Socialism and Germany make me sick.
Alot of Wartime Luftwaffe personal made the backbone of the Post-war luftwaffe when it was reformed in 1958. I grew up in it's shadow in Hamburg and when I moved here to the states I realized how little Americans can seperate fact/Fiction and past/Present. American understanding of anything outside of it's borders is Black/White, Good/Bad or "we just don't care".

There is nothing in that symbol to refer to Nazi Germany, and Some Infantrie Regiment that fought in World War II can trace their linage back to 1870 and prior. believe it or not, not every german was a hitlerite. Actually if you read history, Hitler and the NSAPD gained power by having the largest majority in the minority(33%). But from the begining there were resistance groups in the civilian sector as well as the officer corp.

Germany has a much larger history than 11 years.

and a Airframe, A MACHINE does not represent a REGIME or a belief, or Does it?


Americans also tend to link the Iron Cross to Nazism in a straight line, Again this is just complete ignorance, of German and Military History. The Cross was present in WWII as a decoration for bravey in combat. But it was in every war since 1813, and is the current national symbol for the German military, In WWII it was a balkan cross you saw on vehicles and aircraft.


If I offend anyone with this. Good maybe it will make you think more. I just hate this kind of crap. when I moved to the South, Dad worked for NASA and moved from a NATO project in Europe back to Florida, every wanker and redneck that found out I was german instantly with their 3rd grade mentally and the page of history they were forced to read figured that meant i was a Nazi. Someone on my first day at school, tried to show me to do the salute as a way of saying hello here in the states. I busted his nose for it and got 3 days suspension. I just don't tolerate fools gladdly.

[bmw///m3///]

reguardless of the troubled past of germany......you must admire thier mechanical/enginnering expertise* the whole world copies them??

I would love to rock a fighter squadron badge like that since Im going to school to be a pilot too. The badge psoted kinda looked like a water propelled dildo though?

[Panzer_M]

and so you know, I find the old bomber jackets with "Murder Inc" from a squadron of the 9th United States Army Airforces distasteful for a military of a democracy, but Dresden and Hamburg let them live up to the name.

[bluebastion]

Originally Posted by bmw///m3///

I would love to rock a fighter squadron badge like that since Im going to school to be a pilot too. The badge psoted kinda looked like a water propelled dildo though?

Wouldn't know.

[bmw///m3///]

Originally Posted by bluebastion

Wouldn't know.

hehehe your into the butt plugs huh? sorry I had to....

[Boxbrownie]

Originally Posted by L84THSKY

For those who have never been to Germany, there are also Opels & Fords which are not exported to the USA.

The Ford Scorpio was originally a German model long before it came here too.

Please.....the Granada/Scorpio (DE91) was not only German, an awful lot of the development work went on here in England, mostly the handling and trim, thats why the thing handle so well (especially the cosworth versions), the powertrain was developed mostly in Germany, hence the "cologne" engine. And the the first 2.8Efi V6 engine actually had an inlet manifold developed by Porsche!

And was the first main stream car line to have ABS fitted as standard....

[L84THSKY]

Here are some pictures of me with some foreign soldiers. I was part of a NATO exercise involving integrating Ex-Warsaw Pact countries into NATO. We were testing our respective communications gear for interoperability. Almost every ex east block country was there, minus Russia of course. Germany and Austria attended as well.

German Army
http://iris.nyit.edu/~egrodsky/military/nato1.jpg

Polish Army
http://iris.nyit.edu/~egrodsky/milit...shsoldiers.jpg

Romanian Army
http://iris.nyit.edu/~egrodsky/military/Romania.jpg

It was pretty cool to sit down at a table and drink together, knowing that most of these soldiers were our enemies only 10 years earlier.

Originally Posted by Panzer_M

and so you know, I find the old bomber jackets with "Murder Inc" from a squadron of the 9th United States Army Airforces distasteful for a military of a democracy, but Dresden and Hamburg let them live up to the name.

[96cali]

Funny this keeps coming up with German cars. This happened to me a year ago or so:http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=220956

That squadron patch is very cool stylistically. There's humor in the flea unlike the US Airborne "Death From Above" skulls, etc. I may like it, but cannot seperate it's origins from it's meaning today. And the ME163 WAS developed under Nazi Germany. It was an incredilble piece of technology for it's day (History Channel addict) but still a killing machine for Hitler. SImilar to the films of Leini Reifenstahl (sp?) depicting the 1938 Berlin Olympics and the idealized perfect Arian athletes. Incredible imagery that moves you, but toward what purpose? Same for Nazi uniforms- they had the fashion of power down cold.

The Stalin comment was just to say they were both ideals and times I, for one, would rather not associate with. BTW I CAN seperate people from circumstances- my best friend growing up had a father who was an AA gunner in WWII- for Germany. Great man, did what he had to.

No disregard to any one, especially Panzer. Two different upbringings.

Originally Posted by gooten1

So commies instead of socialists?

The Messerschmidt 109 used an oil cooled inverted V12 engine made by Rolls Royce. This was later changed to an engine made by Benz. So they're part of history too. BMW started off making aircraft engines (thus the roundel...blue is sky, black is the arc of the propeller...) for Germany. A Luftwaffe fighter (FW190) used a BMW radial engine as its powerplant. So as you may try to avoid Nazi history, you must accept that most old german companies were part of it in some way or another. I'm not saying they supported the ideals or practices, so don't get me wrong, but they were part of history nonetheless.

Besides, the Russian air force sucked. d=

(If I offended anyone, this was not my intention. Just trying to provide some facts. (= )