» Site Navigation | | » Recent Threads | 1999 M3 Swap 09-07-2023 10:10 PM 05-02-2024 08:18 PM 6 Replies, 328,696 Views | | | | | | | 06-20-2005, 05:59 AM | #1 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 411 | Performance numbers? Anyone have any performance numbers for me to look forward to? I'm guessing with a 3.45LSD, before it breaks, the car should do 0-60mph in 5 seconds flat? | | | 06-20-2005, 02:35 PM | #2 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 4,129 | Are you using the stock LSD for a 318ti? If so, do you think it will hold out with the lightweight flywheel and DASC? I'm considering a lightweight flywheel, does your car shake when idling? What can you say about the benefit of the lightweight flywheel? You may not even notice it since you have the DASC as well. Quote: Originally Posted by Silver00spike Anyone have any performance numbers for me to look forward to? I'm guessing with a 3.45LSD, before it breaks, the car should do 0-60mph in 5 seconds flat? | __________________ 1998 (July) 318ti, 5-spd OEM Armrest Blaupunkt Heidelberg CD50 CD Player/Compact Drive MP3 Player Diamond Audio 5.25" rear speakers Navman ICN 530 GPS BMWALARM.COM (with comfort settings) after market alarm system Magnecor 8.5mm wires M-Z3 Shifter/Momo Knob Burlwood Dashboard Stromung Exhaust X-brace Racing Dynamics Front Strut Bar Carbonio C.A.I. 17" Rial Rims Vader Seats/Heated/Lumbar Support M-tech Steering Wheel/Front Sway Bar/Front & Rear Bumper Depos/w 6500K Angel Eyes/6000K HIDs Clear Corners M3 Mirrors UUC Light Weight Flywheel/M5 Clutch/M3 Clutch Slave E28 3.46 LSD/Mcoupe Cover/E30 Flanges & Halfshafts UUC S.S. Brake/Clutch Lines Hartge Roof Spoiler BavAuto Springs Bilstein Sport Struts/Shocks E46 M3 Rear Shock Mounts SPC Front Camber Kit Reiger Hatch Spoiler BavAuto Rear Camber Kit Dinan Stage II Software Turner Rear Sway Bar Reinforcements BMW E46 Auto dimming mirror with Clown Nose alarm Engine Compartment Light Heated Wiper Fluid Retrofit OEM Fire Extinguisher Da'lan Trailer Hitch Rear Sun Shade OEM Fog Light Retrofit H & R MZ3 Rear Sway Bar/ UUC Adjustable End Links Cruise Control Retrofit On Board Computer Retrofit M3 twistie style side skirts Carbon Fiber Hood | | | 06-22-2005, 06:07 AM | #3 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 411 | Quote: Originally Posted by L84THSKY Are you using the stock LSD for a 318ti? If so, do you think it will hold out with the lightweight flywheel and DASC? I'm considering a lightweight flywheel, does your car shake when idling? What can you say about the benefit of the lightweight flywheel? You may not even notice it since you have the DASC as well. | My stock open LSD went to the pooper with 108k miles on the clock, with 10 of those being with DASC. Will yours hold? I haven't heard of others having problems. Car does shack at idle, and rattle too, but I don't mind. You will definately notice difference in first and second gears, which are awesome | | | 06-22-2005, 06:37 AM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: cary, nc Posts: 2,259 | just curious...but about what hp would a DASC ti be at...like if that is the only modification to it. not that i have the money for one...but i was just curious as to how much power you can actually get out of a DASC __________________ 1995 318ti Active Pioneer Speakers [] Aluminum Billet door locks [] ACS Pedals/Deadrest [] ACS Shift Knob / E-Brake Handle [] Clear Corners/Tails/Sides [] Sylvania Exterior Lighting [] Custom CAI [] Dinan Engine Chip [] Dinan Transmission Chip [] H&R Race Springs [] Tokico Illumina Shocks [] BMW X-Brace [] Relocated Lighter Mod [] Custom iPod Mod http://www.cardomain.com/id/robcarync | | | 06-22-2005, 07:35 AM | #5 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muncie, Indiana Posts: 1,551 | Quote: Originally Posted by Silver00spike Car does shack at idle, and rattle too, but I don't mind. You will definately notice difference in first and second gears, which are awesome | I second that. When I first got the flywheel I was amazed with first and second and neutral. Neutral because I was amazed at the speed it reved up. First and second because of the acceleration. | | | 06-22-2005, 03:06 PM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: madison, WI Posts: 402 | Quote: Originally Posted by robcarync just curious...but about what hp would a DASC ti be at...like if that is the only modification to it. not that i have the money for one...but i was just curious as to how much power you can actually get out of a DASC | go to www.downingatlanta.com __________________ Mods: clear turn signals, Silverstar headlight bulbs, k&N custom CAI, removed A/C, lightened crank pulley, painted brakes, custom clutch stop, custom strut bar, x-brace, custom solid tranny mounts, Memphis sound system, Sachs sport clutch, B&M short shifter, lightened flywheel, redline MTL .... Emberrassing