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Old 06-19-2014, 11:16 PM   #31
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I don't know if there are more than two styles, but I do know there is one with a Allen wrench manual crank (two way direction) and a threaded motor (close crank only). I have a threaded now. There are some pics of the gears in one of the threads here. (can't search too effectively on my phone). I have read that swapping the position of the two drive gears have helped some folks. It looked like a plastic/nylon composite gear from what I recall.


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ah. ok.. I've got the Allen wrench one. Lets see if we could gather som pictures and compare
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Old 06-20-2014, 02:38 PM   #33
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ah. ok.. I've got the Allen wrench one. Lets see if we could gather som pictures and compare
http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=39136

Check this post for pictures. It looks to be an allen type motor. I'll pull mine, disassemble it and compare. It doesn't describe the type of plastic, but I bet it the same type of plastic that is used in the E28/E30 electric antenna gearing. I may have a spare gear in the garage for repairing those.
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Old 06-22-2014, 08:36 PM   #34
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Thats the Allen one, just like mine.

Another question. I the files section there are three files about the cali-top. I would like to get to those but i dont seem to have the right access. any idea what to do?
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:48 AM   #35
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I'll help you get them
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That would be great. Thanks alot
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Just to be clear, which files are you wanting? Thanks!
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I actually was able to download them myself today. It was the TIS-CALI-HELP.pdf files.

Are there any more? regarding the Cali-Top?

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Not that I've seen thus far. Glad you were able to get them.
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I must ask; have you ever had the roof of the frame?

In the frame there are wires with attached wheels that drives the roof back. These "wheels" has grooves on them one upper and one lower. Which groove should the roof be mounted in?
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I must ask; have you ever had the roof of the frame?

In the frame there are wires with attached wheels that drives the roof back. These "wheels" has grooves on them one upper and one lower. Which groove should the roof be mounted in?
I have a spare 98 roof I just acquired, still in the box and can pull it out to see what I can see at this point. I''ve only had the car for a month and
am awaiting delivery of a new motor to enable the in-car roof to properly operate. I've not had much time to investigate the roof mechanics yet.

Perhaps others who have actually serviced or repaired their roof can comment.

I've been wondering who the actual original manufacturer of the motors is to see if we can source the gears from them. I just need a little time to research them in parallel to the action you are suggesting. I think that is a long shot at this point tho...

I look forward to helping a longer term fix for our motor issues. Cheers,
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I must ask; have you ever had the roof of the frame?

In the frame there are wires with attached wheels that drives the roof back. These "wheels" has grooves on them one upper and one lower. Which groove should the roof be mounted in?
Sorry, just seeing this now. I have the roof off of the car, but not off the frame.

I do have both type of motors now. A threaded and a Hex Key motor. They look identical inside and outside on one of my threaded motors as far as I can see. A second threaded motor has a different wiring pigtail that looks to have a switch connector in the harness. The original for my car had the power only leads. Both of my threaded motors work with intact gears. The allen motor has teeth missing causing a jerky opening and closing motion. (James and Michael, you were spot on...)


So, I believe I have a broken top on the car now with an intact, working motor and a 98 top off the car that is fully functional. Easy fix for now, I'll figure out how the switches differ and which one I'd prefer to use.

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Is it possible for you to check the mounting on the top (without breaking it apart)?

There are two grooves (the red and the green on the picture). Should the roof be mounted in the upper or lower groove?
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Is it possible for you to check the mounting on the top (without breaking it apart)?

There are two grooves (the red and the green on the picture). Should the roof be mounted in the upper or lower groove?
I'll try, I havn't taken the top or frame apart yet. What did you have to remove to se the wheels? I'll look in the morning as I am about to go to bed. I'm happy to help you where I can.
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well.. Maybe you can see it if the roof is open and you look from inside the roof...Mine was already taken apart so for this picture you can see the wheel if you remove the plastic on the left or the right front corner.

Take you time. Sleep tight
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