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bmwconnect 03-22-2011 12:40 AM

Midnight Tuning Solutions OBD1 DIY BMW Live Tuning Kit
 
No more chips!! tune your own stock DME/ECU with full control and live map tracing. Upload a infinity amount of tunes and writing to the emulator is also unlimited

The Midnight DIY KIT is a versatile performance device that can evolve with your car as it changes over time. No longer will you be stuck with generic off the shelf software, you'll have the power to customize your tune to suit YOUR specific vehicle. The Midnight DIY KIT is more than just a performance chip.

No longer are you stuck with a tune that isn't meant for you specific application. Instead of buying a suitable performance chip every time you update the configuration of your car infinitely. You can modify the tune yourself with the free editing software, The Midnight DIY package gives you flexibility that is impossible with traditional chips.

With the Midnight DIY KIT being infinitely writable, you can perfect the tune of your engine and make the most power possible. Generic software works, but it is designed for a wide range of cars. Lets face it, these older cars vary in condition and some will naturally perform better than others. Generic tunes have to be safe for all consumers and that means that you could potentially have more hidden horsepower! Midnight DIY KIT and free editing software allows you to fine tune the stock DME/ECU all day long.

The Midnight DIY package provides control and flexibility once designated to stand alone ECU's only. Many people convert to stand alone systems or use piggy backs for the lack of control they have over their factory ECU. The Midnight DIY KIT puts that control and flexibility in the palm of your hand. With the Midnight DIY KIT, you have full control over fuel and spark for all driving conditions, idle, part throttle and wide open throttle a. You can set your idle speeds, rev limits, O2 sensor control and so much more. The Midnight DIY KIT lets you use your stock ECU, saving you time and money.

Share your tunes with other Midnight DIY KIT users! Thats right, if you have made a custom version of a tune for you specific application, you can share that with other Midnight DIY KIT users who might have a very similar set up.

Includes


Ostrich 2 CHIP Emulator Head
All necessary cables
All necessary free software (tuner pro RT)
Midnight Tuning Solutions Encrypted Extensible Data Format file ***The good stuff!!***

Please have your BOSCH DME COVER LABEL ready so we can determine if you qualify for use of this product
Inquire at midnight-tuning@rogers.com

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ckage_edit.jpg

DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY

Midnight Tuning Solutions. (hereafter SELLER) shall in no way be responsible
for the product's proper use and service. THE BUYER HEREBY WAIVES ALL LIABILITY CLAIMS.

The BUYER acknowledges that he/she is not relying on the SELLER's skill or judgment to select or furnish tunes
suitable for any particular purpose and that there are no liabilities which extend beyond the description on the face
hereof and the BUYER hereby waives all remedies or liabilities, expressed or implied, arising by law or otherwise,
(including without any obligations of the SELLER with respect to fitness, merchantability and consequential damages)
or whether or not occasioned by the SELLER's negligence.

The BUYER is responsible to fully understand the capability and limitations of his/her vehicle according to
manufacturer specifications and agrees to hold the SELLER harmless from any damage resulting from failure to adhere
to such specifications.

The SELLER disclaims any warranty and expressly disclaims any liability for personal injury or damages. The
BUYER acknowledges and agrees that the disclaimer of any liability for personal injury is a material term for this
agreement and the BUYER agrees to indemnify the SELLER and to hold the SELLER harmless from any claim related
to the item of the equipment purchased. Under no circumstances will the SELLER be liable for any damages or
expenses by reason of use or sale of any such equipment.

The BUYER is responsible to obey all applicable federal, state/provincial and local laws, statutes, and ordinances when
operating his/her vehicle, and the BUYER agrees to hold SELLER harmless from any violation thereof.

The SELLER assumes no liability regarding the improper installation or misapplication of its products. It is the
installer's responsibility to check for proper installation and if in doubt, contact the manufacturer.

cooljess76 03-22-2011 12:59 AM

I heard the WAR chip was better:icon_poke

:lol:

bmwconnect 03-22-2011 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooljess76 (Post 295880)
I heard the WAR chip was better:icon_poke

:lol:

HAHA I auto win that debate with ease hehe

with my package you can control the whole stock DME/ECU not just a few maps,
competitions hardware/software setups only lets you touch a few maps when more control is needed for advanced setups

with my package you get map tracing in real time witch the competition does not offer at all and that is a big problem!

There has to be a dozen advantages to running the Midnight Tuning Solutions DIY system over the competition :)

I win! :)

dave45056 03-22-2011 01:14 AM

Can this also set the Disa Valve RPM?

xxxJohnBoyxxx 03-22-2011 01:21 AM

Nice unit. So this is what you have been working on in the basement?

bmwconnect 03-22-2011 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave45056 (Post 295883)
Can this also set the Disa Valve RPM?

Dave,

glad you brought this to my attention... I never thought of adding in this option , but yes you will be able to control this at a desired RPM

Also you will be able to control charcoal canister On/Off or by RPM

bmwconnect 03-22-2011 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxJohnBoyxxx (Post 295884)
Nice unit. So this is what you have been working on in the basement?


Thanks john the unit is nothing special. the real magic is in the midnight authored encrypted .XDF file that is supplied witch will give you full control!

yes I love watching code porn in the basement ;)

Marv17 03-22-2011 06:14 AM

sucks there's nothing for oBD-II :(

bmwconnect 03-22-2011 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marv17 (Post 295918)
sucks there's nothing for oBD-II :(

switch your harness to OBD1 ...it's a simple job if you can find the OBD1 harness with the BOSCH 413 computer;)

slow_ti 03-22-2011 01:45 PM

Again, no love for us m44's or OBDII !!! lol


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familytruckster 03-22-2011 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwconnect (Post 295922)
switch your harness to OBD1 ...it's a simple job if you can find the OBD1 harness with the BOSCH 413 computer;)

And then our cars can't pass emissions, therefore illegal to drive on the roads.

bmwconnect 03-22-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by familytruckster (Post 295946)
And then our cars can't pass emissions, therefore illegal to drive on the roads.

Where I live, there is emissions testing and one of the most strict in Canada, equivalent to California rules... that doesn't stop anybody here ;)

mohaughn 03-22-2011 05:57 PM

Isn't that just a Moates Ostrich 2 with a generic cover on it?
Quote:

Where I live, there is emissions testing and one of the most strict in Canada, equivalent to California rules... that doesn't stop anybody here
In the US emissions testing is commonly done by both exhaust sniffer test, and proper OBDII function. Since your OBDII port will be rendered useless if you switch to an OBDI ECU, you will fail the test because they will never be able to see if the car is in ready mode. Many shops will not even do the sniffer test if they can't get the OBDII system to read ready.

bmwconnect 03-22-2011 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=mohaughn;295959]
Quote:

Isn't that just a Moates Ostrich 2 with a generic cover on it?
I'm not selling the hardware as anything new... I am selling the compliant professionally made encrypted XDF(nobody can rip my work off) file that will give you full control of the ECU and it is more convenient for people to buy it as a whole package and that is what I am offering :)... This package can do 10xmore then then war chip

Quote:

In the US emissions testing is commonly done by both exhaust sniffer test, and proper OBDII function. Since your OBDII port will be rendered useless if you switch to an OBDI ECU, you will fail the test because they will never be able to see if the car is in ready mode. Many shops will not even do the sniffer test if they can't get the OBDII system to read ready
.

They also do this here, but I'm not sure how they get around it here

xxxJohnBoyxxx 03-22-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mohaughn (Post 295959)
Isn't that just a Moates Ostrich 2 with a generic cover on it? In the US emissions testing is commonly done by both exhaust sniffer test, and proper OBDII function. Since your OBDII port will be rendered useless if you switch to an OBDI ECU, you will fail the test because they will never be able to see if the car is in ready mode. Many shops will not even do the sniffer test if they can't get the OBDII system to read ready.

They do no testing in Florida where you and I live so why do you even care? Do you have some kind of motive here?

Thanks, John S

pdxmotorhead 03-23-2011 08:07 AM

Oregon has gone to the straight plug in test via the OBDII port, they do a quick visual under the car and a smoke test.

Luckily I have a 95... Mwahahahaha

Dave

bmwconnect 03-23-2011 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead (Post 296017)
Oregon has gone to the straight plug in test via the OBDII port, they do a quick visual under the car and a smoke test.

Luckily I have a 95... Mwahahahaha

Dave

hehe

mohaughn 03-23-2011 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxJohnBoyxxx (Post 295970)
They do no testing in Florida where you and I live so why do you even care? Do you have some kind of motive here?

Thanks, John S

I'm not even sure what that means.. The ostrich is a great little piece of equipment. Moates in general is great equipment for car related chip tuning, much better than other generic chip burners and emulators, and their shipping to Florida takes like two days.

Barrie, I would suggest that you should offer to burn a final tune for customers for a set cost. This way if they get a tune that they really like with the ostrich they can always opt to remove that from the car and just use a burnt chip. Although, I'm not sure how that affects the encryption you are doing.

bmwconnect 03-23-2011 05:31 PM

all right lets keep this from turning into a war .... take it to pm:wave:

this is my thread!! :biggrin:

mohaughn 03-23-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxJohnBoyxxx (Post 296046)
Please do not be "coy" with me. You know exactly what I pointed out to you. If you want to come in this thread and state the product will fail OBD-II emission in the US why don't you state that many states don't even test including your state? Hell it is a OBD-I emulator anyways. Also you bang Midnight for what hardware it is (no secrete) then come all nice on this post above.

I don't understand why you want to crap on a product when all people are trying to do is advance the DIY tuning of our 318's.

Again state your purpose and which tuner is all upset about this product?

Reguards, John S

Seems like you have issues with me that I'm not aware of. I think you need to go back and re-read the thread. I know this is an OBDI product. What I said would probably fail US emissions is putting a red label 413 DME into an OBDII car to convert it to OBDI. That really isn't what Barrie is selling here is it?

What does who may or may not be tuning my car have to do with anything?

In case there is any question, this was my only comment about the product Barrie posted-
Quote:

Isn't that just a Moates Ostrich 2 with a generic cover on it?
How is that derogatory or negative in any way? If anything, people knowing that it is an ostrich is a good thing, as they are tried/tested, and there is tons of information about them on the internet. Moates products rock, I bought a burn1 after my issues with the crappy PCB burner.

mohaughn 03-24-2011 03:05 AM

Drama, drama, drama.. maybe that is why I never responded to you.. You keep having fun with that...

Steve and other mods, maybe somebody needs to remind John how we treat other members around here.

tiFreak 03-24-2011 03:19 AM

not that I want to get involved or add to the arguement, this is what I saw:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marv17 (Post 295918)
sucks there's nothing for oBD-II :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwconnect (Post 295922)
switch your harness to OBD1 ...it's a simple job if you can find the OBD1 harness with the BOSCH 413 computer;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mohaughn (Post 295959)
In the US emissions testing is commonly done by both exhaust sniffer test, and proper OBDII function. Since your OBDII port will be rendered useless if you switch to an OBDI ECU, you will fail the test because they will never be able to see if the car is in ready mode. Many shops will not even do the sniffer test if they can't get the OBDII system to read ready.

Marv mentioned there being nothing for OBDII cars, Barrie suggested an OBDI conversion, and Mohaughn pointed out that an OBDI conversion is illegal in states that test emissions. To be honest I don't see anything in his posts bashing Barries product http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...lies/dunno.gif

Marv17 03-24-2011 04:33 AM

I guess i could go with the red label 413 DME with the OBD-I harness... but it'd have to do it after i do smog emissions in the future. :D

sry, if i started an argument.

Maybe, in the future there can be a skype verison for you to tune the ECU without having to ship it out. So that way you have real time tunning or something. Just an idea. I'm not aware what is or what is not possible to do tuning.

xxxJohnBoyxxx 03-24-2011 12:42 PM

No mods needed, all cleaned up as promissed.

mohaughn we spoke on the phone when you when you were having tuning issues and I offered to drive over plus send you a burning/reader, no drama when you needed my help. There are issues that have nothing to do with this thread. I guess we will never talk about it. Meh:rolleyes:

John Smith

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296251)
wtf wish i new about this a few years ago good my warchip .. http://www.hamotorsports.com/ostrich.html
man im so happy i just found a local shop that sells ostrich 2.0 for 175.00 and and will do a tune for 200 bucks ./www.dynospotracing.com/parts.html

Yes that is the unit, but it is useless without my encrypted XDF file ;)

Emulator = $175
.XDF(exposes the maps) = $174

good luck!

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296253)
its ok comes with tuner pro free software .

1. It doesn't come with Tuner pro, you download it from a separate site

2. You still need my .XDF to run tuner pro on your BMW

Without my .XDF file that tells the tunerpro software where the maps are, you are dead in the water ;)

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296255)
oh so are you ready or still working out the bugs .

my .XDF for the Bosch 282 DME is ready to go = $174.99

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296257)
so $350 + 174 or 350 total

If you buy as a kit you pay 349.99cn

If you buy the ostrich on your own its 174.99cn for my .XDF file

pdxmotorhead 03-25-2011 08:24 AM

Thats to start, if your going to dabble in tuning your engine youll need a good wideband, to monitor the engine as well as(If it were me) a pyrometer in the exhaust at each collector on the header. A cylinder head temp and oil temp gauge would not hurt either...

Dave

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead (Post 296259)
Thats to start, if your going to dabble in tuning your engine youll need a good wideband, to monitor the engine as well as(If it were me) a pyrometer in the exhaust at each collector on the header. A cylinder head temp and oil temp gauge would not hurt either...

Dave

+1 wide-band is a absolute for any setup witch requires changes in fuel delivery :)

pdxmotorhead 03-25-2011 08:28 AM

I always get scared when people have the ability to load tunes that others develop, and ASSUME they will just be perfect on every car... Not pointing at anyone just raising a common issue... :)

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 11:16 AM

Here is a picture of a very small portion of the RAW code inside the DME ( full file is 8000 lines)
A .XDF coded script simply takes this raw code you see in this photo and makes it read-able by the average person with no programing background. As you can imagine converting this to something readable by a average person is a time consuming head ache.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...607/tuner1.jpg

Here we have the encrypted .XDF in RAW code
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...07/encrypt.jpg

below is a result picture of one of my encrypted .XDF map packs transferred into software for the DME282_Chip#595 motronic version 1.7.2
It may look a little overwhelming, but really it's very simple to work with
Fuel related maps have a range from 0-255~max
0= no fuel / 255= max injector open time and everything between is tuning for a desired AFR
Spark maps are converted to deg BTDC witch is straight forward
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...r607/tuner.jpg

mohaughn 03-25-2011 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwconnect (Post 296268)
Here is a picture of a very small portion of the RAW code inside the DME ( full file is 8000 lines)
A .XDF coded script simply takes this raw code you see in this photo and makes it read-able by the average person with no programing background. As you can imagine converting this to something readable by a average person is a time consuming head ache.
below is a result picture of one of my encrypted .XDF map packs transferred into software for the DME282_Chip#595 motronic version 1.7.2
It may look a little overwhelming, but really it's very simple to work with
Fuel related maps have a range from 0-255~max
0= no fuel / 255= max injector open time and everything between is tuning for a desired AFR
Spark maps are converted to deg BTDC witch is straight forward

What resolution is the WOT mappings for the 1.7.2 motronic? I can't see the WOT map there to see how small of increments you can work with in terms of RPM range. Can DISA operation be tuned/adjusted? Also, how is EWS handled for later model year 95 cars with EWS? Does tunerpro handle any checksum corrections that are needed?

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296278)
that's sic but isnt that pro tuner software i just saw a u tube video of that set up and it looks the same as pro tune . dont i already have the file from u of 282 xdf that you sent me to start my car all i would need it to down load that and get pro tuner of the web for free then save 174.99 or am i missing something.

The software you load my .XDF into is called tuner pro... XDF's do not come with tuner pro, you have to author them yourself or find a guy to author them AKA myself

You need to load both a .bin file and .xdf into tunerpro or it wont work

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mohaughn (Post 296281)
What resolution is the WOT mappings for the 1.7.2 motronic? I can't see the WOT map there to see how small of increments you can work with in terms of RPM range. Can DISA operation be tuned/adjusted? Also, how is EWS handled for later model year 95 cars with EWS? Does tunerpro handle any checksum corrections that are needed?

resolutions for wide open is 1x474 and not based on rpm at all
yes disa operation can be adjusted, but you need to edit that code in raw hex until tuner pro comes out with some more advanced editing features
If the car has EWS then I send out my EWS delete .bin file
Yes it handles checksum and in the 1.7.2 case its multiple rage algorithms

mohaughn 03-25-2011 07:35 PM

I guess maybe I didn't ask the question the right way. LM2 data is AFR against RPM, if I have a lean or rich spot in a tune, say right when the disa valve opens, how small of RPM increments can be adjusted, even if the DME isn't using RPM in the equation, I would assume it has to be displayed in tunerpro against something that a user could correlate back to the LM2 data? I'm just not familiar enough with tunerpro or the software like WinOLS to know how the maps are displayed relative to AFR data.

bmwconnect 03-25-2011 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mohaughn (Post 296296)
I guess maybe I didn't ask the question the right way. LM2 data is AFR against RPM, if I have a lean or rich spot in a tune, say right when the disa valve opens, how small of RPM increments can be adjusted, even if the DME isn't using RPM in the equation, I would assume it has to be displayed in tunerpro against something that a user could correlate back to the LM2 data? I'm just not familiar enough with tunerpro or the software like WinOLS to know how the maps are displayed relative to AFR data.

Buy my XDF and all your questions will be answered ;)

bmwconnect 03-26-2011 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296362)
Hahahaha its good if you own a i6 as for the i4 there's no hope at least from my experience . i think they should not offer any tune's for the 318 until there 100 % sure it will work .vac motor sport's refunded my money for the 318 base map tune that wouldn't start my car !!! now i have to get my money back on the warchip.

It is not even good for the i6 ... You can't even trace the maps live to see what part of the map is being used ... good luck tuning any BMW with the war chip LOL

bmwconnect 03-26-2011 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296363)
what version of tunerpro comes with your kit i saw on the web page a tunerpro and for $39.00 pro rt also there are post from ppl that have posted xdf and i saw the 282 file for free also more bmw xdf hummmm im going to call them & get more info .......crap its silver tab means it has ews im ass out .

It comes with tunerpro RT and Midnight Tuning Solutions .XDF

Good luck tuning with the free .XDF public files ;) The person who made those BMW public XDFs didn't know what he was doing and simply copied and pasted maps thinking it was the same for every DME

There is a reason why my files are encrypted and why I am charging for the properly done .XDF file ;)

bmwconnect 03-26-2011 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowin 4 (Post 296367)
sounds like you now your ****... so how hard it it to down load all these files i been reading about ppl get al stuck half way threw tunerpro can i send you my laptop and you get it all set up so that i can some what get it running and have my new tuner dial it in .

I can set it up from you remotely

you just need to download a program called http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx its free


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