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what you be best a
2-way speaker
or
1-way crossover speakers
and
what is the biggest size speaker i can fit in the rear. |  |  | | 05-16-2005, 08:54 PM | #2 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: madison, WI Posts: 402 |
Quote: | Originally Posted by mischief what you be best a
2-way speaker
or
1-way crossover speakers
and
what is the biggest size speaker i can fit in the rear. | the rears are 5 1/4, I have 2-ways in the rear and 6.5 components up front and I have it faded to the front and it sounds great. the sound guy said that even in his own car he has stock rear speakers and the sound is generally better when its louder up front. __________________ Mods: clear turn signals, Silverstar headlight bulbs, k&N custom CAI, removed A/C, lightened crank pulley, painted brakes, custom clutch stop, custom strut bar, x-brace, custom solid tranny mounts, Memphis sound system, Sachs sport clutch, B&M short shifter, lightened flywheel, redline MTL ....
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http://members.cardomain.com/mghockey | | | | | 05-16-2005, 09:47 PM | #3 | | aka Stabby Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mead, CO Posts: 5,336 |
well, if you want the image to be coming from the front, the fronts would need to be louder. i've never heard car audio get anywhere close to listening in the home (the acoustic space is way too messed up). this is why audio will be one of the last things i do to my car. i'd rather put money into my home audio setup first since the environment is more "audio friendly." i can certainly understand those who mod their car though. it WILL sound a lot better than stock and if you spend a significant amount of time in the car like many of us do, it's worth the cost to have better sound. i was contemplating adding more sound deadening material to mine when/if i get to it just to reduce road noise. the cali top adds a significant amount of noise though. <sigh> too much to spend money on ...
i believe my rears have separate tweets so you could certainly go with components back there if yours does too. as m44ic pointed out, the fronts will be more critical. pretty much as he and his sound man said, you just don't want the rears to detract from the fronts and mess up the sound/imaging (if there is such a thing in a car). i'd like to move the tweets up front into the triangular area opposite the outside rearview mirrors and then aim them at the opposite side to attempt to balance out the highs (left is aimed at passenger so less direct to the driver's left ear and right is aimed at the driver so it's more direct to the driver's right ear). how do you have it config'd m44ic? what locations did you use for the 6.5 components up front? __________________ 1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray
acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts
2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel | | | | | 05-17-2005, 02:00 AM | #4 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: madison, WI Posts: 402 |
up front I have the 6.5 woofer in the stock location by your feet and then my car came with the premium sound package so it had two tweeters in each of the doors but the ones that came with my components I mounted in the top tweeter space which is near the top of the door panal but I am going to move them to the middle because those beehoches are loud. when I pulled out the rears they were weird they were all in the same plastic housing but the woofer and tweeter were seperate. But as far as my setup goes it sounds amazing (it better for 3k) the sound clarity and definition are great with the components. recommendations, I dont know if you already have front speakers but Focals components are amazing(and expensive) and boston acoustics are good too, I went with Memphis all around because they sound great and they bump, with just my front components on a 75x2 RMS amp and the rears off the headunit when people get in they ask what kind of sub I have and I say, I dont, yet. Another thing about memphis is they are impossible to blow, the guy were I bought it all at said he has gotten his components and woofers to smoke but he has never been able to blow them, even in SPL competitions. If you want to take a look at my setup you can look at it on my cardomain link below.
BTW, mischief your car is a beast __________________ Mods: clear turn signals, Silverstar headlight bulbs, k&N custom CAI, removed A/C, lightened crank pulley, painted brakes, custom clutch stop, custom strut bar, x-brace, custom solid tranny mounts, Memphis sound system, Sachs sport clutch, B&M short shifter, lightened flywheel, redline MTL ....
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http://members.cardomain.com/mghockey | | | | | 05-17-2005, 03:28 AM | #6 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: madison, WI Posts: 402 |
Quote: | Originally Posted by mischief | RMS stands for, roots mean square. which basically means continous watts per channel, RMS is used to measure the wattage of car audio electronics, but most headunits are measured at peak wattage which doesnt make any sense to me but thats a hole other story. So for instance my 75x2 RMS watt amp makes that power continuously but usually makes double what the RMS wattage is at peak power. and yes you can hook an amp up to 6.5 component speakers if, you your components are beastly and draw a lot of power. for instance my memphis 6.5 components are rated at 300watts RMS total, and my headunit is 200watts at peak power, to get the full potential out of the components requires more power which is why I have them amped, if I were to just hook them up to the headunit they would just sound like any other speaker and I would be pissed that I spent $300 on them. __________________ Mods: clear turn signals, Silverstar headlight bulbs, k&N custom CAI, removed A/C, lightened crank pulley, painted brakes, custom clutch stop, custom strut bar, x-brace, custom solid tranny mounts, Memphis sound system, Sachs sport clutch, B&M short shifter, lightened flywheel, redline MTL ....
Emberrassing honda owners one drive at a time
http://members.cardomain.com/mghockey | | | | | 05-17-2005, 03:39 AM | #7 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 678 |
I think improving the sound in your car/my car is very important, especially when stuck in traffic, alot of time gets spent there.
As to the speaker size... I have (had) the 10 speaker component setup which is fairly common. The rear woofers are 4" and the tweekers are 1". The woofers have a strange twist lock bracket to hold them in at an angle. I dont know if something straight from Crutchfield's catalog would fit right away.
As to sound imaging, a car isnt gonna be perfect but if you move the balances to where your biggest power is, and do so proportionally, it should sound fine. __________________
BostonGreen 97' w/ DASC & Technique Stage 1 software
M3 front bumper. BavAuto Springs. Bilstein Sport Shocks. Xbrace. BA Short Shifter.
Angel Eyes Headlights, doubled brake lights
225/50/16's Yokohama Advan S4's
Panasonic 70Wx4 CD/MP3 player + 4x Alpine 6x9's rear | | | | | 05-18-2005, 03:38 AM | #8 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MD/VA/DC Posts: 834 |
Quote: | Originally Posted by m44ic RMS stands for, roots mean square. which basically means continous watts per channel, RMS is used to measure the wattage of car audio electronics, but most headunits are measured at peak wattage which doesnt make any sense to me but thats a hole other story. So for instance my 75x2 RMS watt amp makes that power continuously but usually makes double what the RMS wattage is at peak power. and yes you can hook an amp up to 6.5 component speakers if, you your components are beastly and draw a lot of power. for instance my memphis 6.5 components are rated at 300watts RMS total, and my headunit is 200watts at peak power, to get the full potential out of the components requires more power which is why I have them amped, if I were to just hook them up to the headunit they would just sound like any other speaker and I would be pissed that I spent $300 on them. | is this what you have in your car http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...775325052&rd=1 | | | | | 05-18-2005, 03:43 AM | #9 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: madison, WI Posts: 402 |
Quote: | Originally Posted by mischief | yup thats what I have, you wont be dissapointed, they pound __________________ Mods: clear turn signals, Silverstar headlight bulbs, k&N custom CAI, removed A/C, lightened crank pulley, painted brakes, custom clutch stop, custom strut bar, x-brace, custom solid tranny mounts, Memphis sound system, Sachs sport clutch, B&M short shifter, lightened flywheel, redline MTL ....
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http://members.cardomain.com/mghockey | | | | | 05-18-2005, 04:09 AM | #10 | | aka Stabby Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mead, CO Posts: 5,336 |
Quote: | Originally Posted by 2ndBimmer As to sound imaging, a car isnt gonna be perfect but if you move the balances to where your biggest power is, and do so proportionally, it should sound fine. | exactly ... "fine" ... nowhere near as good as my home hi-fi. with the size of the new mac mini, i was contemplating installing one with a small lcd so that i could use itunes to output to an amp ... use wireless network to sync up with my itunes database when i pull into the garage ... besides watching dvds. there are projects underway to provide easier interfaces into all that, would be sweet  i've still got an older full class a soundstream amp that i would like to utilize ... wish i could find another one actually ... __________________ 1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray
acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts
2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel | | | | | 05-19-2005, 01:00 AM | #12 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: madison, WI Posts: 402 |
Quote: | Originally Posted by mischief | ok I went and found the box for my components and 300watts is max power and 50watts RMS per component(woofer and tweeter) so together they are like 100watts RMS, The amp I use to power mine is the memphis M-class 75X2 RMS watts 2-channel amp. __________________ Mods: clear turn signals, Silverstar headlight bulbs, k&N custom CAI, removed A/C, lightened crank pulley, painted brakes, custom clutch stop, custom strut bar, x-brace, custom solid tranny mounts, Memphis sound system, Sachs sport clutch, B&M short shifter, lightened flywheel, redline MTL ....
Emberrassing honda owners one drive at a time
http://members.cardomain.com/mghockey | | | | | 12-19-2005, 10:32 AM | #13 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MD/VA/DC Posts: 834 |
dose a lower Sensitivity mean better bass | | | | | 12-19-2005, 04:23 PM | #14 | | aka Stabby Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mead, CO Posts: 5,336 |
lower sensitivity means more power to get the same db of volume. __________________ 1996 318ti, California package, 267k miles
current mods: bilstein sports, bavauto springs, e30 m3 LCABs, solid metal ball joints, bavauto RSMs w/reinforcements, e30 3.73 LSD & halfshafts, supersprint cat-back exhaust, turner rear sway bar reinforcements, IE poly subframe & RTABs + camber/toe kits, powdercoated e36 32x front calipers, sport mirrors, H&R 28mmF/19mmR sway bars, x-brace, auto solutions SSK w/poly bushing upgrade, BMW CD43 head unit, DICE HD Radio w/iPod integration and "stealth" HD antenna, staggered style 68s, orange electronic TPMS, leather arm rest, JT Designs metal undertray
acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts
2002 X5 4.4 Sport Package, 53.5k miles
Current Mods: e46 m3 steering wheel | | | | | 12-21-2005, 07:35 AM | #15 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MD/VA/DC Posts: 834 |
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