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Old 12-06-2007, 02:36 PM   #1
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Check out this BMW Z1. Only made in Europe for a while and was the result of a contest between GmbH and M divisions. While I'm not a big fan of the style (similar to the 850), the doors retract into the body and if you owned this in Europe you could legally drive it with the doors fully retracted! That raises the cool factor up a few notches... Add to this the fact that they also made the body panels removable which would allow the owner to purchase additional panels of a different color and simply change the color of the car with relative ease from the comfort of their own garage.

And this is "not my auction"... If I owned this car it would not be up for auction, let alone on eBAY. I didn't even know BMW had made these for European drivers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...178569751&rd=1

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The BMW Z1 is a two-seat roadster developed by BMW Technik GmbH and produced from July 1988 to June 1991. The Z1 featured unusual doors which, instead of opening outward or upward, dropped down into the door sills. Only 8,000 copies of the Z1 were produced.

The first example of a Z1 was released by BMW to the press in 1986 and later officially presented at the 1987 Frankfurt Motor Show. Initial demand was so fierce that BMW had 5,000 orders before production began. Unfortunately, demand dropped significantly around 1988 and BMW ended production in 1991. There is speculation that this drop in demand was due to the introduction of the Mercedes-Benz SL (Brossaud, 1) and the early inflated demand from speculative investors [1]. In 1988, however, BMW was quoted as saying that they had 35,000 orders for Z1s.

The BMW Z1 was designed over a three-year period by an in-house division of BMW Technik GmbH. The development of the Z1 is attributed to Dr. Ulrich Bez, not to forget the core of his team at BMW Technik GmbH (Alexander Pregl, Rudolf Müller, Lutz Janssen, Wolf-Henryk Menke, Dieter Schaffner, Klaus Faust, Sabine Zemelka and Stephan Stark). Control of the project was turned over to Dr. Klaus Faust when Bez left for Porsche in October, 1988.

BMW considered building an all-wheel drive model but this was later scrapped. (Brossaud, 1).

The BMW Z1 was used to develop and debut several technologies. Z1 designer Harm Lagaay mentioned that Z1 production helped generate patents for BMW's high-intensity discharge lamp, integrated roll-bar, door mechanism, and underbody tray.


[edit] Z line
The Z in Z1 originally stood for Zukunft (German for future) and would later be used on other cars in the line: the Z3, Z4, and Z8). All of these vehicles (including the Z1) are sporty, two-door roadsters.


[edit] Construction

[edit] Chassis

BMW Z1The chassis was specially designed for the Z1 and features a number of innovative features: removable body panels, continuously zinc welded seams, a composite undertray, and the unusual dropped doors. Parts of the car (including the engine, gearbox, and front suspension) were borrowed from the BMW E30 325i, but the Z1 remains largely original.

The body was reportedly made from three (or five, depending on the source) different types of plastic and could be removed completely from the chassis. The side panels and doors are made of General Electric's XENOY thermoplastic. The hood, trunk, and roof cover are GRP components made by Seger + Hoffman AG. The car is painted in a special flexible lacquer finish developed jointly by AKZO Coatings and BMW Technik GmbH.

During the Z1s launch, BMW suggested that owners purchase an additional set of body panels and change the color of the car from time to time. The car could actually be driven with all of the panels completely removed, similar to the Pontiac Fiero. BMW noted that the body could be completely replaced in 40 minutes, although Z1 owners have reported that this may be optimistic. [2]

The entire vehicle was designed with aerodynamics in mind. In specific, the entire undertray is completely flat and the muffler and rear valance were designed as integral aerodynamic components to decrease turbulence and rear lift. The front end reportedly induces a high-pressure zone just forward of the front wheels to increase front-wheel traction. [3] The Z1 has a drag coefficient of 0.36 Cd with the top up or 0.43 Cd with it down.


[edit] Doors
One of the most interesting features of the Z1 is its unusual doors. These doors retract vertically down into the car's body instead of swinging outward or upward. The inspiration for these doors came from more traditional roadsters which often feature removable metal or cloth doors. Because removable doors did not fit within BMW's design goals, the retractable doors were installed instead.

Because the body, with its high sills offers crash protection independent of the doors, the vehicle may be legally and safely driven with the doors up or down, although they are not legal in the U.S.

The windows may be operated independently of the doors, although they do retract automatically if the door is lowered. Both the window and door are driven by electric motors through toothed rubber belts and may be moved manually in an emergency. [4]


[edit] Driveline
As mentioned above, both the engine (the BMW M20B25) and the five-speed manual gearbox (the Getrag 260/5) were sourced from the E30 325i. The 2.5 L (2494 cc) 12-valve SOHC engine sits tilted 20 degrees to the right to accommodate the low hoodline. [5] The engine produces 170 hp (127 kW) at 5800 rpm and 222 N·m (164 ft·lbf) of torque in its original form, although several tuners have programs for increasing the performance of the Z1 by either upgrading or replacing the engine (see modification, below). A common complaint is that the gearbox isn't well-matched to the engine or the car's sportiness (Brossaud, 10).


