Any interest in a Group Buy?

[gimp]

Here is the link to buy with the special group buy price.

He said that this is the best he can do right now since there are only 4 or 5 in stock, but if he can get 10 orders in the next 30 days the price could come down a little. He needs to double check with his suppliers.

Don't hesitate, grab them up now!

[Danny318]

Hey! Isnt the front bar the same for regular 318's? (non ti) I am looking for a 28mm front bar, so if there is any way I could just get the front bar, I would be interested. If someone gets one and wants to sell it to me, that would be cool too...

[Storz]

Interested

[gimp]

Originally Posted by Danny318

Hey! Isnt the front bar the same for regular 318's? (non ti) I am looking for a 28mm front bar, so if there is any way I could just get the front bar, I would be interested. If someone gets one and wants to sell it to me, that would be cool too...

I thought the bar was the same, but it does have a different part number. The H&R bars are a different part number from the regular e36 too.

I'm sure he can do something on the front bar, but it would be best to contact him directly - try AIM LudicrouSpd

[gimp]

Originally Posted by robcarync

interested but cant commit quite yet...

does anyone know how difficult it is to install them...ive done a search and i cant find my bentley manual right now (just moved from SC up to raleigh for school....its somewhere im sure...) not looking for step by step instructions....but it is a do it yourself project right? im pretty handy when working on the car so i think i can do it...

and is there anything that needs reinforced by running larger sways...i ask because in my searching i found a comment form jim



i dont want to pick up a sway kit and have to go to work replacing other things...im not heavily tracking my car or anything....just autocrossing every once in a while

what exactly is the performance like....i know it 'increases' handling.....and i read one comment that just said the car handled amazing or something like that....not too specfic...

i mean i realize a larger bar will tighten it up and flex less and all that good stuff...just curious about the specfics...trying to make sure itd be worth my money for the kit

anyway....as long as the kit includes everything to install and i wont have to upgrade other parts to use the kit....then id say im 99% in

Sway bars aren't that hard to install. You can do it in the driveway with jack stands and hand tools. I've done it on a couple different cars without much difficulty.

Sway bars work as a traverse spring. They only have an effect when the wheels move independently. When one wheel is pushed up, the other one is forced the other direction. EDIT - That was wrong. Very sorry.

The main application for a sway bar is to reduce body roll. This reduction in roll keeps a more consistent camber curve and keeps the tire in better contact with the road. In addition, a stiffer rear bar, or overall stiffer rear bias will get rid of some of the car's tendency to understeer, or push.


As far as needing reinforcements. I've read up a lot on this, and I am pretty certain that you will be okay without them. I know tracked e36s need the reinforcement, but I haven't seen anything definitive yet on cars with the e30 rear setup.

I *think* a normal driver and occasional autocrosser would be okay without, but if you were building a serious track car I would consider sourcing reinforcements (then again, I'd do that on any serious track car).

[roadrash]

Originally Posted by gimp

Sway bars work as a traverse spring. They only have an effect when the wheels move independently. When one wheel is pushed up, the other one is forced the other direction.

Are you sure about that?

I've always understood that sway bars work by doing the opposite of what you described. I.e., in a turn, the upwards pressure applied to the outside wheel (by centrifugal force) is also transferred to the inside wheel, also forcing it upwards.

If, as you stated, the upward force applied to the outer wheel caused the inside wheel to move down... body roll would increase... wouldn't it? Or am I misunderstanding something??

JMJ

[roadrash]

BTW... sorry to bring up "suspension theory" in a "group buy" thread. Feel free to start a discussion in the appropriate forum.

And to get this thread back on topic... I just checked Pelican, and their price for a set of Sport sway bars is about $303. That doesn't include shipping or any of the attaching hardware. So, $290 shipped for bars and misc. attaching hardware bits is a pretty good deal... assuming that you want stiffer sways than what's on a Sport.

[gimp]

Originally Posted by roadrash

Are you sure about that?

I've always understood that sway bars work by doing the opposite of what you described. I.e., in a turn, the upwards pressure applied to the outside wheel (by centrifugal force) is also transferred to the inside wheel, also forcing it upwards.

If, as you stated, the upward force applied to the outer wheel caused the inside wheel to move down... body roll would increase... wouldn't it? Or am I misunderstanding something??

JMJ

You are very right... I'm sorry... I feel like a bit of an ass, but it's been a long day. I'm not quite sure what I was thinking... LOL

[roadrash]

heh heh... no worries, and no need to feel like an ass!

Thanks for arranging a group buy... I just wish I could justify taking advantage of it right now. But, alas... I'm saving up for other things right now.

[96cali]

Originally Posted by gimp

Give me the part numbers and I'll see what I can do.

Part # for Pro-Kit springs: E2044-140

From German Eibach website:
http://www.eibach.de/index_2.php?LID...0&LID4=0&MODL=[D]3er%20E36%20(3/C)%20Compact[/D][E]3-series%20E36%20(3/C)%20Compact[/E]&SPA=1&C_lang=en&STEP_2=1&STEP=1&STEP_3=1&HRST=BMW&STARTLIST=1

[robcarync]

thanks for the answers...looks like i will probalby order a kit, but i will decide for sure tomorrrow

[gimp]

Sorry guys, but I hadn't even thought about how international this board really is.

The price of $290 shipped is only for the lower 48 States. Those of you outside of there still get a deal, but the shipping may be a little more. Instant Message Chookeat (LudicrouSpd) on AIM if you need a different quote.

[JedzE36/5]

about the mount reinforcements...

turner sells reinforcment kits for the front and rear. basically they are plates that you would have someone weld on to the subframe. if you arent a full race car then you could probably forget the front reinforcements for now. i would get the rear reinforcements though. several Tis and MZ3s around here have cracking issues even though they are just occassional autocrossers. The MZ3s using with stock bars and the Tis with aftermarket. the cost of the reinforcements is really small in comparisson to having to repair frame damage later.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TSU3075305

im not too sure if we would use this:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TSU3075308

[JedzE36/5]

ok I am buying definetely but will not be able to buy until next Thursday.

[gimp]

Originally Posted by JedzE36/5

about the mount reinforcements...

turner sells reinforcment kits for the front and rear. basically they are plates that you would have someone weld on to the subframe. if you arent a full race car then you could probably forget the front reinforcements for now. i would get the rear reinforcements though. several Tis and MZ3s around here have cracking issues even though they are just occassional autocrossers. The MZ3s using with stock bars and the Tis with aftermarket. the cost of the reinforcements is really small in comparisson to having to repair frame damage later.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TSU3075305

im not too sure if we would use this:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TSU3075308

I think that's pretty rock solid advice.

The second link to the Turner stuff looks really nice (and easy for anyone to install). I will email them to see if they work on the ti.