» Site Navigation | | » Recent Threads | | 1999 M3 Swap 09-07-2023 10:10 PM 05-02-2024 08:18 PM 6 Replies, 405,266 Views | | | | | | 12-12-2006, 05:33 AM | #1 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 | No Traction Control on a s52 swap? I am looking at aquiring a '97 Ti with S52 swap. The current owner says that traction control is not possible to keep when you do a swap. Is this true to anyone's knowledge? Can you elaborate why? Maybe the donor M3 did not have it? The swap was done by a very reputable shop in Boston. No ASC scares me a little because even in Cincinnati we get some snow and icy conditions. Is this insane for winter driving even with Blizzaks? Thanks for your help! __________________ My Former Rides 1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies 1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition | | | 12-12-2006, 07:09 AM | #2 | Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Port St. Johns, Florida Posts: 2,242 | Bah, I got no TC now in the Club Sport and it scares me sometimes. but other times it's better than sex with a supermodel. | | | 12-12-2006, 01:08 PM | #3 | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: lancashire, england Posts: 300 | i plan to do a swap in april next year, with no t/c in the plans. i think it would be impossible also, or very very expensive. | | | 12-12-2006, 01:42 PM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 197 | The swap I am doing at the moment does not include ASC. It would require a new ABS unit, extra brake line to the back and probably a fair bit of wiring. I'm plan on getting my hands on an LSD. At the moment I am thinking of a 3.15 ratio. | | | 12-12-2006, 01:58 PM | #5 | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: lancashire, england Posts: 300 | rich, you'll defo need an lsd for your 2.8, how much you wanna spend? i'm also looking. the kaaz 1.5 way replacement sounds good, but what about that 750 quid price tag!!!! splumph | | | 12-12-2006, 02:22 PM | #6 | Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bouncing off the rev limiter in CT! Posts: 3,156 | ASC is posible, but not cheaply done. The entire wiring harness must be removed from the donor car, and installed into the ti. The aforementioned brake line must be added, ABS pump/manifold changed and the brakes up-graded to the m3 parts front and rear to keep bias correct. Possible, but expensive and not worhth the effort in my opinion, as the system is not the best to begin with. Best thing to do is park the swapped car when it snows. This is what I do... Get a winter-beater! | | | 12-12-2006, 04:06 PM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 890 | Quote: Originally Posted by J!m Best thing to do is park the swapped car when it snows. This is what I do... Get a winter-beater! | Bah, I drove mine in the snow last week, no winter tires, no ASC. It was fine. __________________ SOLD!!! 1999 332ti //M Sport Titanium Silver M3 S52 3.2 I-6 Engine, M3 Clutch w/ ti Getrag Trans, Z3 3.15 LSD medium case diff and half shafts, OEM Hatch Spoiler, Eurosport HP Underdrive Pulleys, FDM, 17" DS1 rims, M3 Front Struts & Springs, M3 Instrument Cluster, 3-spoke //M steering wheel with tri-color stitching, SSK, CCFL Angels in Depo projectors with 5k HIDs | | | 12-12-2006, 04:23 PM | #8 | TRETEN IRGENDEINES ESELS Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 3,687 | Quote: Originally Posted by campaiar Bah, I drove mine in the snow last week, no winter tires, no ASC. It was fine. | Not to bust your balls or anything But... That .01 inches of snow you got in Cincinnati last week is not going to affect your driving ability and if it does you do not belong on the road.. __________________ 98 Avus Blue 318 ti Active clear outs all around,stealth turning signals,blue led interior lights, 35% tinted windows,K&N air filter, 12" Kenwood Sub, MTX Thunder Amp,Alpine cd changer, Leatherz Armrest,ACS Pedals/Handbrake/FloorMats & Vitesse Tuning Carbon Fiber B-Pillars/CF Spark Plug Cover, New 16" MSW Typer 14 Rims on Goodyear Triple Treds www.myspace.com/avusblueti | | | 12-12-2006, 05:24 PM | #9 | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 890 | Quote: Originally Posted by Tyler Not to bust your balls or anything But... That .01 inches of snow you got in Cincinnati last week is not going to affect your driving ability and if it does you do