» Site Navigation | | » Recent Threads | looove 04-16-2024 01:18 PM 04-16-2024 01:18 PM 0 Replies, 424 Views | | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:45 PM 04-13-2024 11:45 PM 0 Replies, 213 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:43 PM 04-13-2024 11:44 PM 1 Replies, 140 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:40 PM 04-13-2024 11:41 PM 1 Replies, 143 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:38 PM 04-13-2024 11:39 PM 1 Replies, 143 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:36 PM 04-13-2024 11:37 PM 1 Replies, 137 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:35 PM 04-13-2024 11:35 PM 0 Replies, 121 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:34 PM 04-13-2024 11:34 PM 0 Replies, 126 Views | lolita porn 04-13-2024 11:33 PM 04-13-2024 11:33 PM 0 Replies, 118 Views | | | | | | 03-20-2007, 04:13 AM | #1 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Calabasas Posts: 187 | Can a BMW 6 Speed Tranny Work On Our Ti's? Can it be done? Can the european 6 speed (95/96 M3) fit in our cars? Can any 6 speed BMW box fit in our cars? I need more gears as I am approaching 4,000 rpm at cruising speed (75-80). I would like to have a cruising (freeway) gear. Please advise. Chris __________________ 2011 BMW X5d with EVERYTHING on it 2007 Cooper S (6 speed manual) 2001 Eurovan 1997 318ti | | | 03-20-2007, 03:07 PM | #2 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 | I am pretty sure it will as the stock ti tranny will work with an M50/52 or S50/52 motor. Think you will need a custom drive shaft though, esp if you keep the small case diff. __________________ My Former Rides 1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies 1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition | | | 03-20-2007, 03:39 PM | #3 | doesn't care about you. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,925 | Yep, that'll work, no problem. Also, the e46 330 6-speed with swap over as well. Check out this link: http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/s...gory_Code=6SPC __________________ '99 Dinan M3 | | | 03-20-2007, 04:09 PM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Calabasas Posts: 187 | Holy Sh*t! Quote: Originally Posted by DustenT | Flying to Europe & picking up a 6 speed box at a junkyard and then exporting it back home would (almost) be cheaper than $4500. Now my mind is made up. I'm going to do it. Any thoughts on the kind of clutch to use? Differential? I have the 'sport package' so I assume my diff is already different over standard? Chris __________________ 2011 BMW X5d with EVERYTHING on it 2007 Cooper S (6 speed manual) 2001 Eurovan 1997 318ti | | | 03-20-2007, 04:14 PM | #5 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,525 | No. Only the 95 clubsport had a standard LSD. As yours is a 97 with ASC it probably doesn't have LSD. I think it may have been possible to still get it as an option on the 97.. You can easily look at the tag on the diff to determine what it is. Also check out abloriginalparts.com, he has euro six speed transmissions for 2200 plus shipping crate/charges. You may have to wait on him to get one imported though. Seems like he gets a new shipment of euro motors/transmissions every other month or so. | | | 03-20-2007, 04:36 PM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 | Is that Alex Lipowiches site? __________________ My Former Rides 1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies 1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition | | | 03-20-2007, 04:40 PM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Halethorpe, MD Posts: 1,028 | This was discussed in the past on the Yahoo group and the consensus was that unless you also change the rear end gear ratio the 6th gear would put you too far below the powerband of the car to be usable. I don't know if that's actually the case or not, but it's something you should consider. Check the ratios on the cars that came with the 6 speed vs. our ratio. That should give you a place to start. Just because a part will fit doesn't mean it should fit. | | | 03-20-2007, 04:59 PM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,525 | Quote: Originally Posted by 96cali Is that Alex Lipowiches site? | Yes. I believe that is his name. | | | 03-21-2007, 02:59 AM | #9 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Calabasas Posts: 187 | Gearing Quote: Originally Posted by bullmand This was discussed in the past on the Yahoo group and the consensus was that unless you also change the rear end gear ratio the 6th gear would put you too far below the powerband of the car to be usable. I don't know if that's actually the case or not, but it's something you should consider. Check the ratios on the cars that came with the 6 speed vs. our ratio. That should give you a place to start. Just because a part will fit doesn't mean it should fit. | Was there a recommended rear end for this setup? Chris __________________ 2011 BMW X5d with EVERYTHING on it 2007 Cooper S (6 speed manual) 2001 Eurovan 1997 318ti | | | 03-21-2007, 02:45 PM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Halethorpe, MD Posts: 1,028 | I honestly don't remember. I can check the archives, but they're not user-friendly so it may take a few days. Here are some comments I found: It might be pretty good with a 4.44 diff from an auto and/or a DASC. Changing the trans is a waste of time and in 6th at 65mph will put you way below the powerband. Run it at 3500 RPM's until it dies (est 150-200k miles) then put a new motor in it. This will be cheaper in the long run and you will have more power at your disposal along the way. Unless your ti is producing significantly more power than stock (supercharged, turbo, or otherwise) AND has a lower gear ratio final drive, I would not recommend it. Our fours need to turn plenty of rpm to be efficient, otherwise you use more throttle more of the time at rpm levels which produce little power and torque. If your car IS producing significantly more power AND has a lower ratio final drive, I understand that it is a straight bolt-on to the M42. The 6-speed kit has its own driveshaft with a 6-bolt flange; our differentials are 4-bolt. I think Bimmerworld will modify your current driveshaft for length for around $150. I don't know of any other necessary modifications, nothing electrical that I know of. Of course, the transmission itself weighs 35 lbs more than the stock transmission, and pushing more weight down the road is always less efficient. You could switch to a taller final drive ratio, but you'll run into the same problems as with a 6-speed. The gear ratios won't be well-matched to the engine, and acceleration will suffer. There's a lot more in there, but that should give you an idea. It seems like there is the potential to spend a lot of money here for very little payoff. That's just my opinion. Hope all this helps. | | | 03-21-2007, 04:43 PM | #11 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 | I belive his Ti is DASC'd per his sig. Isn't there a site to calc the rpms per gear/diff? I wonder if going to a 3.15 or 3.23 diff would help w/o messing up the power availability? __________________ My Former Rides 1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies 1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition | | | 03-21-2007, 04:49 PM | #12 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,525 | I think you want to go the other way... Club race cars with 6 speeds use diffs in the 3.6x to 4.2x range depending on where they want their top speed and shift points. | | | 03-21-2007, 07:01 PM | #13 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Halethorpe, MD Posts: 1,028 | My grasp of this stuff is pretty loose, but I imagine you would need to figure out the relationship between the stock gearbox ratios and the stock rear end. From there you could take the 6 speed ratios and determine what the rear end ratio should be. Does that make sense? There's a strong possibility that it would be difficult to come up with a combination that would be comfortable for daily use. As mentioned above the DASC should help with that. I would probably call Zionsville and ask them what they think. Another piece of information you may want to have is the diff ratios for the 6 cylinder E36 models. | | | 03-21-2007, 07:34 PM | #14 | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 3,244 | Quote: Originally Posted by mohaughn I think you want to go the other way... Club race cars with 6 speeds use diffs in the 3.6x to 4.2x range depending on where they want their top speed and shift points. | Again, his goal was to reduce RPMs at highway speed. He does not say anything about Club race cars, etc. What is the stock diff ratio on an e36 M3? 3.23? Automatics come with 4.10 diffs IIRC. __________________ My Former Rides 1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies 1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition | | | 03-21-2007, 07:52 PM | #15 | Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Port St. Johns, Florida Posts: 2,242 | 6spd w. 3.73LS(E30 easy find) would be a good combo. | | | | | Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |