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Old 01-03-2007, 12:37 PM   #1
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Default REAR SUBFRAME BUSHING UPGRADE

Does anybody have these installed on your car? Can you feel a difference?


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I installed them in the Fall. Can't find the thread where I showed pics of how I did it. They feel fine to me, worth the few bucks, not hard to put in. You can't always put your "feel" on whether a product is making a difference. I looked at the problem with the stock design, and concluded the inserts made sense.

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You have no clue who makes them.
I doubt all urethane bushings are the same.

I have Ireland Engineering urethane bushings.
Some people feel the car is more planted.
I think it's more twitchy when I go over a bump.
Maybe it's the urethane rear trailing arm bushings I also have.
A local, highly regarded, performance shop told me to stick with rubber.
I should have listened to them. YMMV.

Are your subframe bushings shot?
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That is exactly why I liked the idea of the inserts. This false belief that going to urethane bushings is the magic pill confuses people.

Look at the design of the stock bushing. As I stated in another thread, the gaps are one issue and the compound of the bushing is the other. Going urethane may or may not be the best idea. If experts are saying stick with rubber, then the inserts are a win-win idea.

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That is exactly why I liked the idea of the inserts. This false belief that going to urethane bushings is the magic pill confuses people.
If experts are saying stick with rubber, then the inserts are a win-win idea.
Aren't the inserts made of urethane? Has anyone had these in long enough to know if how long they hold up? If they crack or break, with they do more damage than good?
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The inserts are only intended to reduce movement where there was no rubber. I'm no expert, but I think the inserts are plastic, not urethane. The bottom line is the rubber bushing is still doing most of the support, not the insert.

Ask the seller for any long term reliability or durability testimonials.

One thing I'm sure of. I had the front and rear alignment done PRIOR to putting these inserts in. When I returned to have the front alignment redone, because I had mounted the front camber kit wrong, the mechanic said my rear was way off. He asked me if I messed with the rear end. I said no, then realized I had recently put the inserts in. He assumed the rear camber kit bolts came loose, but in reality, it was the inserts that threw the rear alignment off.

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Aren't the inserts made of urethane? Has anyone had these in long enough to know if how long they hold up? If they crack or break, with they do more damage than good?
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I have replaced the trailing arm bushings with the Bavauto camber kit and it was worth every penny.(500 parts and labor)The handling and feel was definitely improved. I guess I will give it a try for $30 how can I go wrong.
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IMO the urethane bushings transmit too much vibration and stress the other components of the car too much. They are for the track. The inserts look good to me (not sure how they could throw the allignment off by much) because they are only there to fill the gaps and only do any supporting when you corner. Can't see them causing any damage if they were to disintegrate. ti's seem to eat cross member bushings faster than any E30 we have seen, so I would wager that by the time the inserts are done, the bushings should probably have been replaced a couple of times.
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I threw off my alignment, because the inner two inserts are a bitch to get inserted. In the pics you will see me use a cargo strap to force the center bolt outward enough to fit the inserts.

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The inserts look good to me (not sure how they could throw the allignment off by much) because they are only there to fill the gaps and only do any supporting when you corner.
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I've replaced my traling arm bushings too, with the BavAuto camber kit. $250.00 for parts, and alot of blood sweat and tears, but no labor cost.

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