KO Performance 1.9l Eaton supercharger kit

[KOjag]

We had a few of you guys come out and look at our kit I know one of the guys who came was active on this forum, any feedback?

[Dredder]

Originally Posted by 96Cali

Seems like the Kojag unit, but Lisa's Ti hit 190 with Dasc and other small add ons.

stage 3 tuning is not by any bit a small mod.

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KO, this is a great achievement pulling just a little under 200rwhp from stock internals with no modification. What number are you expecting with bigger pulleys and alc/h2o injection?
What is your plan on people with M44 engine knowing the internals are not forged? They are not as strong as m42 engine. Will this kit have a internal ugrades for m44?
Are you going to have stage upgrades for the kit? Stage 1 - 3 or whatever.

[KOjag]

Pistons, rods , cams are all available , We can package them as stage 2.3.4. etc. But you would be surprised how much power you can make just by removing the cat with our s/c, we see another 30 HP at the top and we run more CFM at the same pressure. IE: We use a smaller pulley after removing the cats and the boost PSI stayed the same but we picked up about 30 HP. We also have a 3" ID throttle body to go with that, the idea is , there is a lot of power to be made with these engines without going in the motor, its all about calculating the maximum efficiency.

[cossieturbo]

I may be interested in this deal as it sounds like a great offer. ("I want to run a group buy for the S/C at $1,999. I need at least 5 people"). Is this kits fit and finish plus its instructions on par with the DASC? Thanks.

cossieturbo
Erik

[KOjag]

We just finished another install on a car this afternoon, he has our out of the box $2,499 supercharger with no extras. The car will be here until monday morning so I will post some pictures of the install so you can see what the finished kits you will recieve will look like under your hood. As for the installation manual, it is full of pictures and assumes no previous mechanical knowledge. I am not at liberty to send out copies of the instruction manual without purchase because it contains pictures and information that we have spent alot of money to develope. But if a potential customer contacts me for information I can send you a text only version of the manual so you can decide if you can do the install yourself.
BTW: John Paul (CEO of KO performance and my boss) is having the kit uploaded on our web site september 1st and at that point I will not be able to sell at intro price. The list price for the supercharger kit is $2,999 and all intro pricing or Group buy pricing will be over september 1st. So if you are going to buy the system I would call and lock in a price. 3 people have locked in the $1,999 Group buy price already.The superchargers are in stock.

[AlaskaBlue]

Ok I am liking the way this sounds. Now lets use my car as an example here. It is a 1995 318ti motor with the M42. I have no catalytic converter. I do have a dinan chip. I want lots of power. Would the kit come with some custom burned chip since it is a 95 OBD-I for my specific application? I consider this very important especially if I decided to go with a higher stage upgrade kit.

Also how much boost can a stock M42 engine take?

What are the limits to the power of an M42 without going into the engine?

Say I want 300-400 hp on my 1.8 is that something that is even possible with modified internals?

[KOjag]

Originally Posted by AlaskaBlue

Would the kit come with some custom burned chip since it is a 95 OBD-I for my specific application? I consider this very important especially if I decided to go with a higher stage upgrade kit.

Our kit is designed to run on stock software with the stage one(200 RWH), however , we have a stage 2 setup for $3,650 ($1,650 if you already have the s/c)
that consists of:
larger injectors, a chip, and 3" air mass meter, 3" throttle body, water injection and an 11 psi pulley is good for up to 250 HP at the rear wheel which is the maximum HP the internals will support.

Stage 3 $6,300 :($4,200 if you already have our supercharger kit)
consists of Forged pistons, rods, KO header-back exhaust system, H20/alc after charge injection, 14 psi pulley , 70 degree thermostate, 3" throttle body, software,injectors, HFM, stage 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel--300+HP.
At the end of the day the stage 3 will cost about the same as the M3 swap and is a 100HP greater then a stock M3 engine.

[Dredder]

Originally Posted by KOjag

Our kit is designed to run on stock software with the stage one(200 RWH), however , we have a stage 2 setup for $3,650 ($1,650 if you already have the s/c)
that consists of:
larger injectors, a chip, and 3" air mass meter, 3" throttle body, water injection and an 11 psi pulley is good for up to 250 HP at the rear wheel which is the maximum HP the internals will support.