[edit] Suspension
The rear suspension, called the Z Axle, was specially designed for the Z1. [6] It was one of the first BMWs to feature a multi-link design. [7]

The Z1 was outfitted with 15 in (381 mm) diameter by 7 in (178 mm) wide wheels on both the front and rear, shod with 205/55VR-15 tires. [8]


[edit] Interior
Although the unique doors are innovative, larger customers have commented that the high door sills make exits and entries difficult. Additionally, the interior is hand-assembled and may suffer rips and tears after years of use. (Brossaud, 16).

The instruments on the Z1 are styled like motorcycle gauges, and the tachometer on the Z1 has a red needle, whereas all other gauges have a white needle.


[edit] Production
As mentioned above, BMW only produced 8,000 Z1s. The vast majority of these (6,443) were sold in BMW's native German market. [9] The country to receive the second-greatest number of Z1s, Italy, received less than 7% of the total sold domestically. BMW was reportedly unable to build more than 10–20 Z1s each day. [10] None were initially sold in North America, although it is uncertain whether examples have been independently imported since the car's launch. There is at least one in Sarasota, FL, and one in Boulder County Colorado as well as two in Ontario Canada.

There are reports that BMW built 12 Z1s during 1986 and 1987, bringing the total to 8,012 vehicles (Brossaud, 7). [11] However, most sources report the 8,000 figure.

More than half of all Z1s (specifically, 4,091) were produced for the 1990 model year. 78 Z1s were reportedly used as test mules, although most were later sold without a warranty and, presumably, at a lower price.

The Z1 was available in six exterior colors and four interior colors, although the vast majority (6,177) were red, black, or green with a dark-grey interior. [12] Light yellow exterior (fun-gelb in German or fun yellow in English; 133 examples made) or red interior (38 examples made) are the rarest Z1 colors. The colors swimming pool blue and oh-so-orange were reserved for the car's designers, Bez and Lagaay.

Reportedly, some 1,101 Z1s were delivered without a factory radio installed. In these vehicles, BMWS AG installed an aftermarket radio in its place.

BMW Z1s officially imported to France for sale there have yellow headlights instead of the clear ones found elsewhere (Brossaud, 8).


[edit] Price
New Z1s reportedly sold new for 83,000–89,000 DM [13] [14] or between €42,000 and €45,500. As of 2001, used BMW Z1s were selling for between FF125,000 and 250,000 (between €19,000 and €38,000) in France including a 19.6% VAT (Brossaud, 18). One example fetched just over £20,000 at Bonham's 2004 Olympia auction. [15]. In 2006, cars could be bought in France for a price between €25,000 and €30,000 the upper being reach for cars in perfect condition with low mileage.


[edit] Modification
German motor tuners Alpina, Hamann-Motorsport, Schnitzer and Kelleners reportedly had programs for the enhancement of the Z1. [16] The Hamann program included a 220 hp 2.7 L or a turbocharged 245 hp 2.5 L engine. Schnitzer did the 2.7 conversion with 200 bhp, delivered a 5 stud conversion with bigger brakes and lower suspension in combination with their rennsport wheels. Kelleners' included a 286–330 hp 3.0 L engine.

Alpina had a special arrangement with BMWS AG to modify BMW Z1s into RLEs, or Roadster Limited Edition. Alpina reports having built 66 of these, although BMW notes that 82 can be tracked through Alpina. The RLE featured an upgraded 200 hp 2.7 L engine, sport muffler, tires, and assorted plaques and stripes. The 0–100 km/h time dropped from 8.4 s to 7.1 s, top speed increased from 219 km/h to 228 km/h, and price increased to 116,000 DM. [17]

At least one Z1 has been modified with a 330ps E34 M5 engine. [18]
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Old 12-06-2007, 02:40 PM   #2
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Adding more pics to post... since these are relatively rare, thought it would be nice to save these to the forum.
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Again, saving to post since the pics will be lost shortly after the auction ends... nice piece of BMW history.
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Old 12-06-2007, 02:48 PM   #4
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cool car. not my favorite look but still a neat piece of history!
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nice find! i first saw the car in jackie chan's "operation condor" and wanted one. there are some companies that make some nice body kits and upgrades for them too.
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my friend in germany had a nice red one. He dates a girl who had connections in the management of the company and had first dibs on interesting models. If I remeber correctly it was pretty fast. we hit about 230k to stuggart and he had room.
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no bids yet... i wonder if it will sell.
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This car has been for sale for a really long time... He posted it on the PBOC Florida, local race group, website earlier this year.
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Nice find I didnt know someone brought it to the States!
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its got the original compact dash and mid consol

I never liked the Z1 that much, and only ever seen 1 in "real life" every day usage.

but they are collectors items really
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wow is that an alcantara shift boot
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