honda owners one drive at a time http://members.cardomain.com/mghockey | | | 06-22-2005, 06:07 PM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 4,129 | That's all I'm looking for; 1st and 2nd gear torque benefits. So the lightweight flywheel and a LSD (3.45 or 3.64) is what I want. Too bad the 3.64 LSD I just bought doesn't seem to work on our cars. Quote: Originally Posted by AlaskaBlue I second that. When I first got the flywheel I was amazed with first and second and neutral. Neutral because I was amazed at the speed it reved up. First and second because of the acceleration. | __________________ 1998 (July) 318ti, 5-spd OEM Armrest Blaupunkt Heidelberg CD50 CD Player/Compact Drive MP3 Player Diamond Audio 5.25" rear speakers Navman ICN 530 GPS BMWALARM.COM (with comfort settings) after market alarm system Magnecor 8.5mm wires M-Z3 Shifter/Momo Knob Burlwood Dashboard Stromung Exhaust X-brace Racing Dynamics Front Strut Bar Carbonio C.A.I. 17" Rial Rims Vader Seats/Heated/Lumbar Support M-tech Steering Wheel/Front Sway Bar/Front & Rear Bumper Depos/w 6500K Angel Eyes/6000K HIDs Clear Corners M3 Mirrors UUC Light Weight Flywheel/M5 Clutch/M3 Clutch Slave E28 3.46 LSD/Mcoupe Cover/E30 Flanges & Halfshafts UUC S.S. Brake/Clutch Lines Hartge Roof Spoiler BavAuto Springs Bilstein Sport Struts/Shocks E46 M3 Rear Shock Mounts SPC Front Camber Kit Reiger Hatch Spoiler BavAuto Rear Camber Kit Dinan Stage II Software Turner Rear Sway Bar Reinforcements BMW E46 Auto dimming mirror with Clown Nose alarm Engine Compartment Light Heated Wiper Fluid Retrofit OEM Fire Extinguisher Da'lan Trailer Hitch Rear Sun Shade OEM Fog Light Retrofit H & R MZ3 Rear Sway Bar/ UUC Adjustable End Links Cruise Control Retrofit On Board Computer Retrofit M3 twistie style side skirts Carbon Fiber Hood | | | 06-22-2005, 07:04 PM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: cary, nc Posts: 2,259 | actually, right after i asked that, i ended up at that site and found it out on my own...thanks though! __________________ 1995 318ti Active Pioneer Speakers [] Aluminum Billet door locks [] ACS Pedals/Deadrest [] ACS Shift Knob / E-Brake Handle [] Clear Corners/Tails/Sides [] Sylvania Exterior Lighting [] Custom CAI [] Dinan Engine Chip [] Dinan Transmission Chip [] H&R Race Springs [] Tokico Illumina Shocks [] BMW X-Brace [] Relocated Lighter Mod [] Custom iPod Mod http://www.cardomain.com/id/robcarync | | | 06-23-2005, 02:30 AM | #9 | Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lowell, Ma Posts: 61 | Quote: Originally Posted by Silver00spike Anyone have any performance numbers for me to look forward to? I'm guessing with a 3.45LSD, before it breaks, the car should do 0-60mph in 5 seconds flat? | Closer to 6.5 seconds I'd think, A stock E46 M3 does it in 5.0-5.2 seconds, A stock E36 M3 does it in about 5.5-5.7 seconds. My 330ti had 285-290hp at the crank, put 238hp to the wheels with my 3.46 differential when it wad dyno'd in March. One of the last times I drove my car before I totalled it, I had the 3.23LSD installed, and that night I raced an E46 M3. We were within 1/2 car length all the way to 80mph, my car had a 1/2 car length lead until 80, we were dead even at 85, then he started to slowly pull away. So I'd say my car does 0-60 in about 5.0-5.2 seconds. A DASC 318ti has 215-220hp at the crank, and puts about 165-170hp to the ground. The power to weight ratio is too low to do 0-60 in under 6.5 seconds, which is still way faster than the stock 9.5-10.5 seconds. | | | 06-23-2005, 07:54 PM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 411 | Quote: Originally Posted by Carstereopro Closer to 6.5 seconds I'd think, A stock E46 M3 does it in 5.0-5.2 seconds, A stock E36 M3 does it in about 5.5-5.7 seconds. My 330ti had 285-290hp at the crank, put 238hp to the wheels with my 3.46 differential when it wad dyno'd in March. One of the last times I drove my car before I totalled it, I had the 3.23LSD installed, and that night I raced an E46 M3. We were within 1/2 car length all the way to 80mph, my car had a 1/2 car length lead until 80, we were dead even at 85, then he started to slowly pull away. So I'd say my car does 0-60 in about 5.0-5.2 seconds. A DASC 318ti has 215-220hp at the crank, and puts about 165-170hp to the ground. The power to weight ratio is too low to do 0-60 in under 6.5 seconds, which is still way faster than the stock 9.5-10.5 seconds. | I'm having a 3.2 m3 engine installed as we speak. They're also trying to modify the 3.23lsd from the m3 to fit, along with my lightweight clutch and flywheel. Dasc with engine being sold together in the for sale section for $3k | | | 06-23-2005, 08:52 PM | #11 | Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lowell, Ma Posts: 61 | Quote: Originally Posted by Silver00spike I'm having a 3.2 m3 engine installed as we speak. They're also trying to modify the 3.23lsd from