Stage 3 $6,300 $4,200 if you already have our supercharger kit)
consists of Forged pistons, rods, KO header-back exhaust system, H20/alc after charge injection, 14 psi pulley , 70 degree thermostate, 3" throttle body, software,injectors, HFM, stage 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel--300+HP.
At the end of the day the stage 3 will cost about the same as the M3 swap and is a 100HP greater then a stock M3 engine.

Are these numbers just flying off actual results or just a guestimate?

[KOjag]

Originally Posted by Dredder

Are these numbers just flying off actual results or just a guestimate?

Actual results, when we were developing the kit we continued to add boost and cooling systems, larger pluming untill the engine internals failed under parfect AFR just due to more power then the rods will take. Then we rebuilt the engine forged and added more boost until the engine would roast an M3 clutch and tear the diff off of the poorly designed rear sub-frame. But as to your question, yes thes are actual averages of our HP figures.

[city]

Originally Posted by KOjag

Our kit is designed to run on stock software with the stage one(200 RWH), however , we have a stage 2 setup for $3,650 ($1,650 if you already have the s/c)
that consists of:
larger injectors, a chip, and 3" air mass meter, 3" throttle body, water injection and an 11 psi pulley is good for up to 250 HP at the rear wheel which is the maximum HP the internals will support.

Stage 3 $6,300 $4,200 if you already have our supercharger kit)
consists of Forged pistons, rods, KO header-back exhaust system, H20/alc after charge injection, 14 psi pulley , 70 degree thermostate, 3" throttle body, software,injectors, HFM, stage 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel--300+HP.
At the end of the day the stage 3 will cost about the same as the M3 swap and is a 100HP greater then a stock M3 engine.

What will your chip actually be programmed to do? Would it benefit me to use it with my DASC and supersprint exhuast? Also will the stage 2 kit work with the DASC as compared to your SC. Is this kit a fairly easy DIY? Last thing, What kind of HP gain could you expect with purchasing the stage 2 kit and using it with the DASC?

[Dredder]

as far as chip goes why not just contact NickG @ techniquetuning. its pretty much the same probably. I bet KO chip is designed for their setup. Thats would be like taking a m3 chip and putting it on a 325. Unless he can do a custom ship then i would recommend getting TT tinging for DASC. Another way is to sell your DASC and buy this kit

KO, do you gaurantee your rwhp on this kit?

[pdxmotorhead]

You can't wring the full potential of the M42 at stock compression ratio's.

10:1 is too high. If you want to make power you need 8.5:1 and run the blower faster. Otherwise det city here ya come. The 200 to 240 range HP is realistic with caution. Much beyond that and your fighting the inevitable meltdown. Import tuners are like gambling addicts, They only talk about what they won never what they lost. (Broken engines, tranny's etc....) Whether you go DASC or KO the blowers are the same,(For practical discussion) Other than different intake manifolds and a few other detail items ultimate power is going to be pretty much the same AFTER you learn and tune it. If you do a little web surfing on the Magnesun and Eaton sites there are very good tables on Boost to HP and the actual results are pretty close.

You should also read http://www.sdsefi.com/tech.html For a lot of good pretty straight info.

Just my opinion mind you....
Dave

[Blackie]

Originally Posted by Viper3812

No problem, I will let everyone know and I'll bring my camera for some close up pics.

Got any update/comments regarding this kit?

[Tyler]

Do you have this on a website,so we can take a better look and read more info on it?

[Viper3812]

Originally Posted by Blackie

Got any update/comments regarding this kit?

Sorry for not posting, I just moved last week and have been busy and forgot about my trip to Miami.

I saw the supercharger that day and liked the setup. The supercharger I saw was in a Z3 body and looked good. Unlike the DASC this one is away from the engine and I beieve the intake is different from the 318's because this one had an extended air duct to the lower part of the front bumper. I took a picture of it, but am having trouble posting it up. I will try and post it in my gallery if anyone would like to take a closer look of the supercharger.

From what I saw and have been reading I am really interested in buying this supercharger from KO, but can't at this moment because I am short of money, but it will be in my future plan.