 » Site Navigation | | | | » Recent Threads | | | |  |  |  |  02-06-2010, 04:20 PM | #1 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nj Posts: 1,099 |  3rd gear problem again..
this is the second trans this happens ..the first wen i had the m44 3rd gear syncro went bad...now yesterday i raced and is300 and new audi a4 and beat both even thou i missed 3d gear both times we raced.. i have to double shift for it to go in.. wont go in from 2nd to 3rd..i have to clutch and try to put it in and go to neutral and then it goes in rough..idk if i bent the shift carrier/lever wen i missed but this is now good..i have the other trans w the bad syncro is there anyway to fix this problem...or will i have to replace the trans??/  if so how much would a zf tranny go for?  chris |  |  | | 02-06-2010, 04:45 PM | #2 | | Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 69 |
You can rebuild transmissions. It is sometimes cheaper to buy another one as some of the few specialists that do have the knowledge charge a hefty labor rate. | | | | | 02-06-2010, 04:48 PM | #3 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nj Posts: 1,099 |
yea..i have 3 getrag trans..one w bad syncro ..this one now w this..and another ! w like 200k... | | | | | 02-07-2010, 03:22 PM | #4 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Merritt Island, FL Posts: 351 |
Quote: Originally Posted by 318_mzk2  this is the second trans this happens ..the first wen i had the m44 3rd gear syncro went bad...now yesterday i raced and is300 and new audi a4 and beat both even thou i missed 3d gear both times we raced.. i have to double shift for it to go in.. wont go in from 2nd to 3rd..i have to clutch and try to put it in and go to neutral and then it goes in rough..idk if i bent the shift carrier/lever wen i missed but this is now good..i have the other trans w the bad syncro is there anyway to fix this problem...or will i have to replace the trans??/ if so how much would a zf tranny go for? chris | Wow, sounds like you are a Getrag's worst nightmare  . Maybe it's time to put a ZF transmission in place of that Getrag. I would suspect that your problem isn't the linkage\shifter since only 3rd gear is being effected. There is a pretty good article on Pelican on how to upgrade the bushings for the shifter if you are having doubt about the condition of your shifter. Doing that work is easier and cheaper than replacing a transmission... __________________ Alpine Weiß 1995 318ti
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chris, did ya try royal purple yet? it may be a shot in the dark - but that stuff stopped my tranny from popping out of first, permanetly... probably wont work if your synchros are completelly shot to ****, but it is worth a shot... Quote: Originally Posted by 318_mzk2 this is the second trans this happens ..the first wen i had the m44 3rd gear syncro went bad...now yesterday i raced and is300 and new audi a4 and beat both even thou i missed 3d gear both times we raced.. i have to double shift for it to go in.. wont go in from 2nd to 3rd..i have to clutch and try to put it in and go to neutral and then it goes in rough..idk if i bent the shift carrier/lever wen i missed but this is now good..i have the other trans w the bad syncro is there anyway to fix this problem...or will i have to replace the trans??/ if so how much would a zf tranny go for? chris | __________________ 
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Jajaja.. Idk y but it have a feeling it might be a feeling it might be a shifter issue because I gota shift harder into 2nd gear for it to go in...idk but like you said it might be the trans...any clues on how much a zf trans goes for... Quote: Originally Posted by chrisbec Wow, sounds like you are a Getrag's worst nightmare . Maybe it's time to put a ZF transmission in place of that Getrag. I would suspect that your problem isn't the linkage\shifter since only 3rd gear is being effected. There is a pretty good article on Pelican on how to upgrade the bushings for the shifter if you are having doubt about the condition of your shifter. Doing that work is easier and cheaper than replacing a transmission... | | | | | | 02-07-2010, 05:18 PM | #7 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nj Posts: 1,099 |
With the snow I haven tried anything since friday that I drained and added lucas. As Sson as the snow melts out ill definatly do it to see what's wrong... Quote: Originally Posted by marko chris, did ya try royal purple yet?
it may be a shot in the dark - but that stuff stopped my tranny from popping out of first, permanetly...
probably wont work if your synchros are completelly shot to ****, but it is worth a shot... | | | | | | 02-07-2010, 07:34 PM | #8 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland Or Posts: 2,666 |
Getrags don't like to be drag raced. Ford used them in their trucks, same issues, if you shift them and don't try and bang gears they are fine, but the synchros won't take ANY abuse.
Porsche used some Getrag internals years ago and stopped for the same reason...
Although I think they did contract some transmitions along the way...
If drag is your thing I'd look into transplaniting a Jerico in. It will take the pounding and only cost teh cars value LOL
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2005 330xi - Mtech 1 - 6spd - Orient Blue/Black | | | | | 02-07-2010, 08:44 PM | #9 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nj Posts: 1,099 |
not actualy drag racing. but yea a couple of street races here n there..and the usual messing aroung w some 1 pulling up next you reving their car...the car jjust wants to brake loose and one of the isues i have already is the shifter... how bout the zf trans is it any better?? Quote: Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead Getrags don't like to be drag raced. Ford used them in their trucks, same issues, if you shift them and don't try and bang gears they are fine, but the synchros won't take ANY abuse.
Porsche used some Getrag internals years ago and stopped for the same reason...
Although I think they did contract some transmitions along the way...
If drag is your thing I'd look into transplaniting a Jerico in. It will take the pounding and only cost teh cars value LOL
Dave | | | | | | 02-08-2010, 03:32 AM | #10 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Merritt Island, FL Posts: 351 |
Quote: Originally Posted by 318_mzk2 J...any clues on how much a zf trans goes for... | You should be able to get a used ZF 5 speed in good shape for around $400. ZF is what comes stock in M3's but they are not indestructible either, but they are used with higher output engines. __________________ Alpine Weiß 1995 318ti
M50tu mostly stock, chip'd 413, AFE Intake. e36 M3 front brakes, e30 M3 rear calipers. e28 3.25 LSD + e30 axles. Custom stainless Magnaflow 2 in 1 out muffler.
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Really most Euro boxes are designed for clean precise shifts.
They use lightweight synchros to make them low drag, and so they don't heat up.
Most modern 5 speeds/6speeds have narrow gears engineered to barely take the torque of the application. Unlike the old toploaders, muncies etc of the 60's 70's and 80's.
The ZF boxes are generally tougher, but none of them like crashing the synchros.
Come to think of it, a Muncie would likely not be hard to adapt to the Bell-housing of the BMW. And its way cheaper to replace the synchro in or rebuild in general.
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2005 330xi - Mtech 1 - 6spd - Orient Blue/Black | | | | | 03-18-2010, 04:29 PM | #12 | | Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Atl Posts: 57 |
Just got my TI born on 11/97 (yay!). My second gear doesnt like to go in when its cold, after a few miles its "fine". This is my synchro?
If it is: I should try royal purple? I also found a e36 m3 tranny for 300 bux but ill need the top half of the drive shaft? Buy the tranny either way? haha
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