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Old 06-29-2019, 04:24 PM   #31
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Right now on YouTube there is a E30 on Boost with stock internals reaching 316 horsepower 280 ft lb of torque on stock internals it's called the everything guy E30
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Old 06-29-2019, 04:26 PM   #32
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Old 06-29-2019, 11:48 PM   #33
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Im in, whatever I can do to help. Im sure we can work something out.

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Alright, lets be in touch and I will have it sent your way towards the end of July.

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You've got me tossing up whether to take you up on the offer of testing for you vs my original TC plan

My biggest issue is SC sizing. Ideally I want to run around 350rwhp but with the possibility of turning the wick up to some where around 450rwhp even for just a short time. I will be running an IC, and any other mods needed to support the power.
Well, I kinda was going to say what bimmernut was saying, I mean to get the M44/M42 anywhere near 400HP would be a milestone built. Some will say you will need 30PSI, I would say 20-25PSI from a M122H would do it, since we are working with a motor that makes maybe sub 150HPat the crank. Now 450rwhp is more so asking 500 at the crank. Depends how deep you want to go into building that motor, know you can stroke it to 2.1L or so but even then, I dont know, for that kind of power you may be better off going with a 6 cylinder swap. The only setup that could do that would be capable of those levels is the M122H. We could work something out if you really wanted. I can adapt the M122H KC Discharge pan, to fit the current gen Eaton MOAB Brackets, but it will be sticking out of the hood a good few inches for sure. Also comes down to what you spend, I mean if you can do the work yourself, maybe a few grand and a lot of work will get you going with the TC setup. Totally your call.


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thenjnick - M42 with Eaton M62 Build
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I myself got an M44 here I will be testing on, I will do the M45 & AMR500. Unless anyone else wants to go into testing, Lets call it.
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Old 06-30-2019, 12:31 AM   #34
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Unfortunately for us guys with an eye on FI the M44 has been engineered for N/A performance and can't really handle much boost stock. From the research I've done so far the consensus seems to be 6-7 psi max, much more can lead to various failures pretty rapidly. The M42 is slightly better off as it has a forged crank but again to run more boost you'll still need to lower compression initially and then build the engine from there.

If you've never come across Metric Mechanic before, I'd highly recommend checking these guys out. They really know how to build an M42/44 and are pretty open with what they do

http://metricmechanic.com/wp-content...ne-Booklet.pdf
I ran 10psi and 125hp shot of nitrous on my stock 168k engine for 2 years, 160lbs of nitrous through it in that time. It's currently on a stand as a emergency spare if I blow one of my built motors
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I ran 10psi and 125hp shot of nitrous on my stock 168k engine for 2 years, 160lbs of nitrous through it in that time. It's currently on a stand as a emergency spare if I blow one of my built motors
Very interesting, so at 10PSI, what did your tune look like? certainly larger injectors were dialed in? What size? Was it a M44 or M42? Some more info helps us all in the long run with these motors.
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Old 06-30-2019, 12:51 AM   #36
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Yes larger 42lb injectors on that setup and I was running a modified tune for the DASC. It's an m44 in a 97ti tuned the ecu for 10 psi and soft on the ignition table to account for the nitrous, then turned the nitrous with the jetting. It wasn't the best way to do it but was working with what I had at the time. I don't know if anyone has actually found the limits of the m44 or maybe didn't want to try. Well, I'm slowly working on it with my new build, it's the same supercharger setup with a turbo to compound boost, and eventually bring back the nitrous. There's a thread on here about the build. I've briefly did some street tuning at 30psi but had 2 1600cc injectors stick open and flooded it out. So for now I'm back on the 1200cc and 24psi
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Old 06-30-2019, 12:59 AM   #37
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Are you tuning these yourself? Stock ECU bench flashed? The biggest limiting factor seems to be the tune on most of the setups. That and the fact the 4 Cylinder motors dont get enough love and attention they deserve as you too notice. I like them very much. they are nice little guys.

Maybe if we ever do a M122H setup on a 4 Cylinder, you could try it out since you are into High HP. that thing by itself will put out more than what the current setup combined does.
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Old 06-30-2019, 01:30 AM   #38
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Yes, I've been self teaching for a while only recently been taking classes for tuning. Originally I was using a stock ecu and flashing it, then I found a piggyback unit that I could use to add some features, but ultimately I went with a haltech elite 1500. When I start playing around with the e85 or e90 fuels I can really start to turn it up. I rolling anti lag launched it on the highway at 60mph in 3rd last week and it spun the 305 tires. Working on a functional rear diffuser for it now cause it was sketchy.
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Old 06-30-2019, 01:58 AM   #39
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So is your a M42 or M44? I think the piggy back will only work with the M42, not M44. What were you using to data logg? post some more info, I am sure some will find it useful including myself. I wonder if you could be of help some of us guys here to get some base maps started. Most will use the stock ecu as you know.
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Old 06-30-2019, 02:23 AM   #40
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Both of my ti's are m44. I used the det 3 from ECU masters. They didn't have a diagram for the m44 but I had it wired in to crank, cam, maf, vehicle speed, and the output from a AEM wideband afr gauge. I could only modify the timing about 5 to 7 degrees without setting a dtc but I could completely modify the maf signal witch I stepped up to a 4.8is x5 maf housing with the OEM sensor in it I think it is about a 3.5 to 4in housing. It also allowed me to add a launch control/2 step on it, but it would throw cam plausibly codes if used. But since I already had s supercharger tune in the ecu it worked for me to make more fine adjustments on the fly, and it also had a data log feature and street dyno feature so you could get an idea of improvements. I was fairly impressed for what it could do, but I am really liking the haltech elite with it being obd2 complaint. I can set all the same failsafes of the original system and more it throws p codes and can be read by a normal scanner. I can also plug a bluetooth adapter into the obd2 port and use my phone on a mount for additional gauges while I'm street tuning.
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Ahh, I'm remembering now. I was using the maf size to compensate for stepping up the injectors without refreshing the ecu. When I'd hit 5 volts on the maf signal I'd step up the maf diameter and injector size to compensate for each other.
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Ahh, I'm remembering now. I was using the maf size to compensate for stepping up the injectors without refreshing the ecu. When I'd hit 5 volts on the maf signal I'd step up the maf diameter and injector size to compensate for each other.
I wonder if some of these guys could turn to you for help with some base maps for 5-10PSI's on the stock ecu? That would help a lot to have larger injectors going in, a larger maf and then the blower, seems better than just relying on the old school fuel pressure regulator. And down the line I could always help you setup a really big SC setup (I am talking the GT500 SC on the M44)

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Old 06-30-2019, 03:40 AM   #43
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I do have 2 of these cars my daily has a Metric mechanic fi m44 with the Dasc running the "15"psi pulley( more like 12 up to 5k then it will creep to 15after that till 7500rpm). I've been drifting it lately and been thinking it needs a bit more. I didn't put this one together, I bought it with that engine and setup in it off this board. Only thing I changed was cat delete and long tube headers. I'll probably keep working through the compound setup on the other car, mainly because I've come this far already and it's also kinda fun watching reactions when asked what's done to it and I say everything. It also make some pretty cool sounds.
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I ran 10psi and 125hp shot of nitrous on my stock 168k engine for 2 years, 160lbs of nitrous through it in that time. It's currently on a stand as a emergency spare if I blow one of my built motors
Did you do any mods at all to the engine (colder plugs/head studs/etc)? I'd also be intrigued to see the state of the main bearings and exhaust valves if you ever decide to strip it. Also you suggest you were running relatively conservative tunes, this and driving style seems to be the key to keeping the stock motor alive.
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