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Quote: Originally Posted by dave45056  1. Fan Delete Mod
2. Fogg your Airbox
3. Tune Up
All of these are cheap.
If you have a M42 engine, think about the Intake Cam Advance trick... that one is free | It cracks me up when people say dumb sh!t like this. The 318ti uses an electric PULLER fan(behind the radiator) DON'T DELETE IT! 6cyl e36's have an auxiliary fan which is an electric PUSHER fan(in front of the A/C condenser) as well as an engine driven clutch fan that mounts to the water pump. This is the fan referred to in regards to the FDM. Personally I'm keeping the fan on my 332ti as I often get stuck in traffic during the afternoon heat. Yes they're prone to losing blades and damaging radiators, but as long as you inspect the blades for cracks from time to time, you'll be alright. Again, THE FDM IS FOR 6CYL CAR'S ONLY! DON'T DELETE YOUR ELECTRIC FAN! __________________ 4 MORE YEARS BABY!!! |  |  | | 10-19-2008, 09:22 PM | #17 | | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Land of the Vikings Posts: 2,700 |
both the 318ti M42 and M44 use the viscose clutch on the waterpump.
all Bmw e36s use viscose clutches ,
If there is any pictures on the EPC from BMW, that isnt used in connection with the air-con, id like to see it.
The fan delete mentioned, is the removal of the clutch based fan, and installation of an electric unit with an extra thermoswitch attached near the out pipe of the radiator or directly controlled by the double temp switch on the rad housing.
the benefit is mostly a precausionary measure addopted by some to prevent future radiator damage..
Pointless mod in my opinion.. but where would the world be without inovation.. __________________ 
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I've never seen that before Mallard. When I replaced my water pump on my M44, it just had a pulley attached to it. It spun constantly with the pulley. Also, every ti that I've seen, and there's a lot of them here in SoCal, didn't have a fan or anything connected to the water pump. Maybe I'm missing something. I'm not sure I know what a viscous clutch is? Does anyone here have a belt driven fan on their M42 or M44? I may have been confused this whole time, looks like I'm about to learn something new  Edit; Wow! I just found this: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...44&hg=11&fg=35 Did the previous owner of my car do the fan delete mod? Has anyone on the forum removed their fan? I didn't think our cars came with one. __________________ 4 MORE YEARS BABY!!! | | | | | 10-19-2008, 10:01 PM | #19 | | NOBODY F's with the Jesus Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ventura California Posts: 7,824 |
^^^Alright, this is really bugging me. Can anyone confirm this? Post up if you have a fan attached to your water pump pulley. This only applies to those with M42's and M44's. Thanks. __________________ 4 MORE YEARS BABY!!! | | | | | 10-19-2008, 10:33 PM | #20 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, Ohio Posts: 868 |
I can ABSOLUTELY confirm this. Original equipment = clutch fan of water pump + electric puller fan on radiator. Fan Delete Mod is removing the clutch fan and leaving the electric fan. I would never suggested deleting the electric fan. That is not what the FDM is.  Need further proof? Look here: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...05&hg=11&fg=35 Anyway do a little research before you start ridiculing people, Jess. | | | | | 10-20-2008, 01:29 AM | #21 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 970 |
hey jess, ill help you out a little here haha.
m42's came factory with a fan clutch but had the option for an electric fan on all e36
m44's came stock with an electric fan but had an option for the fan clutch on all e36s, z's __________________ 
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Quote: Originally Posted by dave45056 I can ABSOLUTELY confirm this.
Original equipment = clutch fan of water pump + electric puller fan on radiator.
Fan Delete Mod is removing the clutch fan and leaving the electric fan.
I would never suggested deleting the electric fan. That is not what the FDM is.
Need further proof? Look here...
Anyway do a little research before you start ridiculing people, Jess. | Actually, that doesn't prove jack sh!t. My M44 had the same threaded fitting on the waterpump hub and when I replaced the waterpump, the new one came with the same fitting. Are you telling me that EVERYONE that owns a '95 318ti did the fan delete mod? I understand what minicoop900 is saying about it being an option on M44's, but I've seen numerous '95 Ti's with M42's and NONE of them had a fan mounted on the waterpump. Showing me a picture of a hub minus a fan doesn't prove squat. Show me a North American 318ti, not a 318i or 318is, with a fan mounted there and I'll eat my words. FWIW, I'm not saying that they don't exist. I'm just saying that I've never seen a 318ti with an engine mounted fan and I've seen a lot of 318ti engine bays here in North America. Surely if they exist, someone here can confirm it. __________________ 4 MORE YEARS BABY!!! | | | | | 10-20-2008, 02:08 AM | #23 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 9,356 |
Quote: Originally Posted by cooljess76 FWIW, I'm not saying that they don't exist. I'm just saying that I've never seen a 318ti with an engine mounted fan and I've seen a lot of 318ti engine bays here in North America. Surely if they exist, someone here can confirm it. | My M44 didn't have a fan mounted to the motor either. __________________ ...steven
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mallard both the 318ti M42 and M44 use the viscose clutch on the waterpump.
all Bmw e36s use viscose clutches ,
If there is any pictures on the EPC from BMW, that isnt used in connection with the air-con, id like to see it.
The fan delete mentioned, is the removal of the clutch based fan, and installation of an electric unit with an extra thermoswitch attached near the out pipe of the radiator or directly controlled by the double temp switch on the rad housing.
the benefit is mostly a precausionary measure addopted by some to prevent future radiator damage..
Pointless mod in my opinion.. but where would the world be without inovation.. | Some even do away with the electric fan though. They just use the condenser fan to cool the radiator. http://www.understeer.com/onlinestore-engine.shtml understeer do have a fan delete kit on sale. It comes with a replacement thermostat and fan switch so the condenser fan will be activated at lower temps. IMHO, removing the clutch fan should help a little in saving weight and reducing parasitic drag on the engine. Its not alot but every tiny bit adds up. | | | | | 10-20-2008, 02:15 AM | #25 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern California - Orange county Posts: 978 |
Quote: Originally Posted by minicoop900 hey jess, ill help you out a little here haha.
m42's came factory with a fan clutch but had the option for an electric fan on all e36
m44's came stock with an electric fan but had an option for the fan clutch on all e36s, z's | i got a 95 base ti and it has an electric fan on it __________________ 1995 318ti Cosmos Black
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oh, ok maybe for the ti's all of them came with an electric, im not sure
but on the sedans/coupes i know most of the m42's had fan clutches __________________
^being rebuilt^
until then:
daily car:
96' Blue DASC'd ti with koni coilovers
slowly progressing...
weekend car:
85 1/2' 944 Porsche
no a/c, p/s, gutted cat, loud as hell exhaust, loud as hell sound system | | | | | 10-20-2008, 02:41 AM | #27 | | Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 36 |
Quote: Originally Posted by minicoop900 oh, ok maybe for the ti's all of them came with an electric, im not sure
but on the sedans/coupes i know most of the m42's had fan clutches | I agreed. My 318is comes with clutch fan as well. | | | | | 10-20-2008, 03:02 AM | #28 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, Ohio Posts: 868 |
Jess, the OP said he car was a 318... he did not say if it was a ti or not. | | | | | 10-20-2008, 03:41 AM | #29 | | NOBODY F's with the Jesus Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ventura California Posts: 7,824 |
C'mon man, let's not turn this into a stupid argument. Yes I understand that there's about 1% of members who do not own 318ti's, but seriously, THIS IS A 318TI FORUM  __________________ 4 MORE YEARS BABY!!! | | | | | 10-20-2008, 05:34 PM | #30 | | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Land of the Vikings Posts: 2,700 |
as far as BMW are concerned, the Engine cooling system opperates a Viscose clutch cooling system
All vehicles equipped with air-con have the suplimentary electric fan for the air con radiator.
On the BMW epc, all e36 318ti, both M42 and M44 irrespective of region use the viscose setup on the waterpump. __________________
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