not belong on the road.. | ...and that is precisely the amount of snow Cali will need to worry about in Cincinnati. __________________ SOLD!!! 1999 332ti //M Sport Titanium Silver M3 S52 3.2 I-6 Engine, M3 Clutch w/ ti Getrag Trans, Z3 3.15 LSD medium case diff and half shafts, OEM Hatch Spoiler, Eurosport HP Underdrive Pulleys, FDM, 17" DS1 rims, M3 Front Struts & Springs, M3 Instrument Cluster, 3-spoke //M steering wheel with tri-color stitching, SSK, CCFL Angels in Depo projectors with 5k HIDs | | | 12-12-2006, 09:49 PM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 | Actually that .1 inches of snow turned into .1 inches of sheet ice for much of the morning commute last Thursday. Took me 2 hours to drive the 16 miles to my daughters school (normally 22 minutes on a good day). I saw 2 uphill freeway exits blocked by semis and SUVs that could not get up a shallow grade. I saw a lady almost plow into a semi that was creeping down an on ramp because she was going 20mph. From what I can tell Cincinnati drivers suck in the winter- they were all over the place like winter just caught them off guard. That is more of what I'm concerned with to tell you the truth. FWIW I grew up in Wisconsin, college in Cincinnati, moved to Minneapolis, then Cleveland, then Cincinnati again 3mos ago. I got my winter driving merit badge long ago but I also have a 3 yo child to safeguard too. Just have never driven an S52 and the pressure is on from the wife to "love it if you buy it". The good news is that 2 hour commute made me find a fast 2 lane road with lots of twisties that is only 1 mile longer than the highway route. Almost makes me want to take her to school now. Funny ending to that morning: we're finally in normal traffic at a stoplight when a gray Toyota Yaris pulls up next to me and I think to myself "heh, that's a funny looking car, heh". Not 5 seconds later my 3 y.o. daughter busts out laughing and "What dat cawr?!? Dat funny daddy!!" I told her it was a Yaris. Then she wanted to know the names of all the other cars around us. I'm so proud. __________________ My Former Rides 1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies 1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition | | | 12-13-2006, 03:44 AM | #11 | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 885 | Mine is supercharger and i delete de t/c for install my custom intake, but in Puerto Rico we not have snow __________________ BMW...MY NEW TOY Mods: Some plastic parts, ///M Wheels and me | | | 12-13-2006, 10:54 AM | #12 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 197 | Quote: Originally Posted by cosmos schwarz rich, you'll defo need an lsd for your 2.8, how much you wanna spend? i'm also looking. the kaaz 1.5 way replacement sounds good, but what about that 750 quid price tag!!!! splumph | Yeah, thats a bit much! I think i'll keep my eyes open for a second hand LSD. should be a bit cheaper. Snow isn't really an issue in the south of the UK, although if it does snow once every 7 years; even the smallest amount it causes absolute chaos as loads of people have no clue how to drive in the snow. | | | 12-13-2006, 06:10 PM | #13 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 258 | Plan on becoming very intimate with the limits of your car if you're used to having traction control. Being poorly prepared will lead you to a bad place. __________________ | | | 12-13-2006, 10:34 PM | #14 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 197 | I think traction control is good as a drivers aid, if you get caught is a hairy situation it can help you out. However as the bmw manual says "Ye cannae change the laws of physics.'" (well thats near enough what it says) | | | 12-13-2006, 11:35 PM | #15 | That's not Millpoint Blue Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: BNA Posts: 3,161 | Quote: Originally Posted by Rich (well thats near enough what it says) | Actually... it says.... __________________ Real men know how to SEARCH! THIS IS A MILLPOINT BLUE INTERIOR Mods 'n' stuff: Star Spoke 43 wheels - X-Brace - Mason Engineering front strut brace - CF gauge overlay - ZHP shifter knob - Racing Dynamics cat-back - Doubled brake lights - M-tech rear spoiler From Page 68 of the 1997 Owners Manual: "Vehicles equipped with ASC+T remain subject to the laws of physics." | | | | | Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |