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View Poll Results: Who will be more successful at autocross
My son in his 2002 BMW 325ci 7 35.00%
Myself in my sons 1999 BMW 318ti 13 65.00%
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:30 AM   #1
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Hey everybody, nothing real exciting here but I have an interesting scenario/bet going on with my son (teen ti). For the first time my son and I will competing in the same autocross class, my son in his '02 325ci and myself (ironically) in my son's '99 318ti, both running in the street prepped class. For some extra info the 325ci has a 5spd and is completely stock other than a set of 18in ASA AR9 wheels with some very low profile tires, and the 318ti is a sport model with a 5spd, a cold air intake, storming exhaust and a set of 17in Kosei K1's. My son claims that he will beat me no problem with the 325ci, typical kid. However, unlike my son where I may lack in youth I have been doing autocrosses for the better part of 20 years and have attended numerous driving schools. My son has competed in about 4 autocross competitions, 2 driving schools and one road rally. My question for all of you is who do you think is going to prove to be more successful? And in case anyone is wondering, the bet is a months worth of gas, loser pays.

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Old 04-10-2012, 01:41 AM   #2
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oh father...
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:06 AM   #3
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If your son had no experience whatsoever my money would be on you hands down. However, it looks like he has a few rodeos under his belt as well and he has a faster car so it might be a good contest. The trick will be keeping his youthful exuberance under control and not overdriving the car. Remember TeenTi smooth is fast. Joe, As a dad of an 18 year old son I wish you luck cause they don't win as gracefully as we do, seems they like to to tell everyone and not let you forget it. Good luck to both of you.
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And in case anyone is wondering, the bet is a months worth of gas, loser pays.
Beat the crap out of him.
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Beat the crap out of him.
Haha we'll see, I think my dad will be a little cautious about how hard he pushes my car, he's not gonna wanna pay to fix anything he might damage
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This is awesome!
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Money is on dad but ok rootin for the teen as I just turned 17 not too long ago. Come on youth class lets show the old farts how capable we are.
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i dunno how much of a factor this will be but theres very little tread on the tires on my ci, so I'm gonna be giving them quite the punishment since they're at the end of their life
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Dad has the better car for an autocross.

I autocross an 00 323 wagon. It has tons of mods, coil overs, corner balanced, urethane and delrin everything, intake, pulleys, software, 355mm BBK, 19 inch lightweight OZ wheels with 300 treadware tires... etc. I happen to run in the same class as a ti owner on this list. His car is virtually stock... I think his only mods are stickier tires (100 something treadware), H&R's, Bilsteins, a limited slip, and he regularly beats me.

There is really not a lot of difference between an E46 323 and 325. As a point of reference I am generally 3-4 seconds faster than any stockish non-M 3 series that shows up on street tires.

Not knowing the skill level of either driver, dad should win easily. If you really want to see who is faster co-drive the same car, either way let us know how it turns out.
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Dad has the better car for an autocross. Not knowing the skill level of either driver, dad should win easily.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The 325ci in my opinion, having driven both cars, has a better suspension than the 318ti and coupled with the fact that its got a better power to weight ratio and a 0-60 time thats almost 2 seconds faster than the 318ti, I would have to say my son definitely has the better car for the autocross. It might not be a huge advantage but i definitely think either of us would be faster in the 325ci as opposed to the 318ti. I really believe its going to come down to our skills as drivers to see who will be faster.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. The 325ci in my opinion, having driven both cars, has a better suspension than the 318ti and coupled with the fact that its got a better power to weight ratio and a 0-60 time thats almost 2 seconds faster than the 318ti, I would have to say my son definitely has the better car for the autocross. It might not be a huge advantage but i definitely think either of us would be faster in the 325ci as opposed to the 318ti. I really believe its going to come down to our skills as drivers to see who will be faster.
I am quite sure about it, I have seen it play out dozens of times! 0-60 times mean little at an autocross. Having a shorter wheel base and a 400 lbs weight advantage does mean something. The tighter the course the farther ahead the ti will be.
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i'd have to vote for father. much more driving skill and experience.
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I am quite sure about it, I have seen it play out dozens of times! 0-60 times mean little at an autocross. Having a shorter wheel base and a 400 lbs weight advantage does mean something. The tighter the course the farther ahead the ti will be.
The wheel base on the 325ci is only 1 inch longer than the 318ti, 107.3in vs 106.3in, and when each of us in the car the ti will only have about a 250lb weight advantage one the ci (my son is a twig, he might weigh 140, I weigh about 215) and ill be running the ti on a bit more gas than my son will be on the ci if i know him well enough. I just don't see how thats going to be enough of an advantage to make up for the differences in the suspension and power. Also, the courses that we run are generally on the longer side. But who knows, its definitely going to be a good competition between the two of us.
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The wheel base on the 325ci is only 1 inch longer than the 318ti, 107.3in vs 106.3in, and when each of us in the car the ti will only have about a 250lb weight advantage one the ci (my son is a twig, he might weigh 140, I weigh about 215) and ill be running the ti on a bit more gas than my son will be on the ci if i know him well enough. I just don't see how thats going to be enough of an advantage to make up for the differences in the suspension and power. Also, the courses that we run are generally on the longer side. But who knows, its definitely going to be a good competition between the two of us.
For sure. I will be interested to see how it turns out.
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If anyone is interested we'll be running this competition at Watkins Glen International with the GVC-BMWCCA and the Niagra PCA on June 26/27. While we might have the bet going my goal for the day is to beat at least a few old guys having their midlife crisis in a jumped up VW Beetle (Porsches). I'll admit that i don't have nearly the same skills as my father but I'm not just another teenage kid in a nice car. I've had my fair share of performance driving and can generally keep up with guys running 300HP Mustangs at the track with my 325ci just because of my ability to corner better.
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