the m3 to fit, along with my lightweight clutch and flywheel. Dasc with engine being sold together in the for sale section for $3k | Oh, I apologize, I was looking at your sig. If the 3.2l is stock, and you get the M3 3.23lsd in, I'd expect a 0-60 of around 5.5 seconds, maybe better with a good launch. I only say this because my engine makes an extra 45-50hp over a stock 3.2L S52 block. I have "the freak engine" according to my BMW friends, with only porting/polishing the head, an intake and exhaust my car shouldn't be making as much power as it does. All the other E36 M3s that had similar mods that were at the dyno that day were putting 216-225hp to the ground. I just got lucky that the M3 donor car I had bought had a "performance" rebuilt engine from Bavarian Engine Exchane with about 10k miles on it. | | | 06-24-2005, 03:08 AM | #12 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 411 | Quote: Originally Posted by Carstereopro Oh, I apologize, I was looking at your sig. If the 3.2l is stock, and you get the M3 3.23lsd in, I'd expect a 0-60 of around 5.5 seconds, maybe better with a good launch. I only say this because my engine makes an extra 45-50hp over a stock 3.2L S52 block. I have "the freak engine" according to my BMW friends, with only porting/polishing the head, an intake and exhaust my car shouldn't be making as much power as it does. All the other E36 M3s that had similar mods that were at the dyno that day were putting 216-225hp to the ground. I just got lucky that the M3 donor car I had bought had a "performance" rebuilt engine from Bavarian Engine Exchane with about 10k miles on it. | how come only 5.5, like the stock m3, which weighs a couple hundred pounds more? I raced an e46 m3, and lost by about 3 car lengths by 80 with the supercharger | | | 06-24-2005, 05:19 AM | #13 | Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lowell, Ma Posts: 61 | Quote: Originally Posted by Silver00spike how come only 5.5, like the stock m3, which weighs a couple hundred pounds more? I raced an e46 m3, and lost by about 3 car lengths by 80 with the supercharger | First of all I'n not trying to burst your bubble, just being realistic and conservative. Was the E46 M3 an SMG, 6 speed or auto? It has been documented, and has happened on several occasions where a stock E46 M3 with the right driver can do a 0-60 run at 4.6 seconds. Did you run the car just once, or several times, because I've seen a DASC'd 318ti get spanked by a stock E36 M3 with a good driver, and a stock E36 M3 is no match for an E46 M3. A stock E36 m3 makes more torque and horsepower than your DASC'd ti. Even though they are close as far a power to weight ratio, the M3's superior rear suspension will allow it to launch better, and the better torque of the M3 would allow it to accellerate a little faster than your ti. I have seen guys that claimed to be able to do a 0-60 run in a stock E36 M3 (3.2l w/ stock 3.23 lsd)in 5 flat with the right tires, but for the average driver, its unlikely. If your just swapping the motor and not upgrading to the M3 suspension, steering rack, tranny, brakes, etc..... You will not be a match for a good driver in an E36 M3, forget about an E46 M3. I did the whole "conversion" not just the motor, and my car could not out-handle a stock E36 M3 due to the crappy rear suspension from the E30 we are blessed with. Again, I'm not trying to offend you, just being realistic. If you're only swapping a stock 3.2l motor into your ti, I'm still going to say that with a 3.23lsd, 5.5 seconds would be a great run. My car is just barely faster than that with 239 horses at the wheels (about 285-290 at the crank), and your motor will be about 240 that at the crank. | | | 06-24-2005, 07:29 AM | #14 | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 484 | Quote: Originally Posted by Carstereopro If you're only swapping a stock 3.2l motor into your ti, I'm still going to say that with a 3.23lsd, 5.5 seconds would be a great run. My car is just barely faster than that with 239 horses at the wheels (about 285-290 at the crank), and your motor will be about 240 that at the crank. | Did you ever get a change to run the 1/4 mile? __________________ S50 Swap, Euro 3.5" HFM (MAF), my custom Chip, Cosmo CAI, Custom Exhaust, 6 Cyl. Gauge cluster, 80C thermostat, E46 330 Front Brakes, Powder coated Calipers, Clear Corners, Black Grill, UUC SSK, M3 Front Strut, M3 Front Springs, Powder Coated Valve Cover, ZR3 Laser. and some | | | 06-24-2005, 02:07 PM | #15 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 411 | I'm getting a buttload of things swapped over. The engine, tranny, whole front suspension with steering rack, LSD, driveshaft, and gauge cluster. 39k miles on it all. $5250. I'm so excited I'm currently running 215 wide tires. How wide can I go on an 8" wide wheel? 255? | | | | | Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |